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[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

Oh hey, Manos is hear. Let's all hear how 'gun' and 'freedom' are synonyms and how concealed carry is the best thing since Providence herself stepped down from on high to sign the American Constitution with the blood of infidels (and those within collateral proximity).

I'll take it over the lack of personal liberty and privacy that exist in Japan.

 

[Kusagari]

Right, thought it's actually 99.7%
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_justice_system_of_Japan#Conviction_Rate

Something very odd is occurring there.

I think it's pretty well known how fucked up the court system is in Japan.

 

[ChiTownBuffalo]

Isn't Canada a better comparison than Japan?

 

[out0v0rder]

hey guys i figured it out... if we stop killing each other that means less murders.

 

[teruterubozu]

Japan has a very different culture from the US.

Plus it was the US that essentially said "no defense for you!"

 

[Pimpwerx]

We clearly need more guns to get those numbers down. Meh.

Looks like Honduras has some serious gun violence issues. PEACE.

 

[Akkad]

So, in Japan 100% of Yakuza who dishonor their group lose a finger, in the US it's 0, BOOM!

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

I think it's pretty well known how fucked up the court system is in Japan.

I think a lot less people know than you think they do or realize the effect on crime rates, along with the aforementioned playing with the stats.

 

[Milchjon]

if only more people in Japan had guns maybe those 11 people's lives could have been saved.

Ahahahaha

 

[Chinner]

these statistics purposefully paint a negative image of guns. where are the statistics of the good things guns have done? yesterday i shot a cat out of a tree and gave it back to a little girl, surely that should be counted.

 

[Colonel Nasty]

Japan had over 1000 murders last year. Just because there's no guns doesn't mean there's no death.

I guess I never thought the numbers were that low worldwide. My small town (50,000) had twelve murders last year.

 

[ReBurn]

I like how they compare apples to apples in this one. This one's the genuine real deal.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=80963&page=1#.UCALfEQeHQw

Good thing people in Japan don't have guns, otherwise the crime rate there would probably be rising.

 

[Blackace]

Ehh... I don't really think that Japan's gun-related deaths would be even close to that of America's even if guns were legal there. Just a totally different culture and people.

Hmmm I know they skew a lot of numbers here. A lot of Yak related crimes get shuffled around and that includes gun murders

 

[Hoo-doo]

Isn't Canada a better comparison than Japan?

Canada is sharing border with one of the biggest gun-loving nations in the world. I'd imagine there would be quite a substantial overlap in gun crime going on.

 

[.GqueB.]

WTF BRAZIL RELAX!!!

 

[Kabouter]

Isn't Canada a better comparison than Japan?

Yes, it is. Or really nearly any other industrialized country, because they are far more similar to the United States in culture and societal challenges than Japan is.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

now Japan just need to find a way to make more babies and all is well

 

[Ninja Scooter]

WTF BRAZIL RELAX!!!

That's what booty does to you.

 

[Blackace]

So, in Japan 100% of Yakuza who dishonor their group lose a finger, in the US it's 0, BOOM!

This is as correct as 3 + 3 = 33

 

[SnakeswithLasers]

I'll take it over the lack of personal liberty and privacy that exist in Japan.

Of course you would. You love guns. People like you force guns onto everyone else because don't possess the will to disentangle freedom of speech and expression from the right to own a gun.

I'm fairly certain that you fervently believe that guns are the only reason the government isn't hammering down the doors of those with critical or dissenting views.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

Hmmm I know they skew a lot of numbers here. A lot of Yak related crimes get shuffled around and that includes gun murders

If they can do that with gun murders, I don't want to imagine what the real rape rate is.

 

[marrec]

WTF BRAZIL RELAX!!!

Olympics 2016 is gunna be bangin'.

 

[RDreamer]

Wow, that's kind of crazy. That means there are almost no criminals in Japan. I mean criminals will always get access to guns if they want to anyway, so I guess criminals in Japan just don't want to. Or there aren't that many. Congrats Japan!

