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Sliders, what the hell happened ?!

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So I started watching sliders for the first time and the first 2 seasons and first half of season 3 are great and then there is a collapse of quality I have not seen. What the hell happened? Only but one main character remained at the end of the series and it became a rudderless mess with story archs which didn't make a sense, characters which had no charm and the Rembrandt characters totally rewritten.

Has any series had such a drastic decline ? If only it was made during Netflix time so instead of scifi it came to Netflix because the quality of the first 2.5 seasons was on par with the best of scifi . I literally started skipping scenes by season 4 to get to the end.
 
They realized that it became the Crying Man's Hero Journey - I applaud them for their bravery.

Also, Jerry O'Connel's shitty brother would also like to eat tonight.

And, Wade > Maggie, who always seemed to be on her period.

One more thing - cro-mags were a very, very, very ill-advised choice for a main villain. Completely lost interest once the show decided to go down this path - it wasn't fun anymore.
 
Thought this was a thread about White Castle burgers. Was going to say, "No, they've always been shitty."

Thanks for the warning about the show. I was gonna start on it soon. :-)
 
Huh, seems like there's a Sliders thread every couple weeks xD

Went so downhill after the professor left. There were a handful of good episodes going forward, but it was a fatal blow =/
 
Yup. The series is rather upsetting. I love the story at the beginning, the original group is fantastic.. I even love how 90s it felt in terms of style, technology, lingo, etc. That was a really fun point in American history, right after the Cold War but before the digital revolution had begun to really take effect..

I fear it can't be remade while keeping the same feeling. Not that I think it's sacred; I just think it's a unique product of its time.

Still very bitter about Arturo. That point is where I always stop watching.
 
Find this on Netflix and watch...

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Modern day Sliders style show - but no one will fund a full series - so this extended pilot is all we got.

It is pretty good (second half is amazing!)
 
I felt it went down hill as soon as it stopped doing alternate history and started doing movie plot ripoffs.

Once the writing got lazy everyone else got lazy.
 
One of my friends in elementary school was an extra in this show during an episode with tornadoes or something. Shortly after that his family moved to California and I never saw him again.

That is the extent of my familiarity with this show.
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They cast Jerry O'Connell.

I just can't stand that guy, though his brother is almost as bad. Just something about the constant smirk on their faces.
 
My favourite part of this show was all the ridiculous ways they explained away the main actors leaving.
 
Find this on Netflix and watch...

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Modern day Sliders style show - but no one will fund a full series - so this extended pilot is all we got.

It is pretty good (second half is amazing!)

Saw this on Netflix the other night and really enjoyed it. Agreed, highly unlikely it'll ever get made into a series; not "mainstream" enough I guess.
 
The professor
lives!!! He got swapped in an earlier episode and his duplicate got killed instead. The duplicate tried to admit this on his death bed but couldn't.
I don't care that the show never mentioned it.
 
The professor
lives!!! He got swapped in an earlier episode and his duplicate got killed instead. The duplicate tried to admit this on his death bed but couldn't.
I don't care that the show never mentioned it.

Is this from the episode where
they think they have reached earth prime but wade then sees a blue Golden Gate Bridge ?
 
I will never get over that one episode where
they actually get back to their original timeline, but the little gate in the yard doesn't creek anymore so they assume it's another parallel world. Then when they leave you find out that they just fixed the fucking gate.

That shit made me SO angry, even as a kid.
 
The Cliffnotes version:

* Simply put, ''everyone'' on the cast or crew got screwed over at one time or another:
** The first two seasons were fraught with behind-the-scenes battles between the Fox network and the production team. Fox wanted more episodes that had a greater emphasis on action and less continuity (so they could show them in any order they wanted), even putting the show on hiatus after the ninth episode of season 1. The production crew responded by forcing a cliffhanger at the end of said episode, to Fox's dismay. Later on, Fox canceled the series at the end of season 2, and it was only saved by a massive fan campaign.
** Fox brass continually hounded co-creator Tracy Tormé throughout his tenure on the show. They tried to derail his plan to resolve the first-season cliffhanger, his input in season three was ignored by the production team when the series moved primary filming to Los Angeles, and he eventually left the show at the end of the third season.
** John Rhys Davies' controversial death in "Exodus" (via having his brains sucked out, being shot and then left to die on an exploding planet) was caused by behind-the-scenes issues. Rhys-Davies allegedly insulted then-producer David Peckinpah (while drunk) at a party hosted by Fox brass when the series first began. Later on, when Peckinpah was promoted and gained control of the series, he used this leverage to convince the network to fire the actor (via the release of his episode contract), and gave him the fate he endured in the episode.
** Jerry O'Connell was originally planned to star in several episodes of the fifth season, but held up production for months while he tried to negotiate for an Executive Producer credit. While the network had already given him more perks than any of the other cast members, O'Connell wouldn't budge, and after hearing that his brother Charlie wouldn't be able to appear in all 18 episodes (as Charlie's character, Colin, was contingent on Jerry's character, Quinn), the brothers walked away from the table. Things got worse when the production team attempted to figure out a way to explain Quinn and Colin's absence from the show - Jerry wouldn't give up the use of his image or voice from the prior seasons, meaning that the producers had to make do with a pair of stunt doubles and a voice that is clearly not O'Connell's.
** Kari Wuhrer's presence on the show in the third season caused massive friction between herself and Sabrina Lloyd. During a script-reading, Wuhrer made snide comments about Lloyd's engagement to one of the crew members, which caused Lloyd to break down and cry in her trailer, thus holding up production for hours. David Peckinpah (who first approached Wuhrer to star on the show) used this incident to spread lies about Sabrina costing the network money, and eventually told her point-blank that he would support Wuhrer and not her (prompting her to leave the series). Even worse, Peckinpah later twisted the knife by condemning Lloyd's character, Wade, to being raped in a Kromagg breeding camp - the only reason it didn't come off looking even worse is because the production staff led a revolt to change the plot to something more meaningful (via the introduction of the Humaggs).
** Peckinpah himself was demoted to a consultant by the network out of spite because he had taken on a concurrent job as executive producer with another Universal Studios production called ''Turks''. However, he often visited the ''Sliders'' set and ended up influencing the direction of the fifth season just as much as the previous ones.
** While renewal rumors were still up in the air at the end of season five, Sci-Fi discovered that they didn't have the cash necessary to pay the actors' contracts for another season, and when fans emailed the company asking for information, Sci-Fi representatives emailed back that the show was cancelled because the actors wouldn't sign back on, conveniently ignoring the monetary issue.
 
The Professor was fired because he had a beef with some producer, and when that producer worked on and took over Sliders...well he was up shit creek.

The Wade actress was fired because the producers didn't want a 2 woman show and Kari Wuhrer had huge boobs I guess.

Jerry O'Connel was asking a lot of the show, got his brother as a star on it for season 4 and wanted to direct and produce a lot more, he was turned down and left.

The 5th series despite only having one original star left actually did well with viewing numbers, but this wasn't expected after Jerry left and sci-fi had planned to cancel the show after that season. Sci-fi put all their money into Third Wave, a show that sucked and that nobody watched, and had no money left for Sliders even though they wanted another series after seeing the viewing numbers.
 
The Cliffnotes version:

* Simply put, ''everyone'' on the cast or crew got screwed over at one time or another:
** The first two seasons were fraught with behind-the-scenes battles between the Fox network and the production team. Fox wanted more episodes that had a greater emphasis on action and less continuity (so they could show them in any order they wanted), even putting the show on hiatus after the ninth episode of season 1. The production crew responded by forcing a cliffhanger at the end of said episode, to Fox's dismay. Later on, Fox canceled the series at the end of season 2, and it was only saved by a massive fan campaign.
** Fox brass continually hounded co-creator Tracy Tormé throughout his tenure on the show. They tried to derail his plan to resolve the first-season cliffhanger, his input in season three was ignored by the production team when the series moved primary filming to Los Angeles, and he eventually left the show at the end of the third season.
** John Rhys Davies' controversial death in "Exodus" (via having his brains sucked out, being shot and then left to die on an exploding planet) was caused by behind-the-scenes issues. Rhys-Davies allegedly insulted then-producer David Peckinpah (while drunk) at a party hosted by Fox brass when the series first began. Later on, when Peckinpah was promoted and gained control of the series, he used this leverage to convince the network to fire the actor (via the release of his episode contract), and gave him the fate he endured in the episode.
** Jerry O'Connell was originally planned to star in several episodes of the fifth season, but held up production for months while he tried to negotiate for an Executive Producer credit. While the network had already given him more perks than any of the other cast members, O'Connell wouldn't budge, and after hearing that his brother Charlie wouldn't be able to appear in all 18 episodes (as Charlie's character, Colin, was contingent on Jerry's character, Quinn), the brothers walked away from the table. Things got worse when the production team attempted to figure out a way to explain Quinn and Colin's absence from the show - Jerry wouldn't give up the use of his image or voice from the prior seasons, meaning that the producers had to make do with a pair of stunt doubles and a voice that is clearly not O'Connell's.
** Kari Wuhrer's presence on the show in the third season caused massive friction between herself and Sabrina Lloyd. During a script-reading, Wuhrer made snide comments about Lloyd's engagement to one of the crew members, which caused Lloyd to break down and cry in her trailer, thus holding up production for hours. David Peckinpah (who first approached Wuhrer to star on the show) used this incident to spread lies about Sabrina costing the network money, and eventually told her point-blank that he would support Wuhrer and not her (prompting her to leave the series). Even worse, Peckinpah later twisted the knife by condemning Lloyd's character, Wade, to being raped in a Kromagg breeding camp - the only reason it didn't come off looking even worse is because the production staff led a revolt to change the plot to something more meaningful (via the introduction of the Humaggs).
** Peckinpah himself was demoted to a consultant by the network out of spite because he had taken on a concurrent job as executive producer with another Universal Studios production called ''Turks''. However, he often visited the ''Sliders'' set and ended up influencing the direction of the fifth season just as much as the previous ones.
** While renewal rumors were still up in the air at the end of season five, Sci-Fi discovered that they didn't have the cash necessary to pay the actors' contracts for another season, and when fans emailed the company asking for information, Sci-Fi representatives emailed back that the show was cancelled because the actors wouldn't sign back on, conveniently ignoring the monetary issue.


Reading that I blame the following in order of blame:

1. Fox
2. Peckinpah
3. Wuhrer
4. Scifi
5. Season 4 and 5 show runners
 
http://www.dimensionofcontinuity.com/bts.htm#scifi

http://www.dimensionofcontinuity.com/jrd.html

Rhys-Davies troubles started as soon as he came to Sliders with promises of making the professor who he wanted. "They were looking for somebody with weight and authority to play the part of an irascible professor," so Rhys-Davies thought, "... and I suspect the part was really meant to be the cowardly professor in Lost In Space, which I think I said at the time was something I didn't particularly want to play. But, we all agreed it would change and evolve when we came down to doing it. So, it was a battle that had to be fought in the early stages."

Although he is quick to say he loved the professor in Lost In Space, Rhys-Davies simply doesn't believe it was appropriate for Sliders.

Besides the conflict with his character, he was constantly found fighting for quality control and show integrity, namely in the writing and blatant copycat stories he says Sliders "borrowed" from popular, current movies. "I thought season two was a complete pass. The third season, again, basically you have an executive producer who's not interested in science fiction, who doesn't understand it, who doesn't write it, and a bunch of not-terribly-good writers who are insolently derivative."

Pointing out that the writers said, "...the network had forced them into doing these things," Rhys-Davies can believe the truth of network demands for success, even at the expense of quality. "Hollywood can only understand success and say, 'Let's repeat that!' So you have the 'Twisters' episode early on which is a straight rip-off. But of course our twister is man-made and is upside down, which reveals a remarkable ignorance about the physics of twisters! It then proceeded to become a rip-off of every film that you have ever seen, particularly toward the end - fortunately by which time I had been fired. I don't want to be associated with a writer who would say to me, 'John, I can steal from anything,' as if this was a badge of honor and not a badge of absolute creative disgrace." If there is something John Rhys-Davies stands for it is quality, originality, and creative appreciation. "I was taught to respect writers, to value the word above all else...intellectual property should should be treated with the same respect you would treat other property. And the cry, 'But everybody does it,' won't do."

He is very passionate about the quality of work and those associated with it. This has been his main point of contention with Sliders, regardless of what other gossip would have you believe. In fact, he even told the other cast members to let him fight the battle for them, he knew it was coming - you can ask the other actors! "They will tell you, that early on I told them to keep their heads down and their noses to the grindstone and let me do the fighting for the series." Which was no problem for Rhys Davies because of his genuine admiration for his cast mates, another feeling shared by the actors on the show. "Let me say this, if you ask any of the four of us we would say that, the greatest pleasure of coming to work each was that we would get to spend time with each other. I have never worked with three more harmonious and good souls as I worked with on that show. As for Jerry himself, were I to have another son I wish it were Jerry...I think he is so gifted. He is ideally, temperamentally suited to succeed and it was my joy and privilege to work with him. Sabrina is a darling and I love her. And Cleavant is the best, truest golden soul of the lot, just a dear, dear man."

