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Should we boycott Shadow Complex?
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ShockingAlberto
Member
Card has made frequent, and rampant, accusations that homosexuality is a mental disorder that comes from being sexually abused as a child.
http://www.ornery.org/essays/warwatch/2004-02-15-1.html
If that doesn't cross the realm from "shithead" to "homophobe" for you, then I don't know what will.
This man fears homosexuality. He doesn't express it by crying in a corner, he expresses it by lashing out, which is a documented possible response to fear.
http://www.ornery.org/essays/warwatch/2004-02-15-1.html
If that doesn't cross the realm from "shithead" to "homophobe" for you, then I don't know what will.
This man fears homosexuality. He doesn't express it by crying in a corner, he expresses it by lashing out, which is a documented possible response to fear.
Ogrekiller
Member
tak said:
We should boycott this thread
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
Disney didn't like liberals and Jews. H.P. Lovecraft didn't like foreigners. Should we boycott Walt and Lovecraft too?
ZephyrFate
Banned
Neither of which used their royalties to fund any anti-liberal, Jew, or foreigner-based government policy. Card, however, did.Darkmakaimura said:
ShockingAlberto
Member
Both are also pretty dead.ZephyrFate said:
Between all the bickering and banning of homophobes there have been some quality posts in this thread that I'm glad to have had the opportunity to read. I know if this game comes to another platform I'll be donating to a gay rights cause before buying it, something I wouldn't have even considered before.Vinci said:
And to be fair, you weren't quite so neutral when the thread started.
Vinci said:
Orson Scott Card is pretty much a despicable individual. His brand of commentary is directly analogous to instances in the past where people of other creed, color, or cultures were regarded as inferior. Knowing that he has something to do with this product is enough to make me not want to purchase something I was looking forward to.
I am glad this thread existed to raise awareness about his involvement with the game and I hope the rest of the gaming community picks up on this and atleast inform people whom their money will be going to, in however insignificant an amount, with the purchase of the game.
I am glad this thread existed to raise awareness about his involvement with the game and I hope the rest of the gaming community picks up on this and atleast inform people whom their money will be going to, in however insignificant an amount, with the purchase of the game.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
Correct me if I am wrong and I'm willing to admit I am, but wasn't Disney part of sniffing out suspected communists, during that paranoia?ZephyrFate said:
ZephyrFate
Banned
Well, you are correct here, after I did some research:Darkmakaimura said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_Picture_Alliance_for_the_Preservation_of_American_Ideals
This was an anti-Communist motion picture alliance that often preached to the HUAC, which was an organization funded by McCarthy and used to, like you said, root out Communists.
So you're right there, but H.P. Lovecraft did nothing to fund any anti-anything political agenda. Plus, honestly, you won't find anyone from Walt Disney's era that wasn't anti-Communist in America. Not to say it was a good thing in general, though.
Certainly if you feel its important you should. And the 'its just a game' excuse isn't really a reason to let it slide over some other media form that he's deriving income from.
I certainly do avoid things like Tom Cruise films because I'd rather not see my money go to promoting the cult of scientology.
I certainly do avoid things like Tom Cruise films because I'd rather not see my money go to promoting the cult of scientology.
Divvy said:
Lovecraft's works are public domain right?
Now-a-days, Disney is involved in some pretty horrible patent law mangling, so you should feel some shame buying their products anyways. That and they market sex to children; which is more of a personal peeve than anything. It's not like they're a public institution, so I'll just do the same thing as I've done with other products I don't like and just not buy them. But on the same note, there is nothing wrong about informing consumers about what they're purchasing and that is why threads like this are good.
ShockingAlberto
Member
Hey.rainer516 said:
I had the biggest crush on Jasmine as a kid.
Ogrekiller
Member
Go back to OT.trinest said:
Ogrekiller
Member
Divvy said:
It did, then the mods decided to open it up again with a totally different aim in mind... then the whole thread got hijacked and people continued to read the OP and argue off that.
duckroll said:
duckroll said:
That didn't quite turn out the way he wanted it and the results speak for themselves. Oh well at least a few more trolls got banned.
