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[industrian]

Where is your source for this? Or is it just based on personal experience?

I prepared violent incident statistics on a weekly basis and had statistics that went back ten years. I had my eyes opened working there.

There's nothing stopping you* from making a Freedom of Information request to your local authority though. Write a letter to them asking to give you the breakdown of violent incidents against teaching staff for a set period and they'll have to respond to you or they face a fine.

*Unless you don't live in the UK.

 

[SmokyDave]

I prepared violent incident statistics on a weekly basis and had statistics that went back ten years. I had my eyes opened working there.

There's nothing stopping you* from making a Freedom of Information request to your local authority though. Write a letter to them asking to give you the breakdown of violent incidents against teaching staff for a set period and they'll have to respond to you or they face a fine.

*Unless you don't live in the UK.

He does, I can tell who lives in the UK from reading the posts. I honestly don't think the Americans / Continental Europeans would believe how fucked up our schools are with regards to behaviour and attitudes toward teachers.

Edit:

Regardless where you stand, one thing is for sure and that's the current policy is failing and (at least in this country) we are seeing anti-social behaviour from kids on the rise when they leave school. I'm sorry but there are some things I cannot accept in life and one of them is a person committed to teaching young children breaking down in tears in the middle of class because they feel unsafe and unprotected from some fucker in the back row

Definitely UK.

 

[soundahfekz]

No one is trying to encourage beating kids in general and I fear far too many people are failing to see the context behind this. It is about respect; something which is non-existent for many of the new generation in the corridors of their own schools, towards their own teachers. Someone perfectly illustrated how we as a society in an attempt to bond closer with our children have become too protective over them and as a result failed in our responsibilities to parent them. Parents are not meant to be your friends, they are meant to be the folks that raise you not only with food, water and shelter but with character. A sense of authority is paramount to that development but sadly there is rarely any amount of respect being demanded in schools.

With child abuse so prevalent in the media, teachers feel like they are walking on shattered glass. It only takes one to cry foul and an ignorant parent to seriously undermine that teachers position and if not that, then you can be certain any sign of respect people had for her to be washed away when a child takes that off them.

Corporal punishment isn't likely to change a childs behaviour and it'd be dangerous to conclude otherwise, however when there is an ever growing serious lack of respect, tolerance or even understanding for teachers (both from parents and kids) then it all does it erode the education system and aide in the corrosive development of spoiled arrogant children.

The cane is a suggestion in trying to introduce an element of that needed sense of authority and respect.

Regardless where you stand, one thing is for sure and that's the current policy is failing and (at least in this country) we are seeing anti-social behaviour from kids on the rise when they leave school. I'm sorry but there are some things I cannot accept in life and one of them is a person committed to teaching young children breaking down in tears in the middle of class because they feel unsafe and unprotected from some fucker in the back row

It would never happen. Parents are too 'proud' to let a teacher cane their kids, and there would be cases of abuse of said authority that would lead to the system being irradicated once again.

 

[Joel Was Right]

On somewhat of a related point:

Every hard-ass strict teacher I've ever personally known or been taught by has always had a class of achievers. I had a Maths tutor once, Ms X, and we had many characters in the class - the type to yell back at teachers aggressively and even swear at them.

On Monday mornings, I swear to God you could tell who didn't do their Math homework by the lack of eye contact with her being made. The class would be silent as death as she walked in and sat on her chair. Damn even those trouble makers began to have a strong respect for her NO BS policy.

Can anyone relate?

 

[Mama Robotnik]

There was a 5 year old kid with foetal alcohol syndrome in a class beating up kids and attacking teaching assistants on a nearly daily basis in the region where I worked. But still, if the government cannot give the kid the same standard of education as "normal" kids the kid's parents can sue. That is unless of course the government collects enough evidence to prove that it's impossible for the kid to obtain that level of education in his environment. Even then the "my son doesn't know any better, but you should be doing a better job!" argument comes into play.

