33-Hit-Combo
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I'm afraid I haven't read the entire thread, but is LED frowned upon? I have no idea what to do and I am about to invest in a 40+" TV. Please help guys.
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Should I stick with LCD or go Plasma?
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Depends on what you're gonna use it for. For videogames, panasonic plasmas are the way.
33-Hit-Combo
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Mostly gaming and movies (DVDs, haven't begun collecting BD) I suppose. How are plasmas in the way of imprints? Or was that problem resolved eons ago?
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Depends on how many hours you use it continuously. I don't usually keep my tv on for more than 2 hours: I had three plasmas (all from panasonic) and never had any problem with imprints. Then again, you could have some with hud in games and such, but they usually go away after a few hours and there are built-in modes in newer tvs that can take care of that for you. You really have to treat it really badly to have any permanent damage to the panel, I guess (even if there's a few people now and then saying they had problems and they used all the necessary precautions... but they're probably exceptional cases).
I have a Panasonic 42ST30 in case you're wondering, it seems to be one of the most popular in this thread and it's actually awesome for his price and even in his own good.
About LED, to put it simply: they tend to have high response times, and you want to avoid that when playing videogames. They're ok for movies though. Another thing is I have the impression that for the same price you can get a better plasma than a led: there's a lot of not-so-good models at cheap prices and you have to spend more than you would for a decent plasma to get a decent led.
Also, sorry for my crappy english, second language
33-Hit-Combo
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Depends on how many hours you use it continuously. I don't usually keep my tv on for more than 2 hours: I had three plasmas (all from panasonic) and never had any problem with imprints. Then again, you could have some with hud in games and such, but they usually go away after a few hours and there are built-in modes in newer tvs that can take care of that for you. You really have to treat it really badly to have any permanent damage to the panel, I guess (even if there's a few people now and then saying they had problems and they used all the necessary precautions... but they're probably exceptional cases).
I have a Panasonic 42ST30 in case you're wondering, it seems to be one of the most popular in this thread and it's actually awesome for his price and even in his own good.
About LED, to put it simply: they tend to have high response times, and you want to avoid that when playing videogames. They're ok for movies though. Another thing is I have the impression that for the same price you can get a better plasma than a led: there's a lot of not-so-good models at cheap prices and you have to spend more than you would for a decent plasma to get a decent led.
Also, sorry for my crappy english, second language
Ghosting isn't a problem if there's no HUD right? Since I got employed I don't have the tele on for more than 90 mins at a time, occasionally break that on weekends.
I'm looking at a Pana TX-P42U30B (UK, so code may be quite different), not much cheaper than LED's to be honest.
I thought LED TV's were 'OK' for gaming and that it is LCD's which are awful. I've got a small LCD which I used as a computer/gaming monitor while studying and I must have very lazy eyes because I never had any criticisms. Didn't hamper my COD multiplaying experience either!
I'm going to visit the shops after work to check out the available range, but I shouldn't imagine it'll do much to sway me on the videogame front as they only ever play movies/sports!
cowden_harley
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So GAF for gaming LCD-LED only pro is less power consumption over standard LCD????
cowden_harley
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Cheers mate appreciate the reply.
I'd also say that LCD/LEDs are better for bright rooms. Plasmas tend to be darker, and also tend to use highly reflective glass panels (although the higher-end models supposedly have filters to combat that). I have heard, though, that a handful of LCDs are starting to use glass as well, so it depends on the model.
Anyway, I'd suggest you think about LCD/LED if the TV room has massive windows or whatever, unless you don't mind closing the curtains every time you game/watch. Or unless you're getting something high-end (e.g. Panny GT/VT). No point in having better PQ if you can't see it.
Would be nice to get some feedback, i just can't decide between these two tellys.
It would mostly be used for console gaming,movies.
1)Samsung 40inch UE40D5700 LCD-LED 1080p 100hz 560€.
2)Panasonic 42inch TX PF42G30 Plasma 1080p 600hz 623€
My previous tv was a samsung lcd that i never had any problems with.
It would mostly be used for console gaming,movies.
1)Samsung 40inch UE40D5700 LCD-LED 1080p 100hz 560€.
2)Panasonic 42inch TX PF42G30 Plasma 1080p 600hz 623€
My previous tv was a samsung lcd that i never had any problems with.
33-Hit-Combo
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I picked up a U30 Panasonic plasma, and want to play GT5 for say, 2 hours, should I worry about retention? I'm so scared!
Using the scrolling bar afterward. And if you're really paranoid about it, take small breaks every 30 minutes to use the scrolling bar for a minute or two.
I'm guessing this is the 929 in the US.
