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Skyrim-- Safe to buy now?

Neiteio said:
Eh, $40 is still too much given I only -sort of- want Skyrim. That and backlog guilt is getting to me. Just Cause 2 looks amazing, yet it's just been sitting there in my library, staring at me...
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I always keep Just Cause 2 installed so I can just hop in and destroy shit. Love that game
 
Neiteio said:
Eh, $40 is still too much given I only -sort of- want Skyrim. That and backlog guilt is getting to me. Just Cause 2 looks amazing, yet it's just been sitting there in my library, staring at me...
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Just Cause 2 is amazing, play it.

I find the more time I spend away from Skyrim the more my opinion sours on it. Fallout 3 was so much better.

I still think it's a good game and will probably get the dlc, but the timed exclusivity shit isn't helping it's image in my eyes.
 
NBtoaster said:
Just Cause 2 is amazing, play it.

I find the more time I spend away from Skyrim the more my opinion sours on it. Fallout 3 was so much better.

I still think it's a good game and will probably get the dlc, but the timed exclusivity shit isn't helping it's image in my eyes.
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I agree with everything you just said but I'm not sure about F3 being better. I hated DC.

JC2 is one of the best games there is. It never gets boring and is the only game I revisit.
 
After buying the game day one and then gradually realizing the broken mess it was becoming during my playthrough, I flat out refuse to pay for any Besthesda product ever again. The absolute nadir was during one of those storming the fortress missions when you side with the empire or... the other guys. It was a slideshow, just unplayable. GOTY my hairy arse.

Dishonored has caught my eye, and if I can overlook its absurdly derivative nature, I'll nab it second-hand.
 
Acquiescence said:
I flat out refuse to pay for any Besthesda product ever again. The absolute nadir was during one of those storming the fortress missions when you side with the empire or... the other guys. It was a slideshow, just unplayable. GOTY my hairy arse.
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I'm so glad I don't impulse buy based on hype and 10/10 reviews. I think i'll skip this one. If I had a decent PC I would though.
 
Enco said:
I agree with everything you just said but I'm not sure about F3 being better. I hated DC.

JC2 is one of the best games there is. It never gets boring and is the only game I revisit.
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IMO Fallout 3 is better because of almost complete lack of leveled loot; No weapon, armor or quest reward is levelled and it was disappointing they regressed in this regard in Skyrim. And I like the more complex mechanics like locational damage, SPECIAL, radiation etc.

I loved DC. The metro tunnels are samey and probably the biggest flaw, but exploring the overword, which is generally more dangerous and with more opportunity for nice loot and interesting encounters than Skyrim was so good, especially with this music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuYwAB9p8Lk
 
Yes, buy it, and ignore the people who hate it. Here's the deal, you'll love Skyrim from hours 1 -> 50. You can still probably love it from hours 50 -> 70. Around hours 60->80, you realize, "eh, the game can be formulaic..." and then at hour 80->90 you're like "well this isn't really that great anymore, but I've done so much I may as well complete these X questions." After hour 100, it's "I'm playing it because I've been playing it so long."

But, the fact that it takes 100 hours to hit that is impressive IMO, and I think the game is really great, and you'll even discover new things you didn't know before at every new hour milestone. Buy it, give up your life to it, enjoy it, and then 100 hours in, complain about it on gaf.
 
Jay Sosa said:
So Fallout New Vegas is still not fixed?

How about the pc version?
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Obsidian pretty much said it's impossible to fully fix the ps3 versions of these bethesda-engine games. It's a RAM issue on the ps3 that won't be solved until ps4.

The PC versions of Fallout 3/New Vegas/Skyrim all run great. F3 has GFWL though.
 
Fersis said:
Since we're in the subject of 'safe buys' how about Fallout 3 on PS3? Ive always wanted to play a post apocalyptic RPG.
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It is, although it still crashes from time to time, as long as you get the vanilla version. Each DLC chapter adds more chances that your game will crash, so I'd recommend only getting Broken Steel, which adds the real ending and 10 levels. The rest of the DLC is meh.
 
The loading times for the Ps3 version are ridiculous, even longer than waiting for a multi map to load in Max Payne 3.