Divvy said:
I'm pretty sure it was, I was just applauding the OP for bringing this stuff to light. It's like this:
Say you have two grocery stores in your neighborhood, but you find out one of the store owners is a racist. Well, you don't know him personally nor do you have the time to engage with him in conversation, you can at least choose not to shop there. But if you didn't know that information in the first place, you would not have made that decision. It's good to know stuff.
So if people hadn't seen this thread, they wouldn't be able to make the decision to not support somebody who they disagree with.
Phoenix Fang
Banned
Ardorx said:
It's bad because its not on the PS3.
Haha fucking christ, this kind of shit is the reason why I try to stay the hell away from the off topic side. So much concentrated stupid colliding all at once. Welp, I guess I'll have to live with shitty posters like Mercury Fred cumming onto my eyes with their terrible terrible posts in every forum I venture to from now on, like the acidic juices from a Mastodan's 6 foot long cock.
I've never heard of Shadow Complex before this though, might check it out and see what it's all about.
I've never heard of Shadow Complex before this though, might check it out and see what it's all about.
Ninja Moomin
Banned
rainer516 said:
Correct.
I despise that fact that the game has given him a promotional platform from which he can gain any sort of recognition or credibility.
Ninja Moomin
Banned
AkuMifune said:
the point you are missing is that - yes - people do hold this opinion and no one would argue that this freedom should be taken from them... as long as the don't harm others. but Card is a public figure who has actively campaigned to curry the opinion of opinion formers, etc and influence a political process that could impact on hundreds of thousands of decent people's lives.
is this really that hard to grasp?
Sure ... think what you like... but don't seek to harm anyone's civil liberty.
I maintain that if most of the defenders in this thread were people who would have their rights taken away in a flash by hateful people like this, then they'd see it differently.
As a gay man i find his position indefensible and i cannot in good conscience support any company who would openly promote him.
HocusPocus
Member
I bought 3 copies of it due to this thread. Your boycott failed.
Ninja Moomin
Banned
Ulairi said:
:lol
Ridiculous.
if it adds to his profile i will not support it. whatever 'it' is. The marketing campaign for SC has made a big deal out of his involvement.
it's not rocket science.
Neverender
Member
HocusPocus said:
you so bad
Mr. Durden
Banned
My reaction after reading the OP:
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
This is fucking ridiculous. The fact that no mod has closed this awful thread is a mystery to me. Who fucking cares that the guy that wrote the story to which this is inspired is homophobic, no one should care, because it doesn't fucking matter. It's an action game for fuck sake, with no homophobic messages, so stop the whining.
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
This is fucking ridiculous. The fact that no mod has closed this awful thread is a mystery to me. Who fucking cares that the guy that wrote the story to which this is inspired is homophobic, no one should care, because it doesn't fucking matter. It's an action game for fuck sake, with no homophobic messages, so stop the whining.
ZephyrFate
Banned
And another user completely misses the point.Mr. Durden said:
Never change, GAF.
MightyHedgehog
Member
Coins, ShockingAlberto, and other tireless promoters of the thread topic's logic, I suggest that, at this point, you just stop. You've more than made your points clear over and over again. The problem is that you've worn things out and gone and made yourselves crusaders. The merits of your thinking should be self-evident, but that doesn't mean most nor everyone should agree with your conclusion even if they agree with your basic issues. At this point, there is nothing new to uncover or expound upon, so, show some fucking dignity and gracefully leave the thread in peace as you might also exhibit your own unmistakable confidence in your beliefs by doing so. Surely, with the sheer volume of posts you've all made in this thread alone, there is no way that one could mistake your intentions or the logic behind them. And, at this point, if there is, they likely don't deserve your superlative efforts.
MvmntInGrn
Member
Actually it was closed and then opened again. Also try reading through more than the OP before declaring it all as whining.Mr. Durden said:
McBradders
NeoGAF: my new HOME
Blech, read this thread hours too late.
Not that I think I would have passed on SC due to OSC's (seemingly minimal?) involvement. I'm always, always conflicted over the issue of whether or not it's fine to like the art and not the artist and given that OSC is several steps removed from the game itself I find it even more difficult in this case.
