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Not really getting my panties in a twist, but if Konami ain't sellin' what I want, I ain't buyin'.
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Silent Hill HD Collection's new SH2 voices revealed
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Not really getting my panties in a twist, but if Konami ain't sellin' what I want, I ain't buyin'.
brandonh83
Banned
I just don't see how it's a big deal. It's not like the voice acting in the original game made the story or the depth or the atmosphere or the music great. There's a slew of reasons why the SH games are good and the voice acting isn't exactly one of them. If the games were known for their impeccable voice work, that would be another thing entirely. Maybe.
legacyzero
Banned
Typographenia said:
Mary did Ace Combat 6? Ugh. Now I'm convinced at how horrible she is. The VO in that game was terribad.
faceless007
Member
LOL at her rendition of Angela. She's totally right.legacyzero said:Update:
Mary Elizabeth McGlynn weighs in.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pl7rAQuf10Eb
Wow. I hate this woman. And I hate Tomm Hulett too.
Same here in the sense that I never was impressed by the voice acting in those game, but I imagine the lip movements and overall body language won't fit quite as well now.brandonh83 said:
Not that it matters much to me, really: there's a bunch of HD ports I know I'll be getting, and this isn't on the list. The first game is still my favorite, and I wouldn't trust the current team with a remake, or even a port of it anyway.
She sure does. I don't know what's been going on exactly, but that sort of stuff doesn't exactly make me go "god, I'd like to reward those people! take my money!".Ostinatto said:
Broder Salsa
Banned
Ostinatto said:
Not to forget with anti aliasing. *brofists*
MoonsaultSlayer
Member
Seriously, after boasting about how deep, dark, and atmospheric sh2 is to my wife, I get to the cemetary scene with Angela and an awkwardness crept over me and she sort of had a cringe face at how bad that scene was. I'm all for new voices despite my love for the original package.
sublimit
Banned
Typographenia said:
I don't care even if she is the Pope of Rome.Personally i never liked her voice.
She's rude and with an overblown ego.Just like the other new guy who's voicing James.And please don't bother listing his work,i know what he had done and i don't care.
These people think that just because they have more experience than other actors before them it automatically gives them the right to talk shit about them.
It's the typical western phenomenon of people thinking they are "stars" or something just because they got a few more gigs than others.lolz really.
BatmanBatmanBatman said:
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take a look of maria's real pics
http://www.facebook.com/marymariaoriginal?sk=photos
so she is the face model and the voice of maria and mary ? impressive
I think the problem here is how voice actors are paid working games compared to animated movies or television shows. I'm sure Sam Worthington will be paid for his performance in Avatar for the rest of his life.
Mary Elizabeth McGlynn explained if very well at the beginning of that video in that video game voice actors almost never get paid royalties for their work, mostly because the job itself can be done by just about anyone. They get paid once, usually a set amount, and any attempts at getting any benefits are shot down.
Anyone remember a few years ago when the voice actor for Nico in GTA IV spoke out against Rockstar only paying him $100,000 for his 15 months of work. It was his breakthrough performance and his first major role and he did a truly amazing job, but he probably realized too late that he should have tried to get paid little bit more out of it. And while you may think he's just the only one speaking up about the issue here, some other voice actor that seems to be pretty popular, is pretty ok with not receiving any royalties for his work.
Now I'm no Silent Hill fan (haven't play any of the games) but this Cihi guy is the one at fault for exactly what you guys are bummed about with this re-release. And then to go post something on his Facebook page way too late for it to matter was just a shitty attempt at trying to stay in the good graces of the fans.
This is a problem in the game industry that will hopefully work itself out sooner rather than later, but games are still in their infancy compared to movies, so we still have some time. I have no idea what the industry can do to work this out this issue and get it more in-line with movies, but I hope they can figure it out.
Mary Elizabeth McGlynn explained if very well at the beginning of that video in that video game voice actors almost never get paid royalties for their work, mostly because the job itself can be done by just about anyone. They get paid once, usually a set amount, and any attempts at getting any benefits are shot down.
Anyone remember a few years ago when the voice actor for Nico in GTA IV spoke out against Rockstar only paying him $100,000 for his 15 months of work. It was his breakthrough performance and his first major role and he did a truly amazing job, but he probably realized too late that he should have tried to get paid little bit more out of it. And while you may think he's just the only one speaking up about the issue here, some other voice actor that seems to be pretty popular, is pretty ok with not receiving any royalties for his work.