The whole experience of working on Sliders was as much a heartache as it was headache for Rhys-Davies, in that in Sliders he saw a great opportunity to tell really great sci-fi stories, a possibility that he even now holds out a little hope for. "The reason I went on about Sliders is that the premise is the best premise I think I've ever known for a television series. You can go anywhere in the world and it's worth fighting for. That should could have been, and could still be, Universal's Star Trek." As for the show's future? "I'll wait to see who the head writer is and what science fiction he has done before, before I make any prediction." And the reason? "I won't say which year, but the head writer turned around to me and said, 'It's easy for you to criticize John, you don't know how hard it is to come up with ideas for this thing.' You go anywhere in the universe!"

What is Rhys-Davies solution to the creative slump of the series? "It is so blatantly easy to transform that show it makes me want to scream: 'Oh give me a gun to shoot some writers just to encourage the rest!"

Basically David Peckinpah took over in season 3, and he sounds like an uncreative egotistical ass. There was already a struggle from day one between people that wanted to make it the next Star Trek and the people that wanted to do easy action ripoffs, and with David Peckinpah, the talentless hacks won.
 
It's one of those shows I bring up time to time with friends and we try to wrap our brains around wtf happened.

Poor Wade, having all those cro mag babies.
 
I watched this back then. All I remember is characters leaving and losing interest eventually.

I also remember when they went to an alternate reality where the top Operating System was called Doors. It's all I remember from the show. At all.
 
Reading that I blame the following in order of blame:

1. Fox
2. Peckinpah
3. Wuhrer
4. Scifi
5. Season 4 and 5 show runners

I guess you could probably blame the viewers first and foremost. If Sliders was a smash success from the first season, Fox probably would have let them keep doing what they're doing, instead of appointing Peckinpah to bring the show in line with what Fox was envisioning from the start.
 
Show's early seasons weren't too great either...but I had to bail a few episodes into Season 5. Just some ridiculously bad acting and plot.

Season 4 actually had one great moment. The whole Lipschilitz Live or whatever and the guy proclaiming to be an Alien or in contact with Aliens and talking about the prime directive. That was pretty good....was laughing my ass off.

The Guardian from S3(I think) was probably the best episode. Seasons 1 and 2 are worth watching...it's decent but after that it's unbearable save for an episode here and there.
 
One thing that always annoyed me, one season cliffhanger they do a 'time-slide' and end up in the future.

The next season, they're sliding like normal with no explanation how they got back to the present. Season cliffhanger just ignored, what crappy writing.
 
God, one of my favorite shows... the first 3 seasons at least. I could maybe get past the Professor's death (the real Professor is still out there!!!), but adding in Quinns brother, the renewed focus on Cromags, Wade in the breeding camp and then the disaster that was season 5 - holy hell.

I loved having the show be sort of villain of the week type show where each world was some new challenge to overcome. The Cromags were shit villains and the constant going back to that well just made me hate the show by the end of things.

Didn't help all the weird hiatuses/cancellations/not-cancellations the show went through and the mixing up of episodes.
 
One thing that always annoyed me, one season cliffhanger they do a 'time-slide' and end up in the future.

The next season, they're sliding like normal with no explanation how they got back to the present. Season cliffhanger just ignored, what crappy writing.

Probably a solar flare wait wrong portal jumping show.

Season one and two are boss. Then it went to shit. Stupid Jurassic Park, Species, Twister etc episides.
 
When I was younger I remember thinking the show was never the same once the old professor dude died or went away.
 
I guess you could probably blame the viewers first and foremost. If Sliders was a smash success from the first season, Fox probably would have let them keep doing what they're doing, instead of appointing Peckinpah to bring the show in line with what Fox was envisioning from the start.
Fox was fucking with the show during season 1, so it's hard to blame the audience when they have no control over how Fox airs the show (out of order, different times/days of the week).

When Peckinpah was brought in, it was basically over. The first episode he's credited with is so obviously in direct contrast with every episode before it (the episode where they slide into a plane/Running Man-style tv show iirc) there was no turning back. He was such an egomaniacal hack

Wade and the Professor got the shaft on screen because of it. I was never a fan of how they got around extending the show either. I still blame his mom for having the gate fixed.
 
