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[Kagey K]

You can always watch a play through on Youtube.

Throw a brick hide, kill someone, throw another brick, hide, make it to the exit, Girls in love and one of them dies, throw more bricks.

 

[CyberPanda]

Throw a brick hide, kill someone, throw another brick, hide, make it to the exit, Girls in love and one of them dies, throw more bricks.

Then they make out.

 

[Kagey K]

Then they make out.

Before or after she’s dead?

 

[CyberPanda]

Before or after she’s dead?

Before and after.

 

[abcdrstuv]

PDF OF THE STUDY
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OneAngryGamer article about the study:

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Sexualized Female Game Characters Don't Cause Body Dissatisfaction, A…

archived 9 Jul 2019 02:07:56 UTC

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Important bits of the study:

(Highlighting added by me)

I saw brap already posted this story while I was almost finished with this but my OP’s better so fuck it.

So playing with sexualized characters makes women feel less capable and more negative about other women's intelligence..? That all seems significant, and has some connection to "self-esteem" in the ordinary sense.. To see a highly sexualized woman is to feel reduced, degraded? Isn't that all kind of.. bad news?

 

[Kagey K]

Before and after.

Before and after.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

So playing with sexualized characters makes women feel less capable and more negative about other women's intelligence..? That all seems significant, and has some connection to "self-esteem" in the ordinary sense.. To see a highly sexualized woman is to feel reduced, degraded? Isn't that all kind of.. bad news?

Women are finicky when it comes to how the media portrays them.

If it's promoted it's hot women, some love it as it's sexy and they want to strive for it. Some complain it's sexualization and unrealistic as only a small number of women can be like that, so they feel like shit. Inherently, they want to resist sexualization, but in real life probably end up spending time doing their hair and buying make up, so in a way they still support it.

Guys on the other hand, don't give a shit. They can be unrealistic meatheads or an ugly fatso as comic relief. And 99% of final bosses are male characters..... (some angry asshole). And in shooters is probably some middle eastern or commie dude. Nobody cares and stretches that to real life.

 

[llien]

1b actually shows negative impact guys.

Whitesnake Thanks a lot for your effort, but pretty please, don't use yellow to highlight, I can't read it.

 

[The Cockatrice]

1b actually shows negative impact guys.

Whitesnake Thanks a lot for your effort, but pretty please, don't use yellow to highlight, I can't read it.

That's the punishment for not using the Dark Theme.

 

[brap]

1b actually shows negative impact guys.

Whitesnake Thanks a lot for your effort, but pretty please, don't use yellow to highlight, I can't read it.

Hypothesis 1b stated that playing the sexualized female character would result in lower self-efficacy in women. Support was found for this prediction.

I'll admit I'm not the smartest guy but is it because of the sexualized female character or a female character in general?

 

[llien]

Despite it being rather small in size as well as measuring rather hard to measure metrics, this is one of the studies that will be used by #taliban to talibanize games. Thread title is misleading

I'll admit I'm not the smartest guy but is it because of the sexualized female character or a female character in general?

Playing a game with sexualized characters in it, regardless if one plays them or not.

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

Throw a brick hide, kill someone, throw another brick, hide, make it to the exit, Girls in love and one of them dies, throw more bricks.

 

[Kagey K]

Well you saved everyone from a let’s play for part 1.

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

Well you saved everyone from a let’s play for part 1.

To be fair you forgot about moving ladders and cinematic masterpieces full of emotion.

 

[Kagey K]

To be fair you forgot about moving ladders and cinematic masterpieces full of emotion.

My bad I was trying to downplay the slow parts of the game.

That way it might seem more interesting, between cutscenes.

 

[Screamer-RSA]

Lets see if we can count on 1 finger how many of our beloved games "Journalists" will cover this....

Results indicated little evidence to suggest that playing a video game with sexualized content influenced any of the outcome variables. […]

Also I'd argue that excluding sexualized female characters increases male aggression.

 

[nkarafo]

It causes envy to ugly feminists.

 

[petran79]

They should have played tomb raider with the nude mod, then their hands would shake from being horny

 

[Verdanth]

98 female students? Ok.

 

[Yoshi]

I think the headline is super deceiving, because the big news imo is Hypothesis 5:

Specifically, participants who played the sexualized character (M = 2.93, SD = 1.17) reported less favorable attitudes toward women’s mental capabilities than did participants who did not play a video game (M = 2.52, SD = 1.01), F (2, 325) = 3.38, p = .04, W 2 = .02. There were no significant differences with the non-sexualized character (M = 2.72, SD = 1.13).