Now I'm no Silent Hill fan (haven't play any of the games) but this Cihi guy is the one at fault for exactly what you guys are bummed about with this re-release. And then to go post something on his Facebook page way too late for it to matter was just a shitty attempt at trying to stay in the good graces of the fans.
This is a problem in the game industry that will hopefully work itself out sooner rather than later, but games are still in their infancy compared to movies, so we still have some time. I have no idea what the industry can do to work this out this issue and get it more in-line with movies, but I hope they can figure it out.
Ofcourse she's taking Konami's side, but she does have more than a point there.legacyzero said:Update:
Mary Elizabeth McGlynn weighs in.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pl7rAQuf10Eb
Wow. I hate this woman. And I hate Tomm Hulett too.
Also wow, the original Mary/Maria was damn good, to be a non-actress.
And beyond this, the new HD realese seem to be a crappy job from a technical standpoint, far worst than the PC version, so.. the voices are not the main problem.
But he did get paid. I don't understand. This is, as McGlynn puts it, a non-union buyout situation.legacyzero said:
Do you think Konami should just go back and pay him out of respect/generosity? What should they pay him? What should they pay everyone else?
If she is portraying things accurately--and I don't know that she is entirely (I doubt Konami went back to each actor and asked, but it does make sense that they at least went back to Guy Cihi)-- then this is cut and dry.
The SH2/3 cast have no recourse or right to anything. Konami is changing the voices to avoid a lawsuit. And that is the real shame.
Silent Hill 2, to me, is a top 5 game of all time. It is a brilliant masterwork in the horror genre. I am a huge fan of the series. And I do not understand the way the fanbase is behaving at all.
Guy Cihi: ohh nooo, ex-bankers run Konami. Not ex-bankers. What a douche.
Broder Salsa
Banned
Ostinatto said:
Mary met Konishiki!
Typographenia
Member
Maybe it has something more to do with getting death threats, the old voice actors stirring up the fan base, or just wanting to do their jobs in the midst of all this stuff they didn't have any part in the first place? I don't think it's great to be making light of the previous actors' work like that, but it's fairly understandable why they can seem so frustrated with all of this and taking it out like that.sublimit said:
Plus the being in front of her crowd and putting on a show for them.
I'm fairly certain I remember reading that she did have stage experience (and maybe more?), recently.UrbanRats said:
OpinionatedCyborg
Member
wow the dialogue is even shittier than I remembered it. the voice acting could be top notch and it would still sound like shit.
Y2Kev said:
Nerd rage is the worst rage. This is like Tales fans boycotting Tales games for stupid reasons.
Guy Cihi is a douchebag and he showed it in more than one occasion, I'm more amazed by the people siding with him.
I wasn't interested in buying the collection since I'm fine with the original versions, but this rage against the game is so fucking stupid I'm gonna buy it day 1 just to support Konami.
I don't know about him being a douchebag, but I'm certainly not convinced by his argument at all... Still, the way McGlynn handled the issue was terrible (if you guys are in the right, that should be enough! just explain what happened, no need to act like that). Sure, it's not like that's in her job description, but still...Kikujiro said:
CadetMahoney
Member
I'll probably pick this up when it's under $20 used.
Don't know if anyone else saw this, but there's a video comparison for anyone who is interested. http://youtu.be/7GKtsHcJOMI There's also some fb petition. Yeah. http://www.facebook.com/pages/Silent-Hill-2-VO-petition/253525734680141?sk=wall
Typographenia
Member
I doubt that will ever happen, as much as I would love for it to.Ellis Kim said:
Would it really make things better, at this point? I mean, it would make someone like me happy, but what about the really offended fans?
I recently replayed Silent Hill 2 on PC. I remember liking the voice acting fine back when I played it on PS2 all those years ago. But nowadays....they're pretty bad. A bunch of deliveries are just so terrible. About the only good voice acting was James. And even he sounded bored the whole game.
It makes me sad when I see people defending the voice acting of Silent Hill 2. Just give it up. The game is good yes, but the voice acting is nothing to write home about. From the snippets of Silent Hill 2 HD, I like the new voice acting way better.
It makes me sad when I see people defending the voice acting of Silent Hill 2. Just give it up. The game is good yes, but the voice acting is nothing to write home about. From the snippets of Silent Hill 2 HD, I like the new voice acting way better.
