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SMD and Player Essence on Nintendo NX Rumors

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John Petrucci said:
I'm curious. Why is it spoken like fact on here that SMD indeed ratted out his source and thus got him fired? Did some people with legit insider knowledge confirm this? Not accusing anyone of anything, just wondering.
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I think it's telling to see Alberto say it, since he stays well away from drama and barely likes commenting on rumors. If Alberto is saying it, he has good reason to believe it. That's good enough for most of us, considering how near impossible it would be to produce "receipts".
 
Exterminieren said:
I object to this idea that we can't believe anything at all until Nintendo officially shows it off.

I consider myself to have decent standards of appraisal for this kind of thing; I can look at what's being claimed and who's claiming it, and have a reasonable sense of how legitimate it is. In this case, several outlets that I have a great deal of respect for have corroborated the story in reasonable detail, which leads me to think that it's probably correct information, or at least a version of it. Meanwhile, I haven't seen any credible reports suggesting that the NX is anything significantly different, with most dissent being rooted in a dissatisfaction with the reported design and specs rather than anything actually meaningful or based in evidence- as we can see in this very thread, in fact.

Assessing, scrutinising and appraising sources and reports is an important skill. Dismissing everything out of hand is no more sensible or intelligent than blindly accepting everything as fact.
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Their defense is that they think Nintendo has a strong NDA making it leak proof and that leaks can't happen this time around despite SMD himself being a leaker at one point.
From what I gather they're very upset at the thought of a Hybrid negating the possibility of a console which is what they've been promising for so long. I don't think it does, personally, but they're not giving themselves leg room to be right. They could argue= there will be an NX console eventually (but not in March) or EG's info isn't completely right, but they've been sure that the NX in March will be a console and that the Hybrid has and never will exist and that if it does it's an awful, unoriginal idea that will bomb and Nintendo will be liars because of it.
I think being backed by major sites like IGN, Eurogamer, Nintendo Life, and smaller but reputable sources like Emily and LPVG makes it quite believable. I'd be fine with either scenario, but I do see a lot of exciting promise from the hybrid rumor. Seems very Nintendo to me.
 
Sure, no one has to believe anyone until it's shown off, but you also shouldn't believe anything SMD and Player Essence has to say with their rumors too if that's the argument.

But it's counterproductive. There are certainly rumors that merit some belief in due to having multiple outlets from reputable sites saying the same/similar things. There's also little room to deny some like the WSJ's reporting since they're known to have an excellent track record regarding Nintendo rumors too.

When looking at all these major sites, there's something there, and something to talk and speculate about even if we don't know all of the details and fact.

SMD and Player Essence on the other hand feels like they've not been doing anything in good faith and are just trying to counter anything that comes out. Look no further than using a random commenter on Emily's blog as a source to try to discredit Emily and everyone else. Oh yeah, when was NX supposed to be revealed again? September 16th according to London124343 that Player Essence used in a video. I don't believe they have anything at all. Especially SMD, who outed his original source to Nintendo after that whole debacle when he opened his big mouth and gave every single detail of information he shouldn't have. He has no source these days.
 
I pretty much believe SMD with everything at this point. Signs pointing to AMD are more inline with what Nintendo is said to be developing; although I like Nvidia and wish this did put out a new system.

Nintendo can't make a portable that is far unequal in ways to other mobiles, and they can't make a console that is far less powerful than even an xbox1. There is a way to share power to give this thing a hybrid meaning.

I believe the portable is a modded WiiU that fits into it's own controller screen. It's cheap enough to be $170 by now. The Gamestop sales for the U are even cheaper when compared to most outlets. The stay at home console chip with a non expensive innovation will compare to a standard console's power and cost us $100. Now basically we spend $270 for the NX.
 
John Petrucci said:
I'm curious. Why is it spoken like fact on here that SMD indeed ratted out his source and thus got him fired? Did some people with legit insider knowledge confirm this? Not accusing anyone of anything, just wondering.
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The info SMD gave out in his NX leak was incredibly specific and even included info on marketing budgets. Not long after that his video/blog post were taken down, he went silent for several months, and we haven't heard from that source again.

It was easy to extrapolate Nintendo were able to use the information from the leak to figure out the source's identity. I remember SMD assuring us that his source told him he would be fine but it doesn't seem like that was actually the case. I kind of wonder if the source was someone who either wanted to get fired (career suicide) or was new and/or extremely naive.
 
gafneo said:
I pretty much believe SMD with everything at this point. Signs pointing to AMD are more inline with what Nintendo is said to be developing; although I like Nvidia and wish this did put out a new system.

Nintendo can't make a portable that is far unequal in ways to other mobiles, and they can't make a console that is far less powerful than even an xbox1. There is a way to share power to give this thing a hybrid meaning.

I believe the portable is a modded WiiU that fits into it's own controller screen. It's cheap enough to be $170 by now. The Gamestop sales for the U are even cheaper when compared to most outlets. The stay at home console chip with a non expensive innovation will compare to a standard console's power and cost us $100. Now basically we spend $270 for the NX.
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That wouldn't work. While they were low powered for a console, the components for the Wii U is far too power hungry for it to be in a good portable.
 