Its very important for some parents to see their children as "normal", diversity be damned.

At a school I worked at, we had a kid with something-like seven different forms or epilepsy. He needed a TA with him at all times, in case he had a seizure and to make sure he didn't swallow his own tongue. He needed heavy medication to reduce the seizures, which dulled his ability to learn significantly. He also had to wear a protective helmet every day.

When it came to arranging swimming lessons for the class, he couldn't be included. The school didn't have the resources or money, it was far too dangerous for him. The parents fought the decision tooth-and-nail, arguing that it was fine, and safety was our problem. As a mainstream school there were no resources in place to accomodate these needs.

I stuggle to think of what benefits he got out of the mainstream education system.

 

[ToxicAdam]

Maybe the teachers (that receive abuse) just aren't cut out for the profession? In my experiences, the teachers that "lose their class" are often bad teachers. Or maybe they lose the class because of it's size. It's a little much to expect every teacher to handle 25-35 kids at one time.


Also, in America, the violent crime rate has been declining for years. Some suspect that is because of Roe v Wade, but maybe it has a little bit to do with eliminating corporal punishment in schools (and being more active in taking children away from abusive parents). Something to think about.

 

[Why would you do that?]

Wow, this thread won't end well...

Let me say this: As a kid, I was hit with the belt sometimes. As I got older, it was like "so what". Some Hispanic friends of mine say that their parents made them kneel on rice (they specifically said it was a Hispanic thing) and when they got older, it was like "so what". It wasn't bad, nor was it child abuse, nor did we hate our parents.

When I have kids, I personally wouldn't hit them, but if anyone chooses to do so to their kids, I don't care (as long as it isn't overboard... I personally haven't seen it, but know many parents do go overboard).

Here's what I think... Of all the kids who used to get hit at home, I would imagine most of them came out of it saying "I learned a thing or two about respect" or something similar, while still loving their parents, while a very small group said "Hitting kids is wrong, inhumane, and abuse".

As for whether or not schools should punish children in this way, I don't think so. Kids are all different, and I feel only a parent, who (hopefully) knows their kid best should make that decision of whether or not they should deal out that whoopin.

 

[rainking187]

Sounds like you just need to toughen up the rules at UK schools. At my high school if you got into any sort of physical altercation with a teacher/other student you were fucking gone.

 

[industrian]

He does, I can tell who lives in the UK from reading the posts. I honestly don't think the Americans / Continental Europeans would believe how fucked up our schools are with regards to behaviour and attitudes toward teachers.

I think you've got a classic case of mean world syndrome there pal. Believe it or not, most kids in our schools are there to learn and they like their teachers. If not, there would have been a strike or small rebellion by teaching staff now.

Most violent incidents come from the same students every time. Think back to when you were at school and remember how many dickheads were in your class. It's exactly the same case now, only there's more transparency and more willingness from the teachers to report it combined with more availability from the media to publish it.

 

[Muerte_X]

No one is trying to encourage beating kids in general and I fear far too many people are failing to see the context behind this. It is about respect; something which is non-existent for many of the new generation in the corridors of their own schools, towards their own teachers. Someone perfectly illustrated how we as a society in an attempt to bond closer with our children have become too protective over them and as a result failed in our responsibilities to parent them. Parents are not meant to be your friends, they are meant to be the folks that raise you not only with food, water and shelter but with character. A sense of authority is paramount to that development but sadly there is rarely any amount of respect being demanded in schools.

With child abuse so prevalent in the media, teachers feel like they are walking on shattered glass. It only takes one to cry foul and an ignorant parent to seriously undermine that teachers position and if not that, then you can be certain any sign of respect people had for her to be washed away when a child takes that off them.

Corporal punishment isn't likely to change a childs behaviour and it'd be dangerous to conclude otherwise, however when there is an ever growing serious lack of respect, tolerance or even understanding for teachers (both from parents and kids) then it all does it erode the education system and aide in the corrosive development of spoiled arrogant children.

