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SESSLER'S SOMETHING Nintendo Skipping Their E3 Press Conference
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What in the hell is your point? Cause I'm not getting you.
Calamari41
41 > 38
You did. Look at your own post, #1795, in this very thread. I asked what would get you to buy two potentially $500 systems, and your reply was "Third party games. I don't need to see them first, I know they'll be there." The implication there is that you will buy the two systems sight-unseen because you know there will be third party games on them. My question then is which games that you can't get on PC are you talking about?
That's simple. Sessler even mentions it in the video. It's an insular marketing program designed to appeal specifically to a dedicated fanbase.
It's a textbook example of preaching to the choir.
That makes no sense. They've still rented the Nokia Theater. Place costs a ton of money, and Nintendo isn't the company that hires actors or popstars for their events either way, so at the end of the day, what they're doing this year is probably not cheaper than what they did in recent years. It's just different.
Carpe Diem
Banned
Third Party matters VERY much, but which would get you to purchase a PS4 over a well developed Nintendo First or Second Party title of which there are many.
I said I don't need any justification in buying a next-gen system. I have no intention in buying a Durango. The console is for exclusives, Infamous Second Son has potential, but hey third party games matter and sometimes ports are bad or nonexistent. And my PC won't last forever. I don't need to explain myself to you dude. I'm just going to do me, and love games. Going back and forth with you is tiring.
The Wii-U can call me when it's relevant and cheap.
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
Oh it makes sense if you've ever been involved in planning these conferences and how much man power and money and time it takes to do!!
Calamari41
41 > 38
"I can't think of an answer so buzz off, guy." Ok. Your whole schtick in this thread is that Nintendo needs to do something incredibly special to convert you. You've even gone as far as saying "I don't give a shit what increases their sales, I only care about what hypes me up." I was trying to get a feel for what gets you specifically to buy a console, since that is the only thing you talk about. If you don't want to go beyond that, then here's the deal: you stop repeating yourself, and I'll stop asking you to justify the shit you keep spouting. Deal?
Whatever floats your boat. You're not doing a very good job of it so far. You've quit this thread in a rage saying you don't give a shit what anybody else has to say, what, three times now? This is especially funny now because I thought we were actually having a decent conversation about videogames.
Nah, how about I simply ignore you and do whatever I feel like?
Carpe Diem
Banned
Dude you alluded to in an earlier post of this generation consoles dragging on for too long. I simply asked if you are aware that this gen was to last ten years and if you knew who made these promises.
timetokill
Banned
Sounds more like they're preaching to the choir as well as dudes from another religion, and then those dudes from other religion come out and say, "did you hear what that preacher guy was saying? holy shit"
Who the fuck cares about promises? I'm not happy this gen has been dragging on this long at all. What are you trying to get me to say? You want me to blame Sony or Microsoft for trying to squeeze as much money as they can out of this cycle? I can't blame them.
Haven't yall learned your lesson when it comes to Daingurse
Ok, that's funny.
Well, you might need a price drop, but the system doesn't. Also, what will the PS4 and Xbox3 offer over current gen? The same shit you've played since 2005, now with better particle effects and raytraced reflections? That's what it actually boils down to I'm afraid. But we're on the same page in one regard: Software sells hardware. Consoles are no supercomputers, their computational performance is ultimately irrelevant.
Yes, please. Yum Yum. I appreciate it, don't give a fuck about what you like.
Knowing Nintendo, they will probably present the E3 news and game in a Nintendo Direct since they don't want the press to dilute the information getting to the consumers.
Carpe Diem
Banned
Not trying to get you to say or do anything other than use a little bit of reasoning bro.
Reasoning about what exactly? Still not understanding what point you're trying to make.
Calamari41
41 > 38
It's an act. That's the only possible explanation for what is happening with this guy.
Exterminieren
Banned
I seriously don't understand what you're trying to do in this thread.
I actually have some experience in event management. And I've watched Nintendo's E3 press conferences since 2005.
Hey stupid statements receive stupid responses. Besides I am GFX whore, so it's still true.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
Chaos obviously
Exterminieren
Banned
I'd believe you were this your first stupid comment in the thread.
Carpe Diem
Banned
Then it's pointless I guess. What I wanted, was for you or someone to explain why they believe Adam Sessler is right in regards to Nintendo being wrong in changing the way they make palpable their software and other products.
Haha, please. The delusional statements pervasive throughout this thread are filled with more stupidity than anything I've said. Which makes for some really deluded people.
I don't need to explain why he's right. Not only have many people in this thread mirrored my thoughts exactly, but Sessler's thoughts straight up stand up on their own. If you can't piece together my stance from my post history, tough luck. I have no obligation to explain myself to you or anyone else.
