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The media really fucked this one up, eh?

The number of shooters went from two to three to one, who was dead but then alive again.
 
dave is ok said:
So you disagree? You think these events happen less now than say 10 years ago?

And they happen the same amount in America as in other developed nations? :lol
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In the 80's it was like every year some employee (usually a postal worker) was shooting up his workplace. The carnage was usually much less, but the incidents happened just as frequently.
 
dave is ok said:
The media really fucked this one up, eh?

The number of shooters went from two to three to one, who was dead but then alive again.
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I don't know that it's necessarily their fault. The very same base spokesman apparently was the one who originally said he was dead, then hours later said he was alive.
 
Never take instant reports as 100% accurate, especially during a tragedy when witnesses are shaken up, people are trying to cobble a story together, and authorities are not saying everything (likely because they're trying to piece things together themselves). The media does the best they can when people are demanding information but there's little concrete to go by.
 
Maybe it was some kind of sleeper cell or maybe the brother just realised that him being in an army that is occupying muslim lands is wrong and he didnt want to fight the resistance once in iraq.
 
APF said:
To support my point, yes.
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Not sure why you can't just agree with me, but OK.
 
Anyone have a non-YouTube link to Obama's remarks (blocked here at work). Was he really laughing and giving "shout-outs" before he stepped to the podium?
 
minus_273 said:
ok guys a muslim soldier is screaming "god is great" and shooting up a base. Does anyone still think this has nothing to do with religion?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091106/ap_on_re_us/us_fort_hood_shooting
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*raises hand*

Shouting "god is great" doesn't mean he killed people because he is muslim, or that he was motivated by other causes relating to religion and / or politics.

Maybe he was just a devout muslim, lost his mind, and decided to profess his love for god prior to him taking out his 'revenge' on the United States Army that he was not proud to be with?

Or should we just take everything at face value to back our own claims because we want to paint a picture?
 
wow, two of the injured (one of which looks like he's not going to make it) are good friends of an employee of mine here in Georgia. It's scary how many people these sorts of things affect.
 
Woodsy said:
Anyone have a non-YouTube link to Obama's remarks (blocked here at work). Was he really laughing and giving "shout-outs" before he stepped to the podium?
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keep drinking that kool-aid, Woodsy. Never stop!

mckmas8808 said:
It was a terrorist attack from the information released.
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uh, no it isn't.
 
APF said:
It is not I who have been spouting nonsense; your posts attacked a straw man and ignored the context of what I was replying to. Your responses were the nonsense, not mine.

It's true I have that effect on people though--folks assume that because they feel they must disagree with me, I must be saying something outlandish. They then refuse to read what I'm saying and reply with nonsense.
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You've been making posts in style and wording which are clearly supposed to remind us of someone else. Is the all-lower-case and moral-relativism parody of a specific GAFer? I'm assuming the unsubtle references to the "B" woman (you could even throw in a little Tawana Brawley, if you wanted) are warnings about jumping to early conclusions? Your typical post is no less confusing, but usually because you've worded it in such a convoluted fashion.
 
As every hour passes it becomes more and more apparent that this was a terrorist incident that was fuelled by extremist Islamic views, although I agree that other factors were present.

I would think that something like this would be impossible, but no. Again, awful story.

PC GAF fails hard.
 
liquid_gears said:
As every hour passes it becomes more and more apparent that this was a terrorist incident that was fuelled by extremist Islamic views, although I agree that other factors were present.

I would think that something like this would be impossible, but no. Again, awful story.

PC GAF fails hard.
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if it is TRUE, that he stated Aluha Akbar (spelling???) before the shooting began, and this is NOT a terrorist based incident, then the guy is just a retard. What did he think the world would make of it when he (if he) said that?
 
liquid_gears said:
more apparent that this was a terrorist incident that was fuelled by extremist Islamic views, although I agree that other factors were present.
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You also heard the reports about how the attacker yelled out his rationale for creating an Islamic caliphate across the Middle East and extending into Africa? He has quite the lung capacity.
 
APF said:
Aren't... you... agreeing with me?
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Right, but you worded it in such a way that make you seem right and me seem wrong.