Father_Brain said:
This is a complete mischaracterization of things. Otero wasn't talking about detachable controllers in general on that podcast. He raised the possibility of the controllers joining together independently of the main unit, a specific detail that wasn't in either EG's report or IGN's subsequent report corroborating it; rather, it was additional information from a secondhand source that IGN didn't feel confident enough about to report. They in no way backed away from their general corroboration of the EG report, and MCV and LPVG confirmed detachable controllers as well.
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How is what I said a "complete mischaracterization"?

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https://youtu.be/sLDpJJpk3so


"When we had heard that, back when we heard it, we heard that those two pieces will come together to sort of form a controller for you to hold, essentially. We never got another source to back that up, so we never ran that story." "It was also a secondhand source, just putting it out there for folks."

To me that doesn't sound like some new additional source, that sounds like THE source on their detachable controller rumor and the reason for why they never ran it was also why they finally decided to speak on it once Eurogamer's report mentioned something similar even if not exactly the same (recombining controllers vs. 2 parts for local multiplayer).
 
10k said:
Just like when Alberto said his source told him that fake NX mockup controller was real and he was banned for it....
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I seem to recall the statements being a lot more uncertain that that; more along the lines of "the photo matches with some of the things I've been hearing".
 
Cuburt said:
How is what I said a "complete mischaracterization"?

34:36

https://youtu.be/sLDpJJpk3so


"When we had heard that, back when we heard it, we heard that those two pieces will come together to sort of form a controller for you to hold, essentially. We never got another source to back that up, so we never ran that story." "It was also a secondhand source, just putting it out there for folks."

To me that doesn't sound like some new additional source, that sounds like THE source on their detachable controller rumor and the reason for why they never ran it was also why they finally decided to speak on it once Eurogamer's report mentioned something similar even if not exactly the same (recombining controllers vs. 2 parts for local multiplayer).
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That quote makes it pretty clear the rumor in question is putting the two controllers back together independent of the main handheld, not the idea that the controllers are detachable in and of itself
 
gafneo said:
I pretty much believe SMD with everything at this point. Signs pointing to AMD are more inline with what Nintendo is said to be developing; although I like Nvidia and wish this did put out a new system.

Nintendo can't make a portable that is far unequal in ways to other mobiles, and they can't make a console that is far less powerful than even an xbox1. There is a way to share power to give this thing a hybrid meaning.

I believe the portable is a modded WiiU that fits into it's own controller screen. It's cheap enough to be $170 by now. The Gamestop sales for the U are even cheaper when compared to most outlets. The stay at home console chip with a non expensive innovation will compare to a standard console's power and cost us $100. Now basically we spend $270 for the NX.
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I look forward to the meltdown
 
UnemployedVillain said:
If he knew shit he should have just said it was fake. Do NDAs prevent sources from saying "That's not real"?
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I mean, hasn't the claim always been that he's a journo who has multiple contacts in the industry, not that he's a developer who had firsthand experience with NX devkits and would know exactly what it looks like? I don't see why he would be able to say for sure from a photo that isn't blatantly fake.
 
Are these people just Nintendo fans that want the rumored handheld (hybrid :p) specs to be false and they believe that system is a powerful home console? It sounds like that....
 
gafneo said:
Nintendo can't make a portable that is far unequal in ways to other mobiles, and they can't make a console that is far less powerful than even an xbox1. There is a way to share power to give this thing a hybrid meaning.
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I'm going to pull you up on this, because it's exactly what I'm talking about; you don't think Nintendo should do this, and are offering it up as evidence that they aren't. That's absolutely meaningless as a rebuttal to the numerous good, reputable sources that say that's precisely what they are doing.
 
Hazu said:
I saw this image posted on a gaming forum, do you guys know where it comes from?
(sorry if it's old material)

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it all make sense
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AlucardGV said:
it all make sense
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It's completely unrelated to what the thread is about...but I think it could be a good idea. The U shape could provide adequate spacing between the two wii mote like controllers while detached from the base NX unit. The only issue is that it would make the NX considerably larger when attached.
 
It's really distressing seeing so many people dismiss the Eurogamer report because it doesn't jive with exactly what they want. That's not how you objectively analyze information.

I'm sure there's more to the NX than we've seen in these leaks but I'm also quite confident that the majority of their information is correct. Treating a legitamite, respected organization with a tangible and very good track record the same as random twitter users is just asinine honestly.

The internet really sucks sometimes.
 
gafneo said:
That was 2011. Now we can make it happen 6 years later.
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Not with the original Wii U components. For reference, the Wii U used roughly 35w during gaming, and that doesn't include the Wii U's Gamepad screen. A good portable would have to be around 5w.

The EDRAM and CPU will be a big manufacturing issue, and even if they made it, it would also be much more ineffective than using modern handheld tech.
The Wii U's GPU has a dx10-equalivant feature-set vs NVIDIA's dx12, and the CPU is several times weaker in capability than the newer ARM A57s, A72s, etc.
 