Carpe Diem
Banned
I'm a graphics whore as well, we all R inside.
Calamari41
41 > 38
If you're uninterested in explaining yourself, or in explaining the opinions of people who you (violently, angrily, vocally, and insultingly) agree with, then what is the point in continuing to post in this thread? State your opinion and move on.
"Anybody who disagrees with me is a deluded moron!"
"Why do you say that? What do you mean?"
"I ain't have to explain myself to you!"
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
I actually have some experience in event management. And I've watched Nintendo's E3 press conferences since 2005.
Oh i'm not trying to argue with you, but I can tell you, I have experience with these types of conventions
but i'm not just talking about this particular tactic, I mean all marketing/communications since the wii u launch scream to me budget allocation cuts. like I said, it could be a refocus on ROI, though, which ND approach definteinly delivers
I'd like to think that, but some people don't give any fucks about GFX. It's true.
Carpe Diem
Banned
Was just about to say the same thing. There's also an article up in the other thread giving Nintendo props for moving in another direction, so....
I'm not going to explain myself, because I already said what I have to say. I'm not going to repeat myself. If you genuinely care, look at my post history. If not, you didn't really care in the first place.
breakfuss
Member
Don't know why people are going so hard at @daingurse. Only seems he and others (myself included) want to see Nintendo do better, and that a move like this won't help. It's a matter of perspective, not trolling. Not only does the Wii U have zero momentum, folks don't even know it exists. At this point, all any of us are offering up is conjecture about what exactly they'll do at e3, but it sure as hell isn't reassuring when they unceremoniously announce they're scaling back and "steamlining". Euphemisms. I don't want another n64 or GameCube. I want them to dominate, or at the very least, COMPETE. Ironically, those saying that they're okay with the mediocrity (as long as they can get their fix of "smash") do Nintendo fandom the biggest disservice.
Carpe Diem
Banned
Dude I'm of the belief that nothing Nintendo does could please you.
Then you are very, very wrong. Aside from the ergonomics I enjoy my 3DS quite a bit. Why would I buy a Wii-U when I own a 3DS? It's overpriced and there's no games.I have zero incentive. It would be nice to actually WANT the console. I can't even
remember a console I cared less about than the Wii-U.
I should feel salty that I don't have a Wii-U, but I don't
Carpe Diem
Banned
It's not about being hard on the guy but more about why he believes Sessler is right in condemning Nintendo's new approach in getting its message out.
Calamari41
41 > 38
Ironically, the guy you're defending has said several times in this thread that all he cares about is getting his fix of Smash and the only possible thing that could ever get him to even consider getting a Wii U other than for that is a mainline Pokemon game. He has stated that he doesn't care about Nintendo's other franchises at all. Meanwhile, he has also said that he is amped as hell to buy a PS4 no matter the price, and he doesn't need to list the games that compel him to do so because he "knows they'll be there." He's not a sad, misunderstood Nintendo fan.
I've been trying for pages to have a conversation with him, asking him what he thinks Nintendo should do to get people on board, or what compels him specifically to buy a console. His response is always some form of "I don't have to fucking explain myself to you."
He is here to troll. Nothing more, nothing less.
Carpe Diem
Banned
And I should feel salty I don't WANT a PS4 nor 720.
4822 has been reserved by Nintendo now. Looks like business as usual.
royalan, I have to say, I appreciate that you took the time to explain out in a rational way on how this might not be in Nintendo's best interest, and I want to say that you put forth one of strongest arguments for Nintendo to have a press conference. I still disagree, but I wanted to be clear that I respect your view before posting against it.
Alright, to start, I'd like to take these points one-by-one
A. Agreed, though I think divining the source of this problem is one of the first things that Nintendo and anyone discussing solving this image problem needs to do. I'm not going to try in this post, since that would take too long, but I think the source of the problem is at least as important as the problem itself.
B. Failure is a bit stronger language than I would use, since failure is a term of finality. Underperformance is probably the best language I would use, since the console hasn't been out six months and people are already calling it a failure. You're right that perception may as well be reality to a consumer, but we're not talking about this as consumers as we are objective outside observers, and as such divining the reality behind perceptions is the first thing for us to do. We know why the Wii U is underperforming, and Nintendo has admitted to as much.
C. I'm not going to disagree with you here either, but here, I'm wondering WHO Nintendo isn't competing to. Is it the Frat boys? I'm not sure they care as long as their friends are playing on the same console. Is it the Expanded audience? They don't really care about MS and Sony's output. It's us, the "gamer", which again, who this news "affects" the most. The upstream audience, however, will receive news and trailers just as easily without an E3 conference as well, will see hands on gameplay, screenshots, software announcements and so on, so at this point, we're talking about the intangibles surrounding a live conference versus prerecorded one, which we really can't count on one way or another to do anything.
