quickwhips
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You shouldn't go to jail for hate speech. But if you act on it then yes you should go to jail.
Do we expect that these laws will be meted out with equality in our current white supremacists' reality?
In truth, groups like BLM and the like would be targeted.
This complete trust in the government by progressives is extremely naive, especially in given this government more power to imprison with the warped incentives already at play in this country--for profit prisons and the like.
No one should ever be put in prison for words.
No. You could, at most, fine them for disturbing the peace. Prison is already filled with too many nonviolent offenders as it is.
Also this. The majority imprisoned would be POC, as all hate speech would have to be criminalized equally and not this fantasy of only "hate speech against minorities."
I know what you're trying to say, so I'm not going to be deliberately obtuse about your statement, but you do need to consider language which is threatening of violence, in a direct fashion, and what the repercussions of those things should be.
I know this will likely be a very unpopular opinion here but I dont like the slippery slope of criminalizing speech, even for those who express abhorrent and disgusting views. Plus, the 1st amendment makes it pretty tough for something like this to even be legal.
How do feel about something like a call to commit war crimes at some vague point in the future? Do you feel someone saying "At some point, we should round up black people and shoot them in the head," should be protected speech?
Yes
It will hardly ever get enforced anyway in our white supremacist society; there should at least be a law in the first place.
Indeed
But muh free speech!
Hate speech shouldn't be protected, it's not free speech it's bullying with the intent of inciting violence.
You can't deny the holocaust here in Canada. Now the holocaust happened (do I need to say it?), and the people who deny it are usually pieces of shit....
But the idea that I can't say that is vaguely silly, nannying and anti-freedom.
"The holocaust didhappen"did!
^ How ridiculous that I could be put in jail for typing something different there.
Tell that to the places that have hate speech law that are a proof of concept of this never actually happening. Hate speech laws aren't even remotely extreme, they're incredibly basic as a concept.I'm very confused as to what is going on nowadays with extreme measures like this being suggested. It's like none of you ever understood what freedom is.
All of you sound like Trump saying Kapernick should be fired for kneeling during the anthem. Of course hate speech is horrible, but the idea of a government defining those guidelines and how extreme they can get in their hands, to the point where they limit what you can say against the government, that's what people mean by slippery slope.
I'm so glad you guys aren't in office.
What?
No.
This community has seriously gone off the deep end.
I know this will likely be a very unpopular opinion here but I dont like the slippery slope of criminalizing speech, even for those who express abhorrent and disgusting views. Plus, the 1st amendment makes it pretty tough for something like this to even be legal.
I read the OP and responded to it. Most don't even bother to do that.
And let's not pretend that bizarre threads and posts with thoroughly illiberal ideas haven't taken a serious hold on this community. It's a very worrying trend that stands in stark opposition to the very level-headed left-leaning opnions, which used to make the sociopolitical discussions in this community a great read.
It's not (and I'm fine with this), but I find it strange to have specific cases in the law. Like, ideally, I think you should handle "hate speech" the same, be it towards minorities or not.It's not anti-freedom jesus
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Dude. These laws exist in other countries and members if this community are from those countries
No, but more shit needs to be charged as Inciting Violence and the laws around it and punished accordingly. If you call for ethnic cleansings it should be against the laws that we already have on the books. There's plenty of crap people spew on a daily basis that falls under this as it is and we should take it more seriously and more diligently prosecute it.
These two posts come close to my own thoughts here. When orgs are throwing up posters and forwarding messages of racial genocide or otherwise skirting the incitement of violence, that should be actionable. The how is tricky, though. Our justice system is pretty fucked.Punishable yes, with the standard caveats of varying grades of severity and provisions for extenuating circumstances. Hate speech isn't neutral speech, it has very real knock-on effects that kick society's most vulnerable when they're already down.
Absolutely not.
Do we expect that these laws will be meted out with equality in our current white supremacists' reality?
In truth, groups like BLM and the like would be targeted.
This complete trust in the government by progressives is extremely naive, especially in given this government more power to imprison with the warped incentives already at play in this country--for profit prisons and the like.
GAF: Mass incarceration of nonviolent offenders is terrible!
Also GAF: this thread.
This isn't my main objection with the OP's question, but it's one that immediately struck me as very possible here in the US as soon as the point was raised.
That minorities get very little protection from the law?No. That's the entire point of this country.
Absolutely not.
Do we expect that these laws will be meted out with equality in our current white supremacists' reality?
In truth, groups like BLM and the like would be targeted.
This complete trust in the government by progressives is extremely naive, especially in given this government more power to imprison with the warped incentives already at play in this country--for profit prisons and the like.
No, the entire point of this country was not to allow someone to preach about the inferior status of race x and how race y should be preserved and it would be nice if they were all killed or removed.No. That's the entire point of this country.
I know this will likely be a very unpopular opinion here but I dont like the slippery slope of criminalizing speech, even for those who express abhorrent and disgusting views. Plus, the 1st amendment makes it pretty tough for something like this to even be legal.
They cite examples like Germany and Canada forgetting the inherent brutality of the US criminal justice system.Jesus, some of you people are literally authoritarians. Slippery slope isn't an inherent fallacy. We have an entire history of civilization and governance to look at to see how those in power can use that power against people. You give this power to someone like Trump and you will damn well see it used against minority groups like BLM.
No, the entire point of this country was not to allow someone to preach about the inferior status of race x and how race y should be preserved and it would be nice if they were all killed or removed.
Don't be ridiculous.