The cane is a suggestion in trying to introduce an element of that needed sense of authority and respect.

Regardless where you stand, one thing is for sure and that's the current policy is failing and (at least in this country) we are seeing anti-social behaviour from kids on the rise when they leave school. I'm sorry but there are some things I cannot accept in life and one of them is a person committed to teaching young children breaking down in tears in the middle of class because they feel unsafe and unprotected from some fucker in the back row

This. Kids need to learn some damned respect, hell, there's a lot of grown up's that would benefit from this time of punishment, lol. Seriously.

It's not about beating the absolute shit out of them so they can't walk, it's so they learn respect and learn not to act like a POS. And it wouldn't be OMG a STRANGER!?! You would know the principle or person or teachers that would be doing it, it's a simple concept, it's not as if you're immediately allowing every random stranger to be doing it.

I hate to think about how things have become, I saw a news report the other day about a teacher that had to literally drag a little kid that was being an asshole to the principal's office because he refused to walk there, and there was a huge outrage against the teacher. Parent's were horrified. If it were my kid, I'd be pissed, and want to know wtf he did to get in trouble. If a student flat out refuses to do anything asked by the teacher, even leave the room and go to the principals office, what are they supposed to do? Call the parents, and hope that they can show up and then wait for them? That's not even close to being realistic.

 

[ianp622]

The cane is a suggestion in trying to introduce an element of that needed sense of authority and respect.

So you have respect for anyone who hits you with their stick? Interesting.

 

[SmokyDave]

I think you've got a classic case of mean world syndrome there pal. Believe it or not, most kids in our schools are there to learn and they like their teachers. If not, there would have been a strike or small rebellion by teaching staff now.

Most violent incidents come from the same students every time. Think back to when you were at school and remember how many dickheads were in your class. It's exactly the same case now, only there's more transparency and more willingness from the teachers to report it.

You're probably right. To elaborate, my partner trained for years and poured her heart and soul into becoming a teacher. I supported her throughout, especially during the fraught PGCE period, only to watch her thrown into a fucking zoo full of scum that barely give her the time of day.

Having said that, I know there are a lot of good kids out there. It'd help them to have the bad apples dealt with too.

I completely disagree with the second bolded bit though.

 

[Joel Was Right]

Meus: So do you think teachers should be able to hit bad students?
His mom: If you were misbehaving, I'd call your tutor up and ask them to hold you down until I get there with two belts. One for me, and for her.

So you have respect for anyone who hits you with their stick? Interesting.

What's more interesting is your lack of comprehension in this topic

 

[joelseph]

I honestly don't think the Americans / Continental Europeans would believe how fucked up our schools are with regards to behaviour and attitudes toward teachers.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/04/22/eveningnews/main4036098.shtml

"Public school students in Chicago aren't as worried about making the grade as they are about making it home alive..."

 

[Mama Robotnik]

Can I ask again: Do any of the pro-cane people actually work in schools in a classroom/teaching role?

I'm a qualified teacher (though currently employed in another profession due to lack of teaching jobs in my area). I know a lot of teachers, I've worked with a lot of them. And I cannot think of a single one who would like this implemented. Even if by sheer madness it was legalised, I can't see any of them doing it.

Teachers and classroom assistants, the ones on the Front fucking Lines, who know the job better than anyone, do not think that caning is a viable option. So who does?

 

[SmokyDave]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/04/22/eveningnews/main4036098.shtml

"Public school students in Chicago aren't as worried about making the grade as they are about making it home alive..."

Oh I know American schools have their problems, the important part of the sentence was 'towards teachers'. That article is student on student violence which is totally different.

Can I ask again: Do any of the pro-cane people actually work in schools in a classroom/teaching role?

I know at least two teachers that believe corporal punishment should be re-instated however,

A; You'll just say they are bad teachers.

B; For a teacher to admit they'd like the cane back would be career suicide, see point A.