Screw this game and screw Bethesda.. I gave up on this game after I hit a bug where I couldn't continue getting quests from the Dark Brotherhood or whatever and then I stopped. I waited like 4 months for a patch? I tried to get back in but I have lost all will + the loading is dumb.

I wouldnt support it.
 
Loot scaling doesnt really ruin this game, unless all you care about is how hard the combat is. Exploring the huge world of Skyrim as a weak lvl 5 mage or a nearly invincible lvl 60 warrior was always interesting for me.
 
StateofMind said:
I absolutely abhor loot scaling and level scaling. It's a bunch of communist bullshit and it almost completely ruins all of the fun to be had in an RPG. Skyrim was still worth $60 and over a hundred hours despite that and shitty combat, so I guess that says a lot about something.
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This OP... this.

Patches or not, the combat is broken as hell and can never be fixed. I hated it so much I became a mage just to avoid it. Keep in mind that I did this in the beginning of the game with no money and pretty much no idea what I was doing. It was a looonngggg walk to Winterhold. Took me a while.

Being a mage doesn't fix the combat outright but the sword to sword fighting in this game is terrible. It's very "whack it until it dies..."
 
For those asking about New Vegas: I picked it up on 360 around the time the last DLC pack released and it still had issues with crashing and freezing. Keep in mind these were relatively rare, but frequent enough to make me save A LOT.

That being said, New Vegas was so damn good I fought through that. I need to go back to it to mop up achievements, finish DLC (Bought the first three packs on sale, only played NWB) and see the other endings.

I canceled my pre-order of it when I heard the reviews talking about bugs (I'd had my share in Fallout 3, but never as bad as what people reported in New Vegas) and now regret doing so as that game was amazing.
 
I still can't believe that they got away with releasing Fallout 3: GOTY on the PS3 in that condition. It's a feat of technical fuckuppery that even manages to outdo Sonic 2006.

By the time I got to Broken Steel, I was getting a crash every ten minutes, and a frame rate that transcended 'choppy' and essentialy became a series of still images displayed over 30 second intervals.

Amazed it took until Skyrim for there to be a proper backlash against Bethesda's terrible PS3 support. Not a single one of their games (except maybe Oblivion? Not played that, though I've heard the port was outsourced and much better quality) should have passed certification.
 
Derrick01 said:
Yes. Unless the game has great writing so that you can't wait to see who you'll run into and what will happen, but that's not in a Bethesda game either and hasn't been for quite a while. People need a reason to enter fort with similar textures #18 and it's generally with an excitement over what they could find at the end of it.
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That's me right there. Once all the caves and dungeons started becoming the same, I lost all motivation to explore.
 
So would you guys say oblivion is better than skyrim? l loved oblivion (first and only elder game i've played) and i read some opinions about skyrim being too easy and how bethesda made it more accessible to a wider audience. And the story/world is not as good?
 
Kung Fu Grip said:
So would you guys say oblivion is better than skyrim? l loved oblivion (first and only elder game i've played) and i read some opinions about skyrim being too easy and how bethesda made it more accessible to a wider audience. And the story/world is not as good?
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Oblivion is worse than Skyrim in almost every imaginable way, IMO. There are a handful of quests in oblivion, though, that are better then Skyrims. For instance, the Dark Brotherhood quests in Oblivion are inventive and great... In Skyrim, I think they fall short and are pretty boring.
 
Kung Fu Grip said:
So would you guys say oblivion is better than skyrim? l loved oblivion (first and only elder game i've played) and i read some opinions about skyrim being too easy and how bethesda made it more accessible to a wider audience. And the story/world is not as good?
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If you're talking about playing stock oblivion on a console, I can't explain you. Heavily modded PC Oblivion is another matter though. Just about everything people complain about bethesda has been fixed by modders. Different skill/leveling system, no scaled loot or enemies, much more interesting and diverse and dangerous NPC enemies, better (not great) combat, better stealth, better economics, much better textures/faces/interface, new and better dungeons featuring better lighting (with the right mods, oblivion turns into a very effective horror game). oh, and tons of unofficial bugfixes. All of these things seem unfixed from oblivion to skyrim.