I will never get over that one episode where
they actually get back to their original timeline, but the little gate in the yard doesn't creek anymore so they assume it's another parallel world. Then when they leave you find out that they just fixed the fucking gate.

That shit made me SO angry, even as a kid.

Haha, I feel the same way. Also, the way they wrote off Wade
captured and sent to a breeding camp
was just fucked up.
 
Yup. He was my favorite character. Once he was gone, it wasn't as fun anymore. I don't remember when I stopped watching completely.
I ended up watching till the end. I always held out hope the old group would end up back together.

There was the evil Professor episode where it was implied the good Professor was left behind on that world. So I was always waiting for him to come back.

I was waiting for the eventual rescue of Wade as well.

Then finally thinking they'd fix whatever phase shift thing was going on with Quinn in season 5.

Little did my young self know of all the behind the scenes stuff happening that would make none of this possible. So I foolishly waited till the show was cancelled before I gave up all my dreams for the show. v___v,,,
 
Yes the first 2 seasons are great. They were filmed in Vancouver, then from season 3 and on it was shot in L.A. Basically the studio heads started to interfere with the show and they wanted the episodes to be more like Hollywood blockbusters. A episode on tornadoes(Twister), an episode like The Running Man and so on. John Rhys Davies hated it so much he wanted to be written off. He knew it was becoming garbage. Just pretend that season 3 and on don't exist.
 
Loved watching this show when it was on and then reruns on Sci-Fi channel (that's right now SyFy ugh). It had such a particular feel and atmosphere to it with the 90s aesthetic and the San Francisco backdrop.

Had no idea about the Peckinpah or Wuhrer shenanigans. Sounds like a damn cartoon villain with Peckinpah condemning Wade and the Professor to those kind of fates on the show. Like something out of Tootsie/soaps.
 
Always saddens me to see this topic come up every couple years. The show really was a great show for the first 3 seasons like you mentioned. It had so much potential as a show and due to suits and network interference it just went to shit and just shit every bit of potential away. I always dream of what could have been to this day.
 
I remember watching this a long time ago when it aired and had forgotten exactly why I stopped watching after John Rhys Davies left the show, other than I felt the show's quality was going down hard.

Reading the above on why things fell apart so fast makes so much sense now. It's a real damn shame. Sucks so much when executive meddling, non-talented showrunners and other factors start pulling a show in so many conflicting directions it comes apart.
 
I liked the show as a kid. A few years ago I watched the first three seasons on Hulu.

I couldn't believe how awful the cast was being to each other or how everything was falling apart. It was quite sad to watch. :(


Also, I realized that I really liked one of the later episodes. It was almost like a film noir take on the show.
 
someone link me to this story

I always wanted to know how that trainwreck occured

Well, it wasn't just him, though he did apparently refuse to talk to the dolphin. The show was terrible in S3, but his character was just a giant ass. There was nothing to like about him. Going from Roy Scheider's scientist Captain to Ironside's militaristic asshole was just a terrible production decision.

The production was awful in S3, and as the new Captain, Ironside's was the face of that awfulness.
 
Well, it wasn't just him, though he did apparently refuse to talk to the dolphin. The show was terrible in S3, but his character was just a giant ass. There was nothing to like about him. Going from Roy Scheider's scientist Captain to Ironside's militaristic asshole was just a terrible production decision.

The production was awful in S3, and as the new Captain, Ironside's was the face of that awfulness.

It was really emblematic of the entire change in the show's direction. Instead of going around discovering science and stuff, they were traveling through underwater wormholes and fighting aliens and shit.
 
I will never get over that one episode where
they actually get back to their original timeline, but the little gate in the yard doesn't creek anymore so they assume it's another parallel world. Then when they leave you find out that they just fixed the fucking gate.

That shit made me SO angry, even as a kid.

I felt the same way.

Really enjoyed the first few seasons of this show growing up, never saw the later seasons for whatever reason but it saddens me now reading about the issues this show went through during production.
 
I will never get over that one episode where
they actually get back to their original timeline, but the little gate in the yard doesn't creek anymore so they assume it's another parallel world. Then when they leave you find out that they just fixed the fucking gate.

That shit made me SO angry, even as a kid.

I didn't watch this show. But this might have made me quit on the spot.
 
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