 

[Jasup]

Discipline comes in to play when all else fails. The argument should not be about what kind of last resort there should be, but why does all else fail and how to address the problems there. It's easy to say "cane the kids" but it doesn't solve anything in the end.

 

[Kinitari]

I really am curious as to whether or not anyone actually thinks that the cane will deter students from beating up their teachers?

 

[ahoyhoy]

I'm betting those teachers who get kicked down the stairs wouldn't be able to defend themselves with a switch against whatever inner-city punks are hassling them.

 

[industrian]

You're probably right. To elaborate, my partner trained for years and poured her heart and soul into becoming a teacher. I supported her throughout, especially during the fraught PGCE period, only to watch her thrown into a fucking zoo full of scum that barely give her the time of day.

Having said that, I know there are a lot of good kids out there. It'd help them to have the bad apples dealt with too.

Now that I'm a teacher myself I can empathise. Most days are ok, but some classes just drain the soul out of you. Now obviously no Korean 13-16 year old will take a swing at a 6'7" Scotsman, but when I see the kids just drifting away and not paying any attention (40 students in a class BTW) it kinda makes me lose hope. Then I get a good class and I feel better.

I completely disagree with the second bolded bit though.

It depends on place to place, but I'm willing to bet that a shit school ten years ago is still a shit school now (I remember my dad telling me about his primary school - he showed me a picture of his P7 class and told me "out of the 28 people in this photo, only three are not in jail. I'm one of them, and the other two are the teachers and they're dead.)

Either that or you're an auld guy who went to a proper school.

 

[DCharlie]

went to a rough school in the north of england

around 1989-1990 , the teachers found themselves basically neutered.

And , well... children know better than anyone how to abuse a system, so the balance of power shifted - for the year i was in it was somewhat weird.

The bullies were bored - i played rugby with them so i got to talk to them about it - their whole thing was that there was no thrill in being caught any more and that they missed the excitement (!)

... where as the people who came through in the following years basically knew that they were effectively untouchable and they could be as big a dick as they wanted to be.

I wouldn't say bringing back the cane is the solution, but some sort of middle ground where the student/teachers aren't shit scared of each other is where we need to be.

in a slightly off topic note, i'm more concerned with the UK's obsession with pedophilia. Did yee know that you cannot take photos or videos of your own children in any school play/panto etc because, well, it's likely that you or one of the other parents is a filthy pedo and blanket punishing everyone and you not having any record of your childs formative years is a small price to pay for this new found "safety" ?

 

[industrian]

I really am curious as to whether or not anyone actually thinks that the cane will deter students from beating up their teachers?

If introduced early enough it does. That's the problem with re-implementing it - it's hard to go back to year zero when it comes to corporal punishment.

In Korea, there's no cane in elementary/primary school. In middle school there is (I'm not sure about high school.) I've seen some students forced into the stress position as a punishment, not to mention seeing kids with bruises on their arms from being whacked.

And yes, it's a good deterrent here. Too good in fact. Some students are conditioned to responding to the cane and not the teacher.

 

[Ela Hadrun]

I'm betting those teachers who get kicked down the stairs wouldn't be able to defend themselves with a switch against whatever inner-city punks are hassling them.

Pretty much.

I don't think swatting people earns you their respect.

You know why I don't think kids respect teachers? Because no one fucking respects teachers. Not because of what happens in the classroom, but because as a culture we think teachers are could-have-beens who didn't make it and have to spend their time being meddlesome babysitters all day.

 

[ksan]

Yep, caning is good...

If you are a third world dictatorship.

 

[Esch]

What fucking school lets teachers get pushed down stairs?

Anyway, this is ridiculous.

 

[industrian]

Pretty much.

I don't think swatting people earns you their respect.

You know why I don't think kids respect teachers? Because no one fucking respects teachers. Not because of what happens in the classroom, but because as a culture we think teachers are could-have-beens who didn't make it and have to spend their time being meddlesome babysitters all day.