I'm planning on waiting maybe 2 years before picking up skyrim. By that time, the mod scene will have fixed all of bethesda's awful game design decisions.

As for the person complaining that 40 dollars is too much for skyrim, I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for a price cut. The game is continuing to sell very well I understand, and bethesda operates a lot like nintendo in keeping its game prices high. I doubt we'll see a 20 dollar skyrim steam sale until 2013.
 
Pie Lord said:
As for as I can tell, the overwhelming majority of the game-breaking bugs present in the game have been ironed out. As for whether the game is good and worth playing, the largely depends on whether of not you like Oblivion. If you played and enjoyed Oblivion, then you should enjoy Skyrim. If you didn't enjoy Oblivion, then Skyrim probably won't be your cup of tea.
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Not necessarily true. I got bored with Oblivion really fast, but Skyrim is my 2011 GOTY. Just an incredibly much more interesting experience to me, for several reasons (the unbelievably much better and more immersive environments being one).

The Albatross said:
Yes, buy it, and ignore the people who hate it. Here's the deal, you'll love Skyrim from hours 1 -> 50. You can still probably love it from hours 50 -> 70. Around hours 60->80, you realize, "eh, the game can be formulaic..." and then at hour 80->90 you're like "well this isn't really that great anymore, but I've done so much I may as well complete these X questions." After hour 100, it's "I'm playing it because I've been playing it so long."

But, the fact that it takes 100 hours to hit that is impressive IMO, and I think the game is really great, and you'll even discover new things you didn't know before at every new hour milestone. Buy it, give up your life to it, enjoy it, and then 100 hours in, complain about it on gaf.
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Yep, that sounds about right. I think the most vocal haters of this game simply OD'd themselves on it, and now they can't stand it. I, on the other hand, have played the game in shorter spurts ever since it was released (I'm now up to 50-60 hours or so), and I still love it whenever I jump back in.
 
RoadHazard said:
Yep, that sounds about right. I think the most vocal haters of this game simply OD'd themselves on it, and now they can't stand it. I, on the other hand, have played the game in shorter spurts ever since it was released (I'm now up to maybe 60 hours or so), and I still love it whenever I jump back in.
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Naw, I saw the wooden characters, bad story, and horrible combat and quit by hour 20. After killing your 12th dragon with a bow and arrow you start to see the Matrix. Once seen, you can't un-see it. The world is big and pretty, but all the towns and caves are the same and the quests are little more than fetch quests.

And it is not the platform, I have it on the PC in its 1080p 60fps glory, but graphics don't make a game.
 
Gilby said:
Summer Sale's coming...it's hard to justify buying anything on steam (for me at least) until then.
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When you put it like that, those sales seem kind of dangerous. I mean, how many other people just say "well, the sale is coming, I'll wait until then" when considering purchasing a game on Steam? It sounds like things are working well for them, but it also seems like it could hurt some developers.

Not that I'm complaining as I love those sales, but still.
 
Never played a single TES before and just bought Skyrim on Steam due to all the hype back in november.

It was well worth the money despite the bugs and simple combat and i can't wait to play the next game. Which isn't the online one.


I keep hearing people mention the Fallout games, do they have huge open world zones like Skyrim where you spend nearly 100 hours exploring and doing quests? I might start with Fallout 3 this summer since i dont see any new interesting games coming soon and might discover a new awesome franchise, like i discovered Mass Effect last summer.
 
Bisnic said:
Never played a single TES before and just bought Skyrim on Steam due to all the hype back in november.

It was well worth the money despite the bugs and simple combat and i can't wait to play the next game. Which isn't the online one.


I keep hearing people mention the Fallout games, do they have huge open world zones like Skyrim where you spend nearly 100 hours exploring and doing quests? I might start with Fallout 3 this summer since i dont see any new interesting games coming soon and might discover a new awesome franchise, like i discovered Mass Effect last summer.
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Wow you must not keep up with games that much.. yes Fallout 3 is amazing.
 
Only safe with mods. So never on PS3.