Just seems like you either go out of your way to be contrarian or you're self-centered.
 
As I probably said in the other thread I'm referencing, calling attacks like this "terrorist" is asinine and counterproductive, even if there is some level of political rationale behind it.


scorcho: weren't you saying he probably wasn't religious and making fun of people for thinking he might be? Discretion, valor.
 
scorcho said:
keep drinking that kool-aid, Woodsy. Never stop!


uh, no it isn't.
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Kool-Aid? I'm just looking for a link. Do you think (if true, again I haven't seen the link) that's an appropriate response before addressing such a serious situation. I'm sure it will be swept under the rug by the same people (Olbermann, et al) who love to bring up Bush's immediate response when told about a plane hitting the WTC.
 
My sister's husband is stationed there along with their 3 kids. She wasn't able to pick them up and bring them home until about 8pm their time.

Luckily none of them were hurt.

Apparently he was the psychiatrist on post, converted to Islam and went batshit insane. He targeted the troops that were about to deploy.

Very sad story.
 
APF said:
scorcho: weren't you saying he probably wasn't religious and making fun of people for thinking he might be? Discretion, valor.
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no, i made fun of people basing their judgments solely on his name in absence of anything else.
 
I don't understand why people are so certain this was a terrorist attack just now.

I was sure it was a terrorist attack as soon as it happened, before I even knew the dudes name. Someone with a gun killing innocent people at random is a terrorist, he doesn't need to be a muslim or middle eastern. The guy who shot up the Holocaust Museum? Terrorist. The kid responsible for the massacre at V-Tech? Terrorist.

God, drop the semantics.
 
Woodsy said:
Kool-Aid? I'm just looking for a link. Do you think (if true, again I haven't seen the link) that's an appropriate response before addressing such a serious situation. I'm sure it will be swept under the rug by the same people (Olbermann, et al) who love to bring up Bush's immediate response when told about a plane hitting the WTC.
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why does an overly political, inconsequential moment even need to be swept under the rug?
 
scorcho said:
no, i made fun of people basing their judgments solely on his name in absence of anything else.
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But now you admit you were probably hasty in suggesting he couldn't possibly be religious, correct?

dave is ok: so basically every criminal is a terrorist? The word becomes meaningless if every shooting is considered terrorism.
 
APF said:
But now you admit you were probably hasty in suggesting he couldn't possibly be religious, correct?
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had i wrote that i probably would admit to being hasty. good thing i did nothing of the sort.
 
liquid_gears said:
As every hour passes it becomes more and more apparent that this was a terrorist incident that was fuelled by extremist Islamic views, although I agree that other factors were present.

PC GAF fails hard.
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Not even the army is concluding this; in fact, it is leaning the other way:

General Cone said that terrorism was not being ruled out, but that preliminary evidence did not suggest that the rampage had been an act of terrorism.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/07/us/07forthood.html

While a lot remains unknown, it seems that a confluence of factors played a role in what looks mostly like a workplace/school shooting. (Besides, terrorism by definition is directed at civilians. An attack on a military base, however political, is not terrorism.)
 
dave is ok said:
I don't understand why people are so certain this was a terrorist attack just now.

I was sure it was a terrorist attack as soon as it happened, before I even knew the dudes name. Someone with a gun killing innocent people at random is a terrorist, he doesn't need to be a muslim or middle eastern. The guy who shot up the Holocaust Museum? Terrorist. The kid responsible for the massacre at V-Tech? Terrorist.

God, drop the semantics.
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The V Tech shooting really wasn't terrorism at all. Just a crazy guy shooting a bunch of people.
 
scorcho said:
had i wrote that i probably would admit to being hasty. good thing i did nothing of the sort.
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OIC, you didn't suggest that. But now that you know that he was religious, and now that we have reports that he was possibly praising god while doing the shooting, you admit your comments about god telling him to kill people weren't of the best taste?
 
empty vessel said:
Not even the army is concluding this; in fact, it is leaning the other way:



http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/07/us/07forthood.html

While a lot remains unknown, it seems that a confluence of factors played a role in what looks mostly like a workplace/school shooting. (Besides, terrorism by definition is directed at civilians. An attack on a military base, however political, is not terrorism.)
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the nytimes is hardly a credible news source.
 
empty vessel said:
While a lot remains unknown, it seems that a confluence of factors played a role in what looks mostly like a workplace/school shooting. (Besides, terrorism by definition is directed at civilians. An attack on a military base, however political, is not terrorism.)
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IMO that's bullcrap. Those people killed weren't even in combat. You can't rule out terrorism just because it happened on a military base.
 