That's actually much worse than if playing a sexualised character gave you lower self-esteem. Because if it does, there is a simple solution: Do not play the game. But if playing the game gives you a bad opinion about women's mental capabilities, that is an indicator that people playing the game can negatively affect other people. So "if you don't like such games, don't play them" is not a sufficient advice.

 

[KiteGr]

Yeah? Well, explain this incels!

Holy mother of fuck, this whole image is Hilarious!

 

[lock2k]

lol you and your problems. Get a girl or a good hentai so you don't need to give a fuck if the girls in videogames are ugly or that there are gay people on the screen.

Such a stupid argument. I'm happily married with a good loking wife and I also want to puke with all that ugliness. What's the point of havin next gen tech if they use it to make us sick?

 

[DunDunDunpachi]

But who will we blame now?

 

[spandexmonkey]

That's actually much worse than if playing a sexualised character gave you lower self-esteem. Because if it does, there is a simple solution: Do not play the game. But if playing the game gives you a bad opinion about women's mental capabilities, that is an indicator that people playing the game can negatively affect other people. So "if you don't like such games, don't play them" is not a sufficient advice.

This post is giving me a bad opinion about men's mental capabilities. Please do better by deleting it.

 

[Yoshi]

This post is giving me a bad opinion about men's mental capabilities. Please do better by deleting it.

How am I supposed to delete your opinion?

 

[Fuz]

No way!

 

[ThatGamingDude]

Well you saved everyone from a let’s play for part 1.

I got you on part 2

 

[Whitesnake]

I think the headline is super deceiving, because the big news imo is Hypothesis 5:

That's actually much worse than if playing a sexualised character gave you lower self-esteem. Because if it does, there is a simple solution: Do not play the game. But if playing the game gives you a bad opinion about women's mental capabilities, that is an indicator that people playing the game can negatively affect other people. So "if you don't like such games, don't play them" is not a sufficient advice.

Sounds like fragile femininity to me.

More seriously, I think that links up with 1b. Specifically, they're both about views of women's capability after playing the game (1b is women, 5 is all participants) and I'm thinking it might have more to do with player skill than sexualized characters.

These participants have varying levels of skill. If someone plays a game and sucks at it, they'll be a bit frustrated and feel a tad self-concious that they suck at it. I think these results may be skewed women self-reporting a lack of capability after failing at the game rather than after having seen a hot female character.

This study is small and far from a knockout, but it does try to answer some questions that nobody else has before.

 

[llien]

Lets see if we can count on 1 finger how many of our beloved games "Journalists" will cover this....

The tile is misleading.
They did found bad impact (1b for instance, playing a game that contains "sexualized" charactrers, has negative impact on self esteem).
So pretty much all could cover it.

 

[Ten_Fold]

Good, I never heard a women complain about a character with big tits that looks good, they usually go play that character anyways, nobody wants to play a female who looks like a man and has no skin showing.

 

[FoundressofNothing]

"non-sexualized video game character"

I haven't read the whole study (if anyone could link to a pdf of it, that would be great) but I find the assumption that the reboot's Lara is non-sexualized fundamentally flawed. Reboot Lara is young, beautiful and slim. The game's creators made her thus to appeal to those who are sexually attracted to women.

And let's not get into many of the sounds Lara makes during her death scenes:

 

[cireza]

1b actually shows negative impact guys.

Yeah but not 2B, so that's ok.

 

[Enygger_Tzu]

Tell us something we don't know.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Nah, just men who pretend to be women on a certain site.

 

[metareferential]

Conservatives say violence in videogames causes school shootings, Studies prove them wrong.

Liberals say sexuality in videogames causes misogyny and sexual harrasment. Studies prove them wrong.

Different day, same old bullshit. Videogames I guess will always be a target.

Meanwhile on Instagram...

 

[Vawn]

You know what causes body dissatisfaction with women? Being fat. Stop being fat.

 

[DonF]

@mods delete my thread or merge it or whatever. i dont care.

New a priori thesis, posting a story second causes aggression.

 

[Tesseract]

Holy mother of fuck, this whole image is Hilarious!

what is searching for the big titty demon, please support his quest!

 

[llien]

Conservatives say violence in videogames causes school shootings, Studies prove them wrong.