Local dimming does not work when set to game mode, making the full LED array that you spent so much money on irrelevant. When playing games, the picture you get will be comparable to the HX820 or the NX720. Sure you can opt to play games on different settings for local dimming, but expect an unacceptable amount of input lag. Sony sets have a lot of post processing going on to improve the picture (mainly for films), more so than other brands, so don't count on it being something you can get used to.
As a gaming television, I cannot recommend it. Not for the price it demands.
I have this TV and play on the "vivid" setting (full LED array enabled) with no noticeable input lag at all as long as you turn off all features after "Sharpness" (although I set "Reality Creation" to on for a sharper pixture). Since the full LED array setting is in the "Advanced Settings", which is unaccesible in "Vivid" mode, you couldn't turn off the LED array in this mode even if you wanted to.
Set the box to the native res of the TV.
Picked up my 55" ST30 on Monday and am working on D-Nice's slides. The wait is killing me.
So I'm thinking about picking up some 3d glasses to go with the set and figured I'd ask GAF about what glasses work well, and what some good content is to showcase it.
From what I understand the panasonic 3rd gen official glasses are the best, but they are around 2-3 times as expensive as other brands (though I have found a few sites selling them for around 60 bucks). So between the SainSonic, Xpand, and even the ps3 / sony brands.....does anyone have any experience with them and have a recommendation?
As far as content goes, I have a 360 and PS3 so any game / blu-ray that handled 3d particularly well would be great to know.
So I'm thinking about picking up some 3d glasses to go with the set and figured I'd ask GAF about what glasses work well, and what some good content is to showcase it.
From what I understand the panasonic 3rd gen official glasses are the best, but they are around 2-3 times as expensive as other brands (though I have found a few sites selling them for around 60 bucks). So between the SainSonic, Xpand, and even the ps3 / sony brands.....does anyone have any experience with them and have a recommendation?
As far as content goes, I have a 360 and PS3 so any game / blu-ray that handled 3d particularly well would be great to know.
Mattlikewhoa
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So my wife surprized me this morning by asking to go to a projector demo with me this weekend so "we can make a decision for the basement" for our new house...SWEET I got the greenlight so I'm running with it.
JVC X70 vs Sony VW95...It's going down!
Turn the tv off if you're going to be away from it for a prolonged period of time...
I have the 3rd gen Panny glasses and I have no real complaints about them. They are super light in weight, yet are sturdy. They hold a charge well and I haven't had to really fuss with them to set it up.
I've used the Xpand glasses on my friend projector setup and I don't like them at all. They were more dark then a lot of other brand glasses I've had the chance to use. The felt really cheap and were not comfortable for me to wear (I wear glasses). The Panasonic ones fit without me having to mess around with them on the bridge of my nose for half a movie.
JVC X70 vs Sony VW95...It's going down!
Turn the tv off if you're going to be away from it for a prolonged period of time...
I have the 3rd gen Panny glasses and I have no real complaints about them. They are super light in weight, yet are sturdy. They hold a charge well and I haven't had to really fuss with them to set it up.
I've used the Xpand glasses on my friend projector setup and I don't like them at all. They were more dark then a lot of other brand glasses I've had the chance to use. The felt really cheap and were not comfortable for me to wear (I wear glasses). The Panasonic ones fit without me having to mess around with them on the bridge of my nose for half a movie.
drugstore_cowboy
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Have you looked at DLP as you are going 3D?
I know the blacks are great with LCoS/D-ILA but I've seen crosstalk mentioned a few times with the tech.
I know the blacks are great with LCoS/D-ILA but I've seen crosstalk mentioned a few times with the tech.
Mattlikewhoa
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I've seen the Optoma HD8300 but that's about it. I'm not a fan of Benq's current offerings and the Mits 7800 was bland.
I currently have a DLP projector but I'm looking forward to getting back to LCOS displays. I'm going to miss the motion and ultra sharpness though...
I've seen both the Sony and the JVC and the 3D was not as terrible as people were making it out to be. My 3D usage is not high enough to place it super high on the list.
I currently have a DLP projector but I'm looking forward to getting back to LCOS displays. I'm going to miss the motion and ultra sharpness though...
I've seen both the Sony and the JVC and the 3D was not as terrible as people were making it out to be. My 3D usage is not high enough to place it super high on the list.
plasma
deadly premonition looks so much better on a plasma. people often call it a bad looking game...thats just isnt the case. its an amazing looking game you just need to have the right set up. if you want to game it out with deadly premonition i couldnt recommend a plasma enough OP...i bought one purely for deadly premonition and never looked back
deadly premonition looks so much better on a plasma. people often call it a bad looking game...thats just isnt the case. its an amazing looking game you just need to have the right set up. if you want to game it out with deadly premonition i couldnt recommend a plasma enough OP...i bought one purely for deadly premonition and never looked back
Wiz
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Agreed.