Again with Korea:

In Confucian culture, teachers are respected members of society. May 15th is Teacher's Day over here and students bring their teachers presents and stuff. Hell, a few days during the summer some kid's parents made me lunch.

 

[WedgeX]

Maybe the teachers (that receive abuse) just aren't cut out for the profession? In my experiences, the teachers that "lose their class" are often bad teachers. Or maybe they lose the class because of it's size. It's a little much to expect every teacher to handle 25-35 kids at one time.


Also, in America, the violent crime rate has been declining for years. Some suspect that is because of Roe v Wade, but maybe it has a little bit to do with eliminating corporal punishment in schools (and being more active in taking children away from abusive parents). Something to think about.

That's a great, unexplored theory. If you've ever wondered about getting your PhD...you might want to explore it in education. It'd be a good counter point to what Levitt attributed the decline to, or at least another factor that certainly has gone unexplored.

Respect is all about setting a good example of how to behave and treating others the same. Trying to instill "respect" through fear and intimidation will not work. Those who actually threaten teachers will not learn to "respect" their teacher through beatings. Maybe they will be cowed into submission while in the classroom, but it does not address the underlying issues of the child, nor does it provide a long term solution.

 

[Jasup]

You know why I don't think kids respect teachers? Because no one fucking respects teachers. Not because of what happens in the classroom, but because as a culture we think teachers are could-have-beens who didn't make it and have to spend their time being meddlesome babysitters all day.

Yeah, what do teachers do anyway? Read children books they have themselves and write some topics on the blackboard. ANYONE COULD DO IT!

Respect is all about setting a good example of how to behave and treating others the same. Trying to instill "respect" through fear and intimidation will not work. Those who actually threaten teachers will not learn to "respect" their teacher through beatings. Maybe they will be cowed into submission while in the classroom, but it does not address the underlying issues of the child, nor does it provide a long term solution.

Yes, there's a difference being authoritative and authoritarian. You can be one without being the other.

 

[Fantasmo]

Caning, or any physical punishment, only responds to the problem but it doesn't fix it.

Want better behaved kids?

*Deep breath*

Pour way more money into public schools to hire better teachers, build better facilities so children have access to everything they need, make the ratio of students to teacher far smaller so each student get's a better, more personalised education, completely remove high stakes testing and devolution of schools, remove all business funding to schools so they stop becoming lessons on being good consumers rather than citizens, have a broad spectrum of subjects to teach, not just science, basic english, math and revisionist history, greater focus on hands-on learning and playtime with proper recesses and physical activities, re-introduce a focus on a progressive education, i.e., looking at social issues, minimise the focus on test scores and instead urge class participation and critical thinking over basic parroting.

Phew.

I love your ideas but this doesn't guarantee anything either. Parenting, peers, and environment growing up play a huge role in whether this works or not. I've seen some kids get the best there is to offer and end up complete wastes or functioning wastes. A couple people come to mind immediately, my former self included.

There are no guarantees because learning starts practically at birth and it's basically impossible to have that environment "controlled".

EDIT: I'd definitely say it's a fantastic method though as it helped me grow in a lot of ways. A few standout college professors I had were very progressive in that sense. A lot of my teachers assigned fun projects, graded for in class participation, and had quizzes at the beginning of each class on the former lesson.

This worked very well because the class participation was graded on effort and creating an environment where everyeone felt comfortable speaking up, ie - there was no wrong or bad or stupid question. The teacher also began by starting to say something and allowing and / or "forcing" various students to answer, plus participation counted for 20 or 30 percent of your grade.

 

[quinntendopower]

i got hit with a ruler a few times by a nun, and the ONLY thought that ever ran through my young mind was to destroy her in battle.

a friend of mine works at a bad inner city school, and he's a powerlifter. he has literally had to suplex kids who think they can take him just to get their respect.

it's nuts out there. i guess it depends on the school, but some of these kids are fucking animals and 6 feet tall when they are 12

 

[Aylinato]

That's a great, unexplored theory. If you've ever wondered about getting your PhD...you might want to explore it in education. It'd be a good counter point to what Levitt attributed the decline to, or at least another factor that certainly has gone unexplored.