 

[railGUN]

Canada only had 611 total homicides in 2008, not sure how many were gun related.

Edit: looks like 200 were gun related.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

Of course you would. You love guns. People like you force guns onto everyone else because don't possess the will to disentangle freedom of speech and expression from the right to own a gun.

I'm fairly certain that you fervently believe that guns are the only reason the government isn't hammering down the doors of those with critical or dissenting views.

You want the US to have the police powers that the Japanese police have and the courts to have the conviction rate of 99.7%? This has nothing to do with guns, and it's clear you didn't read the question I posed to you.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

Hmmm I know they skew a lot of numbers here. A lot of Yak related crimes get shuffled around and that includes gun murders

Oh, for sure. There are certainly some murder cases that get classified as 変死 (unnatural death) and are just swept under the rug.

I just think that, as a culture, Japan is far less violent than the United States. Even if gun ownership was a thing, I don't think gun-related murders would be nearly as high.

 

[Alligatorjandro]

Americans love killing

 

[BeeDog]

Gotta be honest, pleasantly surprised by both Finland and Serbia. For being such gun-toting countries, the number is surprisingly low.

 

[Kettch]

Japan has a very different culture from the US.

America always wins due to our superior culture. Mr. Romney should get on that.

It's definitely interesting reading a series like I Am a Hero, compared to how things are over here.

 

[Vermillion]

What does that have to do with anything?
If there were guns, there would be more deaths, simple.

People are quick to attribute deaths to guns rather than the people and culture behind them.

With all due respect, that's entirely idiotic. There is a fundamental cultural difference that causes people to kill with guns. Guns certainly are simpler to kill with, but comparing Japan of all places (notable for a relative lack of violent crime in total) with the United States isn't a great idea. Not for this.

There's another reason, and the longer we keep blaming guns in and of themselves is the longer it will take for us to isolate that reason.

 

[Hoo-doo]

Wow, that's kind of crazy. That means there are almost no criminals in Japan. I mean criminals will always get access to guns if they want to anyway, so I guess criminals in Japan just don't want to. Or there aren't that many. Congrats Japan!

It's a complete fallacy that in countries with strict gun laws criminals would still have just as easy access to guns.

They'd either have to have some high-up connections, mob/gang affiliations or a lot of money to spend, and it would attract so much unwanted attention that petty criminals aren't ever going to bother.

 

[ZZMitch]

Good for them!

 

[GoldenEye 007]

Of course you would. You love guns. People like you force guns onto everyone else because don't possess the will to disentangle freedom of speech and expression from the right to own a gun.

Nobody is forcing you to buy gun.

 

[Mercury Fred]

People are quick to attribute deaths to guns rather than the people and culture behind them.

With all due respect, that's entirely idiotic. There is a fundamental cultural difference that causes people to kill with guns. Guns certainly are simpler to kill with, but comparing Japan of all places (notable for a relative lack of violent crime in total) with the United States isn't a great idea. Not for this.

There's another reason, and the longer we keep blaming guns in and of themselves is the longer it will take for us to isolate that reason.

Did you take a look at the rigorous screening involved in acquiring guns in Japan? That process alone could cut down on gun deaths in the U.S.

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

What percentage of American gun violence is gang related?

Did you take a look at the rigorous screening involved in acquiring guns in Japan? That process alone could cut down on gun deaths in the U.S.

no it wouldn't, there are too many already out there.

 

[PastorOfMuppets]

Guns in America is like haggis in Scotland, curling in Canada and cheating on your wife in France. Nobody knows why those respective nationalities have an irrational love for the things they love and nobdy ever will. I just chalk it up to Americans being American.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

Brazil must be a really fun place to live but those chart are missing countries that could possibly blow those brazil numbers away

Syria can't be fun right now

 

[Duane Cunningham]

I'll take it over the lack of personal liberty and privacy that exist in Japan.

But do they lack those things because they don't have guns? That seems like a harder conclusion to draw than the correlation between guns on the street and gun violence.