RoboFu
One of the green rats
I did this test recently myself. I bought both a new sony LED and Panasonic plasma. One for my gaming room and one for my living room. Being a techy and a gamer of course I tried out my consoles on each of them.
the verdict:
the Sony LED quite handily kicked the plasma's butt. The LED picture was bright vibrant and crisp where as the plasma was blurry and colors a little more subdued. Blacks on both were excellent but the whites and brighter colors were just so much better on the LED.
For me led all the way.
the verdict:
the Sony LED quite handily kicked the plasma's butt. The LED picture was bright vibrant and crisp where as the plasma was blurry and colors a little more subdued. Blacks on both were excellent but the whites and brighter colors were just so much better on the LED.
For me led all the way.
drugstore_cowboy
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Fair enough, I have only seen a D-ILA the once and the blacks were amazing, after that going back to dark scenes on my own setup was painful.
Did you spend much time with the 7800D? that was something I was looking at myself.
Did you spend much time with the 7800D? that was something I was looking at myself.
Which Panasonic did you buy?
RoboFu
One of the green rats
I suppose plasma might be cheaper, but cheap plasma is awful.
Cheap LCD it is. Whatever thats suitable for gaming. These small texts in newer games starting to become a pain on SD so I need to upgrade.
This is the TV that I have in the 65" model. The picture quality is superb and I bought it primarily for gaming and movies. It cost a fair bit but do not regret the purchase one bit. Sony very rarely let you down when it comes to their premium range of TV's. The opening of God of War 3 on the PS3 was fantastic and greatly enhanced by the picture this TV can display. I've seen this on a few other TV's but it really did look phenomenal on this Sony.
Mattlikewhoa
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I didn't spend a lot of time watching it because my current projector was a lot better then it. From what I had seen, the black levels were lacking. If you're looking to get into a LCOS display, AV Science has the JVC RS40 referbs for $1750! I'd take a look if you're looking for a cheaper projector that's 3D ready AND has a nice dark "inky" blacks.
Can I ask what you're running right now?
BoobPhysics101
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Ok guys, I can get a brand new Panasonic ST30 46" plasma from my friend for $600. He used it for a couple of hours and decided he wants an LCD. I can sell my LG 42" LD450 LCD S-IPS for $400. Should I grab the ST30?
drugstore_cowboy
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HC3800. The short thow, ANSI contrast and Mitsubishi's simple CIH solution did it for me, nice colour out of the box too. Only downsides are the blacks and colourwheel speed.
Monkeylord
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My TV (Samsung PN51D550 )suffers from MAD image retention.
I've been playing Lego Star Wars III most of the week, and every 20mins or so I have to pause it to run the screen-wipe for 5-10mins to get rid of the after image of the black circles from the corners of the screen (where it shows what character you're controlling).
Had the same problem with Dragon Age: Origins.
Ever since around Christmas time I noticed the Cartoon Network logo was showing up every time I started the Xbox (cos it's a pure white screen).
Not watched CN since then, but if I go up to the screen when it's pure white (like a couple of inches away) I can still just about see it. It's not a problem when we're watching anything, but just knowing it's still there infuriates me.
I'm also getting sick of my GF complaining (rightly so) that we can't watch what we want when we want incase we end up damaging the screen. We don't watch a huge amount of TV, but we play a lot of games and watch a lot of movies/TV shows on DVD and Blu Ray. We used to spend lazy Sunday afternoons going through entire anime series and what-not, but now we have to run the damn screen wipe for 5-10mins inbetween episodes if they're 4:3.
We bought it around September time, and I ran the break-in slides anytime we wasn't watching anything. The TV was on constantly for about 2 weeks because of this. All the settings were lowered as recommended.
I did remember there was a setting called "Cell Light" (the only one amongst the standard Contrast/Brightness/etc that was on a 1-20 scale rather than 1-100), so I turned that down last night from 16 to 12 and recalibrated accordingly. Hopefully that will help somewhat. I've had a look around but can't find any info on what the setting does (other than reduce the overall brightness of the picture) or if setting it lower will help me somewhat.
Anyone got any tips for me. I hate having spent all this money for an otherwise amazing TV and not actually be able to use it for fear of doing anything to permanently damage it (if it isn't already permanently damaged - thanks Cartoon Network, YOU FUCKERS!!!).
I've been playing Lego Star Wars III most of the week, and every 20mins or so I have to pause it to run the screen-wipe for 5-10mins to get rid of the after image of the black circles from the corners of the screen (where it shows what character you're controlling).