Well, at first, you're right, initial perception is negative. Initial perception for the Wii and the DS was negative too. Hell, just the name of the Wii created such a shitstorm it's not even funny. Funny how they turned it around though, right? My stance is wait and see. I'm not willing to call this initial perception their final one, as how this content is delivered will dictate how it's received. As I mentioned in an earlier post, a more effective method of getting their message out there would be to bypass the enthusiast press and go straight for the mainstream press, since that's the press Nintendo's image problems are most apparent. I understand why people are saying it's foolish for this course of action to be taken, but I'm hesitant to call it foolish myself without seeing the results first.
Well, here we have a difference of perception, and while you call this "downsizing", I see it more as a new approach. What they choose to do in the meantime might in fact be an expansion, and this expansion might reach a larger audiences than the presser would with the information each audience wants to hear. I mean, past E3s haven't really done much for Nintendo. They've had large conferences since the N64 every year without fail and they don't seem to have actually fixed the problems Nintendo faces. Remember what Adam said about the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing they've been doing since 1996 isn't going to solve the problems they've had since then. There's no chance in nine hells that Nintendo can compete with two large scale new console announcements unless Nintendo themselves had some hardware, which they don't. They released it 5 months ago. Microsoft and Sony couldn't compete with Nintendo's announcement. They didn't try. Everyone knew the 360 and PS3 were nearing the end of their lifecycles. Last E3 the spotlight was Nintendo's to make or break. Rather than try and compete with something that no company could reasonably do in their position, they step back and approach from a different perspective. As I can see it, this is probably the best thing they could do.
Good showing or Poor, it doesn't seem like Nintendo significantly benefits from their E3 showings when it comes to software or consumer support. 2006 and 2007 drove some strong hype, but it was all for naught since the software support from 3rd parties didn't follow. Their framing of their message is a different story, but if they haven't been able to do that in their conferences what tells you they're going to somehow frame it effectively in a presser this year? This method not only breaks away from their message being ineffectively framed within a least common denominator presser, but also allows them to attempt to reframe their message more effectively for different audiences. It's not the format that's the problem, but it fighting the format doesn't help with alleviating the problem. See, I'm not going to say one way or another that this is a better idea than a conference, but I really can't see how this will be worse.
Louis Cyphre
Banned
How many times can Iwata apologize about lack of software year after year?
He apologized way before the first year was even over, actually WiiU isn´t even out for a year. So eh...
natkingcoleslaw
Neo Member
Having been a PC only gamer all this long (apart from a few years of PS2 in the middle somewhere), I am a new convert to Nintendo games after just having bought a 3DS XL a month ago. I am loving what they have going on that system so far. For all it's worth, I don't think Nintendo is missing out on a lot just because they decided to skip E3. I'm sure that all of us here look forward to E3 each year with a lot of anticipation, but IMO the E3 audience, that looks up to cutting edge graphics and AA exclusives, has become saturated. Though the games industry keeps growing every year in a healthy fashion, the AAA space is, sadly for gamers like us, is shrinking. Nintendo IMO knows this. I would guess, that Nintendo (call them smart or stupid) probably have given up on the WiiU, and rather than pour more money over it, they want to focus on the handheld crowd. After all they follow this same philosophy when making their games. But then, I also think they are far behind the curve when it comes to apple or even the android market and have a lot of catching up to do.
breakfuss
Member
Lmao, who are these guys? This guy earned my sub, lol.
Napalm_Frank
Member
It's so insular and only appealing to a dedicated fanbase that no one outside of hardcore Nintendo fans knew anything about this thing within the same hour it got announced:
Nope, no one at all. Nuh-uh, everyone was blind-sided by it and no one knew it was being released except the stalwart Nintendo hardcore that Nintendo Directs apparently pander to.
The concept that the Nintendo Direct is an "echo chamber" any more than the E3 press conferences are is a ridiculous notion, anyways. Here's the description of what an "echo chamber" actually is:
Now, to me, that basically sounds like the news cycle of every E3 press conference ever presented.
Fansite bloggers and even some of the press amplify hype and/or hate for the contents of a Nintendo press conference and create the exact same effect.
And with all that said, the format of Nintendo Directs are completely within Nintendo's control and can change it to suit any situation they need it to. They aren't some nebulous alternate space where they're confined to any certain methods. Saying what something is when that something can change on a dime? THAT makes sense.
Wait not quite sure who is laughing at who here.