 

[SnakeswithLasers]

You want the US to have the police powers that the Japanese police have and the courts to have the conviction rate of 99.7%? This has nothing to do with guns, and it's clear you didn't read the question I posed to you.

You didn't pose a question to me, or you are really bad with punctuation.

 

[Horse Armour]

What percentage of American gun violence is gang related?

Ever heard of the Yakuza? They make your Crips and Bloods look like Teletubbies extras.

 

[Kusagari]

Gotta be honest, pleasantly surprised by both Finland and Serbia. For being such gun-toting countries, the number is surprisingly low.

Doesn't Finland have a ridiculously high suicide rate too?

Kind of weird some of the least violent countries have the biggest suicide rates.

 

[BlazingDarkness]

People are quick to attribute deaths to guns rather than the people and culture behind them.

With all due respect, that's entirely idiotic. There is a fundamental cultural difference that causes people to kill with guns. Guns certainly are simpler to kill with, but comparing Japan of all places (notable for a relative lack of violent crime in total) with the United States isn't a great idea. Not for this.

There's another reason, and the longer we keep blaming guns in and of themselves is the longer it will take for us to isolate that reason.

Entirely idiotic? Lol, ok.

Guns enable those with the desire to kill to do so, if they are removed, there will be less death, it's simple.
This' 'fundamental cultural difference' is probably partly born from ease of access to guns, that those within the United States are granted.

 

[Vermillion]

Did you take a look at the rigorous screening involved in acquiring guns in Japan? That process alone could cut down on gun deaths in the U.S.

I'm all for more rigorous screening, psych evals, etc. My point is that there is a cultural difference (that you can see in other statistics) that guns don't account for.

Guns = deaths isn't the way to think about it. There's a different problem.

 

[RDreamer]

Nobody is forcing you to buy gun.

The more and more people around you get guns the more you probably should. Maybe it's not "forcing," but it's pretty close at this point. Look at the gun sales after these tragedies occur. People flock to them for safety. If you want to be safe in a country where nearly everyone else is armed, you pretty well have to fight fire with fire and get one yourself.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

You didn't pose a question to me, or you are really bad with punctuation.

So you don't want to answer the question?

Did you take a look at the rigorous screening involved in acquiring guns in Japan? That process alone could cut down on gun deaths in the U.S.

Yeah right. We have a background check system in the US and it works.

But do they lack those things because they don't have guns? That seems like a harder conclusion to draw than the correlation between guns on the street and gun violence.

It's part of the overall society as a whole and control and conformance which are huge parts of Japanese society. Keep in mind weapon bans in Japan have a long long history independent of guns.

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

Ever heard of the Yakuza? They make your Crips and Bloods look like Teletubbies extras.

yes but at the same time there are way more people trying to be gang bangers than the well organized Yakuza.

 

[Mercury Fred]

no it wouldn't, there are too many already out there.

I disagree, someone who is not mentally well can easily impulse buy a gun here in the U.S. Having to seek one out could deter someone who isn't all together from following through on acquiring one.

As it stands, the "screening" process here in the U.S. is a failure and a joke.

 

[Hoo-doo]

Nobody is forcing you to buy gun.

If everyone around you is armed, you'd be stupid not to arm yourself as well. It's the sad reality.

 

[Ultima_5]

Well. I'm glad we got the right to bear arms! Seems like it's doing alot of good!

 

[SnakeswithLasers]

Nobody is forcing you to buy gun.

Actually, when people say that the only way to stop gun violence is via less gun control and more concealed carry, that is essentially relegating the role of armed policing onto everyday people who have no business or training to be involved in law enforcement.

So yes, it is forcing me to own a gun. It is admitting that we live in a society that is too dangerous to walk around in while unarmed and it is surrendering to gun-toting criminals by forcing everyone to become armed themselves.

I wasn't born in the wild west, pardon me if I don't want to backslide back there.

So you don't want to answer the question?

What is your question? Is it the false equivocation that if we have active gun control in this country, then our police force is going to all of a sudden be unafraid of the populace and impose some authoritarian agenda? Because no, I don't believe that will happen.