Respect is all about setting a good example of how to behave and treating others the same. Trying to instill "respect" through fear and intimidation will not work. Those who actually threaten teachers will not learn to "respect" their teacher through beatings. Maybe they will be cowed into submission while in the classroom, but it does not address the underlying issues of the child, nor does it provide a long term solution.

QFT.



Not to mention the kids with the learning disabilities have, in those schools, fallen through the cracks and do not pay attention in class due to being constantly turned off by the education system which neglected to take appropriate measures to ensure that they would be on the same footing as normal kids.

 

[Monocle]

The original poster should be ashamed for seriously considering such a backward idea. Corporal punishment doesn't teach "respect." Victims of physical coercion may develop a conditioned response of complacency as a defense mechanism, but that's not the same thing. You can't beat a person into sincerely admiring your character.

If I had more time I'd make a proper post on this subject with citations to support my argument (if you want a head start, read a paper by any prominent psychologist on the effects of physical or emotional trauma on children, or people in general). For now I hope it will be enough to point out that history does not make a favorable case for institutionalized abuse. Cruelty begets pain and anger and more cruelty. It's a story that has played out thousands of times in exactly the same way. The cycle doesn't stop until people decide to grow up start treating each other with civility.

 

[Joel Was Right]

That's a great, unexplored theory. If you've ever wondered about getting your PhD...you might want to explore it in education. It'd be a good counter point to what Levitt attributed the decline to, or at least another factor that certainly has gone unexplored.

Respect is all about setting a good example of how to behave and treating others the same. Trying to instill "respect" through fear and intimidation will not work. Those who actually threaten teachers will not learn to "respect" their teacher through beatings. Maybe they will be cowed into submission while in the classroom, but it does not address the underlying issues of the child, nor does it provide a long term solution.

With all due respect, and whilst I am hesitant to draw use any conclusive language, suggesting that "instilling" respect does not work is not true or at least not accurate in this context. For impressionable young people who struggle to understand authority being firm with them can sometimes lead to positive results. At the same time, it may not affect their behaviour or it could even worsen it. Either way you cannot claim that using corporal punishment is destructive anymore than I could claim it is constructive

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

Why do your threads always suck? It's always some nonsense "debate" about some extremist action.

 

[gohepcat]

It starts in the home. In the 50's it was commonpalce for kids to fear their parents and figures of authority, but since the "Peace, Love" generation started having kids, and their kids starting having kids, they became more enamored with having their kids think they were cool parents than in actually raising responsible, respectful kids. I think it finally hit a crescendo in the mid-90's until now when parents started having their kids call their friends parents "Mr. Steve" versus "Mr. Smith."

Hell, I'm still not comfortable calling my parents friends by their first names and I'm almost in my mid-30's.

Yea that's why all that crime rose all through the.....ohh wait, it's gone down and down and down every year.

WTF people. Children today are MUCH better behaved than they were 30 years ago

 

[will123456]

No way. Why should I permit some stranger to assault my kids ?

 

[-COOLIO-]

it worked on me

 

[Inflammable Slinky]

With all due respect, and whilst I am hesitant to draw use any conclusive language, suggesting that "instilling" respect does not work is not true or at least not accurate in this context. For impressionable young people who struggle to understand authority being firm with them can sometimes lead to positive results. At the same time, it may not affect their behaviour or it could even worsen it. Either way you cannot claim that using corporal punishment is destructive anymore than I could claim it is constructive

You're ignoring the point over and over again. Let me write it for you in bold.

If a child does not respect the entire institution of education already, why would they respect a stick?

Or, more specific

Do you really think a punk aint gonna take a swing at a teacher just because they got a pussy little stick?