APF said:
now that we have reports that he was possibly praising god while doing the shooting, you admit your comments about god telling him to kill people weren't of the best taste?
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wait, are you telling me that Jesus Christ didn't tell Russell to open fire on his fellow soldiers? how can we be so sure?
 
minus_273 said:
the nytimes is hardly a credible news source.
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I agree it has a structural bias towards business and government as all other corporate media do, but what is your view of the underlying source, General Cone? Is he a credible source?

mckmas8808 said:
IMO that's bullcrap. Those people killed weren't even in combat. You can't rule out terrorism just because it happened on a military base.
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Of course I can. It may be treason or rebellion, but it's functionally no different from fragging that occurred during the Vietnam war, and I'm not aware of anybody ever referring to that kind of violence as terrorism. Unless, of course, you think the ethnicity of the perpetrator has something to do with what we call things. I don't.
 
Death Dealer said:
long a ?
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It's really important to control the pit at long a. From there as a T you can move together with teammates flanking catwalk to take the bombsite. After the bomb is planted it is best covered with 1 T in pit and another on long a platform. If you don't have a third player alive to cover long a doors it's best to have the player on long a platform cover them while the T in pit covers bomb.
 
Just watched the video and HOLY SHIT Obama does not get it. OK, I understand he was at a conference concerning Native Americans, but didn't he/his handlers realize that this was his fist time on TV after the tragic events at a military base (hello - COMMANDER IN CHIEF) and he starts by giving 2 minutes of lip service to the audience about the conference, how they will work together, a shout out to a Medal of Honor winner, and only then says "You might have heard that there was a shooting at a military base...."

When I first saw this posted, I assumed that his "shout out" was kind of off to the side before he took the podium, but that was not the case.

Say what you want, Obama was either oblivious to the seriousness of the shootings or he just didn't give a rat's ass and thought giving lip service to the conference attendees was more important on his agenda than getting right to addressing the shootings. Either way it was damn awkward.
 
empty vessel said:
Of course I can. It may treason or rebellion, but it's functionally no different from fragging that occurred during the Vietnam war, and I'm not aware of anybody ever referring to that kind of violence as terrorism. Unless, of course, you think the ethnicity of the perpetrator has something to do with what we call things. I don't.
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Dude if a person (belonging to a terrorist organization) were to drive a car onto a military base a blow it up at the AAFES parking lot killing 2 soliders about to buy some milk and ink pens it would be viewed as a terrorist attack.
 
Woodsy said:
Just watched the video and HOLY SHIT Obama does not get it.
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I don't think he's the one that doesn't get it.

mckmas8808 said:
Dude if a person (belonging to a terrorist organization) were to drive a car onto a military base a blow it up at the AAFES parking lot killing 2 soliders about to buy some milk and ink pens it would be viewed as a terrorist attack.
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what terrorist organization does the shooter belong to?
 
Woodsy said:
Just watched the video and HOLY SHIT Obama does not get it. OK, I understand he was at a conference concerning Native Americans, but didn't he/his handlers realize that this was his fist time on TV after the tragic events at a military base (hello - COMMANDER IN CHIEF) and he starts by giving 2 minutes of lip service to the audience about the conference, how they will work together, a shout out to a Medal of Honor winner, and only then says "You might have heard that there was a shooting at a military base...."

When I first saw this posted, I assumed that his "shout out" was kind of off to the side before he took the podium, but that was not the case.

Say what you want, Obama was either oblivious to the seriousness of the shootings or he just didn't give a rat's ass and thought giving lip service to the conference attendees was more important on his agenda than getting right to addressing the shootings. Either way it was damn awkward.
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The only reason this bothers me is because I'm in the military and he's the Commander in Chief, and the incident in question happened at a military installation.
 
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