That's not how it ended.
Al Gore's wife was involved in major push to tackle "violence in games".
It ended up with the Supreme Court stating that's free speech so leave them alone.

 

[grfunkulus]

Spain is the best reference for this xDDD

The main "left" political group is full of female: kidnappers, murderers, delinquents, and of course, feminist activists. And for the male counterpart: rapists, sexists, and, of course too, feminist allies.

But it just natural: People become more invested in things that they feel the most, like... If you feel guilty about raping some innocent woman, you'll pursue "woman rights" until your facade drops, but until then, you will point to anyone that can make you feel a little better. Even if that is to let you continue it, or destroying the society.

(Just saying, other political groups aren't free of charge, it's just that they aren't the auto-proclamed saviors of women xD)

Hmmm while this may be a thing that actually exists it seems pretty obvious to me that the opposite is (more) true. You have a sexual assaulter in chief that has no shame and clearly isn't out there purporting to be fighting for women's rights.

The difference between the right and the left is mostly shame. We on the left like to have our scumbags hide. The right hides theirs in plain sight and says 'nothing to see here'. Neither are right but as I always said, if you're looking for a party and you're a racist, sexist etc...well, one is certainly going to be more overtly welcoming than the other. Anyone with half a brain knows no party has a monopoly on this stuff though but let's be real for a minute.

 

[BlackOlivesMatter]

Yeah but not 2B, so that's ok.

Careful throwing that name around, Dick Packer aka Abby will rush in here triggered at the mere notion of android butt cheeks.

 

[Simply_Bry]

Are you saying the left was wrong? Again?

Shocker

 

[GreyHorace]

That's not how it ended.
Al Gore's wife was involved in major push to tackle "violence in games".
It ended up with the Supreme Court stating that's free speech so leave them alone.

I know Tipper Gore was involved in the push against videogames. As was Senator Joseph Lieberman, who was a democrat. But there were a lot of controversies regarding videogames started by right wing and conservative groups. Can we forget Fox News' stirring expose into the porn simulator that is Mass Effect?

What's frustrating is that now, it's the left leaning sites and publications that are using videogames and gamers as a scapegoat. And some of the game journalists too! The people who are supposed to be defending the medium are now attacking it and calling for censorship. That makes me angry and frustrated.

 

[llien]

I know Tipper Gore was involved in the push against videogames. As was Senator Joseph Lieberman, who was a democrat. But there were a lot of controversies regarding videogames started by right wing and conservative groups. Can we forget Fox News' stirring expose into the porn simulator that is Mass Effect?

Oh, don't get me wrong, my point was not that it wasn't conservatives who were against, just that it was decided by SC that it's a free speech issue, so everyone needs to let it be.

 

[Pimpbaa]

And the uglyfication of female characters for feminist reasons (DA:I, ME:A, Horizon) causes me to boycott said games.

Aloy (and the pretty actress she is based off) is far from ugly and one of the prettiest realistically design female character, plus she wasn't uglyfied because Horizon was the first game she was in. Also in the Carja Blazon armor she is outright hot with her exposed midriff showing off her tight stomach with a subtle hint of abs.Your other 2 examples I would agree with.

 

[bilderberg]

Aloy (and the pretty actress she is based off) is far from ugly and one of the prettiest realistically design female character, plus she wasn't uglyfied because Horizon was the first game she was in. Also in the Carja Blazon armor she is outright hot with her exposed midriff showing off her tight stomach with a subtle hint of abs.Your other 2 examples I would agree with.

she looks like Tommy Pickles

 

[Enjay]

And to think it cost thousands of dollars and several years of research to reach this conclusion.

 

[Tesseract]

And to think it cost thousands of dollars and several years of research to reach this conclusion.

and it's probably not even accurate (or precise), whatever it is

all these studies are garbage, always have been

 

[Enjay]

and it's probably not even accurate (or precise), whatever it is

all these studies are garbage, always have been

Ppl talk about the game industry needing to self police itself but the science industry REALLY needs to start doing that better. Science has fast become one of the biggest shams ever. "Give me a million dollars and 10 years to research it and I'll conclude that if X happens during Y, then Z is hypothetically possible..... maybe."

 

[Punished Miku]

I dont agree with any aspect of the methodology here. The game choices are weird. The ice test is weird. Then saying that this represents aggression and body image changes, measured by time your hand is in water ... what the fuck lol.