Y2Kev said:
According to Maria's VA, when they were signing "contracts" (Cihi said it was all only verbal agreements, they've received no written contracts) Konami said that the game "was ONLY to be released in the US and ONLY for one game ". So whether or not it's normal to not pay VA for various rereleases, Konami didn't play fair play back then too.
Not picking sides though, both McGlynn and the new James' VA handle the situation terribly; mocking and trash talking are very immature.
I love McGlynn's take on Angela's original voice though :lol. They will have a really hard time redoing her voice while trying to keep the original pace.
Sir Ilpalazzo
Member
Bit-Bit said:
Well, Maria's new voice is certainly worse than the original at least. I can't see how people are defending her new voice (although arguably she had the best / only good VA in the original).
brandonh83
Banned
The only thing I'm concerned about is the ending monologue.
Mr. Enigma
Member
It would be cool of Troy Baker and Mary McGlynn just shut the fuck up about the whole thing. Talking shit publicly about Guy Cihi is only going to rile up the hardcore fans even more.
It looks even worse considering how interactive and appreciative Cihi is to all of the SH2 fans on Facebook. He seems like a geniunely good dude. The guy is rolling in money due to his business in Japan and does tons of charity work. It's not like he's doing this to keep his name out there.
It looks even worse considering how interactive and appreciative Cihi is to all of the SH2 fans on Facebook. He seems like a geniunely good dude. The guy is rolling in money due to his business in Japan and does tons of charity work. It's not like he's doing this to keep his name out there.
legacyzero
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Y2Kev said:
Here's my trouble with the whole thing, though... Why spend the money for the new VO when they could have just gave that to the original cast. I'm sure Guy isn't that big a douche that he wouldn't accept it. I mean, he DID just give up his rights to Konami in order to Keep the game right/save face. Whichever it is, it doesn't seem that money is that big an issue.
My opinion is that Konami is going to way too much trouble for this, when they could have cut the same check to the original cast and avoided all this.
SolidSnakex
Member
Mr_Zombie said:
It's stuff like this that makes the claims from the original voice actors so hard to believe. It's a Japanese developed game, but they aren't going to release it in Japan? Come on!
legacyzero
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Erigu said:
It's never too late. It all comes down to them being at odds now.
SolidSnakex
Member
legacyzero said:
Why would Konami ever want to deal with Cihi again?
legacyzero
Banned
SolidSnakex said:
To me, it's not about their retarded feud. It's about the game and preserving it. And it's about the gamer, and those who love it. No matter who wins, we lose.
Same thing for the EA vs STEAM thing. I dont give two god damns about your stupid feud. They're not thinking about the customer. Only themselves.
It's very easy to give up rights to something you don't have. I just gave up my right to the White House deed. Take that, Obama. I am the most generous of all.
And if the options are repay Guy Cihi (who didn't do that good a job anyway and is a douche) or get a new actor who isn't a douche, well.
I'm sorry the game got caught in the crossfire. I'm most sorry for the other actors and actresses. McGlynn is right-- she's no good for Maria/Mary.
And if the options are repay Guy Cihi (who didn't do that good a job anyway and is a douche) or get a new actor who isn't a douche, well.
I'm sorry the game got caught in the crossfire. I'm most sorry for the other actors and actresses. McGlynn is right-- she's no good for Maria/Mary.
legacyzero
Banned
Y2Kev said:
This is really what burns me the most.
SolidSnakex
Member
legacyzero said:
Konami tried to do that, which is why they were in talks with him before this even happened. He apparently wanted royalties from them and then posted on Facebook that he was considering suing them over those royalties. He's now trying to make them look bad by saying "Oh, well i'm giving up my rights now...for the fans". Why didn't he do that when Konami approached him instead of demanding something that he's isn't owed?
ZombieSupaStar
Member
shouldn't voice actors get royalties, isnt that normal for music/movies/tv shows?
legacyzero
Banned
That was my assumption too. There has to be some sort of copyright law that protect actors (union or not) that says that repeated usage of their likeness and and voice without contract/payment could warrant litigation.ZombieSupaStar said:
I dunno. I've only gradiated high school
legacyzero
Banned
Ostinatto said:David Hayter should answer this
Good point... If anybody would know, it would be him. <3 David Hater.