I bought the game. I was unaware of OSC's views. I do not agree with them, but buying and enjoying the game doesn't make myself or anyone else who has done so a supporter of the man other than a small slice of a probably small royalty cheque.
Sorry.
Not that I think I would have passed on SC due to OSC's (seemingly minimal?) involvement. I'm always, always conflicted over the issue of whether or not it's fine to like the art and not the artist and given that OSC is several steps removed from the game itself I find it even more difficult in this case.
I bought the game. I was unaware of OSC's views. I do not agree with them, but buying and enjoying the game doesn't make myself or anyone else who has done so a supporter of the man other than a small slice of a probably small royalty cheque.
Sorry.
Forgive me for not reading all 29 pages of this thread, I only read the first.
I just wanted to say, while I am completely against homophobia, I don't think this is the right approach to protest your anti-homophobic sentiments. I don't agree with OSC's views at all, however I believe there are a lot of hardworking people behind Shadow Complex and I believe buying SC supports them more than it does OSC (if at all).
Anyway, from what I hear on Listen Up, it's not a bad game. I think the decision to purchase this game should be based on its merits, however it's interesting to know about OSC and his views, and I thank the OP for enlightening me about him.
I just wanted to say, while I am completely against homophobia, I don't think this is the right approach to protest your anti-homophobic sentiments. I don't agree with OSC's views at all, however I believe there are a lot of hardworking people behind Shadow Complex and I believe buying SC supports them more than it does OSC (if at all).
Anyway, from what I hear on Listen Up, it's not a bad game. I think the decision to purchase this game should be based on its merits, however it's interesting to know about OSC and his views, and I thank the OP for enlightening me about him.
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Deleted member 17706
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x3n05 said:
Exactly. I don't think you can really buy anything without some of the proceeds going to someone who you don't agree with or someone who is "bad". I guess it is just easier to not think about that when you don't know for sure who your money will go to.
Shadow Complex is an awesome game and the developers who made it definitely deserve a return on their hard work.
It's nice that so many people are in a position of privilege where they don't have to worry about their current lack of civil rights and so they can respond to things like this with, "LOL, you mad, OP?"
If I'd known about this, it would have given me pause, and I'd probably have honestly needed to think it over and maybe talk about it with some of my friends before I decided on whether or not to make the purchase. I know for a fact that there are other entertainment products I have enjoyed and supported because I agree with their essential principles where the people at the very top of the company had openly donated to Prop 8. It always leaves me feeling very dirty, but with massive companies it can be hard to not inevitably support the often crazy far right leaning fundamentalist. But in this case their long standing relationship with Card is pretty dubious.
In fact, unless things have changed, last I knew the head of Disney's live action film department is a lesbian.
If I'd known about this, it would have given me pause, and I'd probably have honestly needed to think it over and maybe talk about it with some of my friends before I decided on whether or not to make the purchase. I know for a fact that there are other entertainment products I have enjoyed and supported because I agree with their essential principles where the people at the very top of the company had openly donated to Prop 8. It always leaves me feeling very dirty, but with massive companies it can be hard to not inevitably support the often crazy far right leaning fundamentalist. But in this case their long standing relationship with Card is pretty dubious.
Divvy said:
In fact, unless things have changed, last I knew the head of Disney's live action film department is a lesbian.
Red Blaster
Member
minus_273 said:
Luckily for us, Will Wright hasn't made anything worth a damn since The Sims.
manueldelalas
Time Traveler
I definitely don't agree with you; I think that you are trying to impose your own view of things and you are proposing boycotting a game because of the personal view of one of its creators.Coins said:
Not everyone have to agree with the politically correct view of things of one time's moment. Opinions change with time; what is now viewed as good, may be viewed as bad in following years.
What you are proposing demonstrates your absolute intransigence in discussing themes. At least Card is open for discussion and has actual arguments instead of your boycotting to pressure him to change his opinion.
Your proposal is the follow up to the medieval way of dealing with problems; instead of trying to boycott him, you should try discussing with him and do something productive. It's because of intolerant people like you that we can't have a nice discussion; and I know you sill reply with some sophism shit, I don't care; just try to rebate him with ideas and fundamented opinions instead of your intransigent shit.