Had the same problem with Dragon Age: Origins.
Ever since around Christmas time I noticed the Cartoon Network logo was showing up every time I started the Xbox (cos it's a pure white screen).
Not watched CN since then, but if I go up to the screen when it's pure white (like a couple of inches away) I can still just about see it. It's not a problem when we're watching anything, but just knowing it's still there infuriates me.
I'm also getting sick of my GF complaining (rightly so) that we can't watch what we want when we want incase we end up damaging the screen. We don't watch a huge amount of TV, but we play a lot of games and watch a lot of movies/TV shows on DVD and Blu Ray. We used to spend lazy Sunday afternoons going through entire anime series and what-not, but now we have to run the damn screen wipe for 5-10mins inbetween episodes if they're 4:3.
We bought it around September time, and I ran the break-in slides anytime we wasn't watching anything. The TV was on constantly for about 2 weeks because of this. All the settings were lowered as recommended.
I did remember there was a setting called "Cell Light" (the only one amongst the standard Contrast/Brightness/etc that was on a 1-20 scale rather than 1-100), so I turned that down last night from 16 to 12 and recalibrated accordingly. Hopefully that will help somewhat. I've had a look around but can't find any info on what the setting does (other than reduce the overall brightness of the picture) or if setting it lower will help me somewhat.
Anyone got any tips for me. I hate having spent all this money for an otherwise amazing TV and not actually be able to use it for fear of doing anything to permanently damage it (if it isn't already permanently damaged - thanks Cartoon Network, YOU FUCKERS!!!).
I don't know man. Retention is just part of the plasma experience. My G20 has it too. Personally I don't care about it one bit since, like you say, it's basically only visible on a completely white background. Just get over it.
edit: Wait a minute. You can still see a logo for a channel you haven't watched since christmas? That doesn't sound like retention, it sounds like burn-in. Return that shit bro. You shouldn't have to run screen wipers and shit or be worried about how to use it. I use my G20 as my primary computer monitor and while there is retention, it doesn't stay long and I've NEVER noticed it except on a static background.
Monkeylord
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It's not just that, that's only minor and I acknowledge it as such. Annoying as all hell, but still minor.
The thing about not being able to watch anything with static elements (whether that be huds or borders) for more than 20mins or so without leaving retention that doesn't go away without 5-10mins of wiping is a real problem.
How can I enjoy a game or TV show or movie when I know that just by using them as intended I can be damaging the TV that I spent a large amount of money on?
See my edit, I didn't read your entire post and I fully agree with you.
Monkeylord
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Yeah, I was typing my reply and then got sidetracked by some actual work discussion, lol (I'm in the office atm).
Can't return it, it's been too long. That and the store made it VERY clear that issues related to image retention and/or burn in are not covered by either Samsung or Comet's (the store I bought it from) guarantees/warrenties.
Wonder if contacting Samsung directly (I did register it on their website) will yield anything more positive than a hearty laugh and instruction to go forth and multiply.
Can't return it, it's been too long. That and the store made it VERY clear that issues related to image retention and/or burn in are not covered by either Samsung or Comet's (the store I bought it from) guarantees/warrenties.
Wonder if contacting Samsung directly (I did register it on their website) will yield anything more positive than a hearty laugh and instruction to go forth and multiply.
I'm loving my ST30 55", but I pretty much hate the Sony Playstation branded 3D glasses I bought to go with them. They display reflections of anything behind you, and it always feels like I'm ever so slightly out of focus with them.
If you've got to get glasses to go with your panny plasma, I suggest going with something else, even if they are the cheapest option around.
If you've got to get glasses to go with your panny plasma, I suggest going with something else, even if they are the cheapest option around.
Musha_Soturi
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I had a 42" Sony Bravia LCD. Now I have a Samsung 51" Plasma 3D TV. And the Samsung is noticably better in picture and sound, wouldn't go back.
Well, I ended up ordering a couple pairs of the 3rd gen panny glasses. Unfortunately they are back ordered so it may take a month to get them, but I'm not in a big rush.
Haint
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Sounds fishy, be sure to check for green blobs/pink edges and floating brightness. He might be tryin to unload a bad sample he couldn't return.
eso76
Member
ok, so i've been thinking of getting a pana 50gt30 for months and it just dropped to 899 here...
still have a 720p 50" rptv sony and i have few complaints, but i need something thinner to put on a shelf due to some rearranging i'm doing the living room..
Was somewhat worried i might be bothered by 720p games being upscaled to 1080..
still have a 720p 50" rptv sony and i have few complaints, but i need something thinner to put on a shelf due to some rearranging i'm doing the living room..
Was somewhat worried i might be bothered by 720p games being upscaled to 1080..
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