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

With all due respect, and whilst I am hesitant to draw use any conclusive language, suggesting that "instilling" respect does not work is not true or at least not accurate in this context. For impressionable young people who struggle to understand authority being firm with them can sometimes lead to positive results. At the same time, it may not affect their behaviour or it could even worsen it. Either way you cannot claim that using corporal punishment is destructive anymore than I could claim it is constructive

Yes you can. It's called using data and facts, things you usually like to use when arguing a point.

Oh I know American schools have their problems, the important part of the sentence was 'towards teachers'. That article is student on student violence which is totally different.



I know at least two teachers that believe corporal punishment should be re-instated however,

A; You'll just say they are bad teachers.

B; For a teacher to admit they'd like the cane back would be career suicide, see point A.

While your point has some validity you can't use it as a cover all shield or you're being exactly what you are mocking. Also, by your point most people wouldn't want to express negatively perceived ideas but then again then no teachers would ever have any negative ideas by that logic.

 

[Kentpaul]

its to late for that in scotland if the teacher was to pull out the cane the youngster would put out a knife

 

[WickedAngel]

You don't have to spank your children to teach respect. Unfortunately, you do have to do something and most parents aren't willing. A lot of parents expect everyone else to do their jobs for them and find a scapegoat to pin the failure on as soon as that plan falls through.

 

[gohepcat]

With all due respect, and whilst I am hesitant to draw use any conclusive language, suggesting that "instilling" respect does not work is not true or at least not accurate in this context. For impressionable young people who struggle to understand authority being firm with them can sometimes lead to positive results. At the same time, it may not affect their behaviour or it could even worsen it. Either way you cannot claim that using corporal punishment is destructive anymore than I could claim it is constructive

It is absolutely brutal to read your tripe. You are so egotistical that when people post counters to your inane rambling you just breeze right over it. I've never seen you even intelligently acknowledge a counter argument.

How do you raise a good child?

Why not look at what successful people do, and what unsuccessful people do?

The latest studies indicate that the most important stage in human development is age 0-3. If you nurture curiosity, consistently discourage bad behavior and consistently encourage good behavior during that time, your job becomes MUCH easier for the next 16 years.

Poor people stay poor, successful people stay successful...why do you think this happens? Do you think that educated wealthy families hit their kids more often? Obviously not.

 

[LCGeek]

Get violent kids out of school. Like people said this is a result of a bigger problem which is a lot of shitty self absorbed parents not doing what they should be doing.

 

[gohepcat]

Seriously people. All of the answers to these things are out there. Just look at the stats.

OP...you live in a shithole. Move somewhere nice and you will rarely see those things that you describe.

 

[Prine]

Everyone here that is responsible and respectful. Ask yourselves, what makes you respect others? What examples were set in your lifetime that you picked up and used?

For me its religion, culture and the ever present danger of a beating from my parents.

It worked for me, and i'll be using it on my children too.

 

[Veidt]

I'm more of a belt/wire man. And yes. I will beat my children if they do stupid shit. But only belt beatings. Because it worked on me.

 

[harSon]

Seriously people. All of the answers to these things are out there. Just look at the stats.

OP...you live in a shithole. Move somewhere nice and you will rarely see those things that you describe.

With his description, assuming he lives in the United States, I'm assuming he lives in the inner city. From experience, I can tell you that nobody chooses to live in these types of places.

 

[AVclub]

I send my child to school so he can learn things while my wife and I are working. I don't expect school to teach morality or religion or even social skills. Those things are a parent's job. If my kid comes to the school and disrupts it, then he should be removed from the school.

The day a teacher hurts my child is the day I hurt a teacher. If he brings a cane, I'll bring a bat.

 

[GoutPatrol]

Get violent kids out of school. Like people said this is a result of a bigger problem which is a lot of shitty self absorbed parents not doing what they should be doing.

And put them...where?

 

[AVclub]

And put them...where?

That isn't government's concern. It's the parent's responsibility to deal with their children.