AgentP said:
Fallout 3 is the best of their games. The combat with VATS is fun, the lore and world is grounded and interesting. There is actually a story too, with realistic characters.
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I would say Fallout: New Vegas is. However it isn't built around hooking people with constant discovery of little areas (turning the map into a bar to fill). It instead focuses on a branching narrative and cohesive world.
 
Bisnic said:
Never played a single TES before and just bought Skyrim on Steam due to all the hype back in november.

It was well worth the money despite the bugs and simple combat and i can't wait to play the next game. Which isn't the online one.


I keep hearing people mention the Fallout games, do they have huge open world zones like Skyrim where you spend nearly 100 hours exploring and doing quests? I might start with Fallout 3 this summer since i dont see any new interesting games coming soon and might discover a new awesome franchise, like i discovered Mass Effect last summer.
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Fallout 3 is the best of their games. The combat with VATS is fun, the lore and world is grounded and interesting. There is actually a story too, with realistic characters.
 
MMaRsu said:
Wow you must not keep up with games that much.. yes Fallout 3 is amazing.
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I was too busy playing WoW or Nintendo games in the last years, so i missed a lot of good games available on PC that i only discovered last year when WoW started getting boring and Nintendo gave up on the Wii, so i started looking at hyped franchises that i missed and that i could buy on PC like Mass Effect, Witcher, Deus Ex, Batman Arkham games and TES. Guess i could continue this year with Fallout.
 
sloppyjoe_gamer said:
Thanks for all the feedback everyone. At this point, i'll probably pass on this.
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This is pretty unfortunate. A lot of people are sour on the game after spending so much time with it, and some people are still mad about how they handled the PS3 version, but it's almost objectively a great game that's easily worth the cost (and the PS3 version is absolutely fine now).

TES games are also notorious for bugs, so anyone who's encountered a particularly nasty one is going to see the words "Skyrim", "safe", and "buy" and want to chime in. I really would pick it up OP, at the very least grab the GOTY version when it comes out. This isn't a game that you want to wait a really long time for, because the graphics really add a lot to the quality of the experience.
 
Derrick01 said:
Obsidian pretty much said it's impossible to fully fix the ps3 versions of these bethesda-engine games. It's a RAM issue on the ps3 that won't be solved until ps4.

The PC versions of Fallout 3/New Vegas/Skyrim all run great. F3 has GFWL though.
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So the 360 version of NV runs fine, or at least without game-breaking bugs?
 
Good game to get, definitely. I just don't play it anymore because I was up to 70 hours in and the game glitched on me.. Was not happy. As long as it's patched then go for it.
 
Jay Sosa said:
So the 360 version of NV runs fine, or at least without game-breaking bugs?
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Well, the 360 has 512 MB of shared memory, while the PS3 has it split into two separate pools (256 MB of main RAM and 256 MB of VRAM). So you're more restricted in how much memory you can use for what on the PS3, which I believe has been stated to be the problem.

EDIT: Damn, misread your question a bit there, oh well! But yeah, I'm pretty sure the 360 version of NV runs a lot better.
 
RoadHazard said:
Well, the 360 has 512 MB of shared memory, while the PS3 has it split into two separate pools (256 MB of main RAM and 256 MB of VRAM). So you're more restricted in how much memory you can use for what on the PS3, which I believe has been stated to be the problem.

EDIT: Damn, misread your question a bit there, oh well! But yeah, I'm pretty sure the 360 version of NV runs a lot better.
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Doesn't matter, thanks anyway. Plus I learned something new :D
 
Derrick01 said:
I'm going to have to strongly disagree on that.
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For the love of god, loot scaling only happens on a few items and the best items in the game can only be obtained by player crafting so the loot scaling is a moot point. And once again, there are SEVERAL items that are extremely useful which can be obtained via exploration that arent subject to scaling. Besides, Exploration isnt only about loot loot loot. Its also about atmosphere, discovery of quests, and slaying zombies, skeletons, and dragons and shit.

Once again, the majority of the best items obtained DO NOT SCALE in this game.

So quit trolling
 
Jibbajabbawockky said:
Steam has had it on sale for about 30% off at most. But it hasn't been hugely discounted yet. Otherwise just give it a couple weeks:
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Oh shit, that's right, we're in June already!

OH FUUUUUUUUCK! Need to save cash!
 
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