10k said:
Just like when Alberto said his source told him that fake NX mockup controller was real and he was banned for it....
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L Thammy said:
I seem to recall the statements being a lot more uncertain that that; more along the lines of "the photo matches with some of the things I've been hearing".
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Yeah, <3 you bud, but I pretty clearly remember Alberto being pretty uncertain as well. I definitely never saw him say anything like a confirmation of the leak.

UnemployedVillain said:
If he knew shit he should have just said it was fake. Do NDAs prevent sources from saying "That's not real"?
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DNAbro said:
I'm pretty most NDA's wouldn't let you confirm or deny anything. But if your source is already breaking NDA then I guess it doesn't really matter.
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NDAs aren't a one-size-fits-all type of document, they often specify what can and can't be said on both broad and specific terms but may be different from one situation to the next, and are only legally binding to the person who signed it.

Thus, if you sign an NDA you are prevented from talking about the subjects therein, but if that person reveals info to a second person who has nothing to do with the company and never signed the NDA that second person can't be held legally responsible for the breaking of the NDA. HOWEVER, the second person may want to be careful about what they reveal and how much of it they do reveal, because if they are too open they may end up cluing in how they got the information.

Going back to SMD, for example, SMD never signed any NDAs of his own, and wasn't legally liable for the leaking of any information. The same would probably be true of Alberto, assuming he is not professionally affiliated with any of the game companies himself.

That's my understanding of it, anyways.
 
imjust1n said:
https://youtu.be/pZjaJHV6F7o

Now we have beat around this bush so many times. We have had people spilling rumors on what the NX is. These 2 will talk about how they both don't agree with the eurogamer rumors and I can't agree any more with their opinions.

I'll point out Happy Nintendo Fan as well had some insight through speculation.

Remember this is all speculation in fact everything has been rumors and speculation. These 2 point out how those rumors make no sense. It's a interesting podcast talk it's worth a listen to.

If this has been talked about already please shut it down mods.
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Why not just summarize what's in the video? who is actually gonna sit through the entire hour of the video and listen to everything?
 
What is this 5 hours to go thing? Is there an event today that I missed hearing about?! Is the NX being announced? Is there a thread? A timer? Should I get hype?!
 
I'm not saying I believe SMD (honestly, I'm just too dumb to have an opinion on the Nvidia x AMD thing), but it will be absolutely hilarious to see the meltdowns in Gaf if the guy is right.
 
Yall wanna know why SMD and PE have people talking about them? Cause they try to break down and say why this happens.

Eurogamer are just.. believe us because we have reputation so trust us. Thats it.

Thats all there is to it. Is it bad cause people want to do that? Anybodody following this whole NX circus level headed wont be a dissapointed person. Thats for babies
 
Kissenkopf said:
Yeah, they did.

But didn't some sites say they heared that the controller of the NX (before the hybrid rumors started) looks exactly like the fake 3D print? :P
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And this is exactly why I'm very suspicious of everything since. They all ran with that story along with some 'insiders' here on gaf saying their "sources" confirm it and they all fell hard. I refuse to be gullible.

Official stuff or I'm out.

(Obviously don't mind speculation from anyone because it's fun)
 
Cuburt said:
AMD could be a wild goose chase but it's still plausible if a console is part of the NX. DMP seems very plausible. Nvidia could be possible (ARM seems likely in general if they are going the handheld route as the core of the NX) but there are lot of good reasons why that isn't the final chip in the NX.
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Sure, DMP could be plausible but the problem is how the M3000 isn't being manufactured(?)/shipped(?) until the first half of 2017. Which is a vague date to be certain of it being used with NX.

It is speculated by one of the people you mentioned that apparently the Tegra X1 is just a placeholder for the DMP M3000 so if you could answer a couple of things with reasons for me.

First:
The DMP M3000 is the successor to the SMAPH-S, why aren't they using the predecessor to the DMP M3000 if Nintendo were deciding to go with DMP again? (Especially when this person alleges it is a handheld only?)

Second:
On their product page, the DMP M3000 is listed as a 28nm chip. http://www.dmprof.com/product/graphic_ipcore/m3000.html
If the Tegra X1 which is a 20nm with a completely different architecture to the DMP M3000 is being used as a placeholder, why are Nintendo going with a 28nm chip that would be less power efficient?

Third:
Give me your opinion on what is more likely, a 28nm chip from DMP or a 14nm chip from Nvidia?
 
lwilliams3 said:
Not with the original Wii U components. For reference, the Wii U used roughly 35w during gaming, and that doesn't include the Wii U's Gamepad screen. A good portable would have to be around 5w.

The EDRAM and CPU will be a big manufacturing issue, and even if they made it, it would also be much more ineffective than using modern handheld tech.
The Wii U's GPU has a dx10-equalivant feature-set vs NVIDIA's dx12, and the CPU is several times weaker in capability than the newer ARM A57s, A72s, etc.
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Well BOTW is announced, and the thing is a portable, so it would have to match WiiU's power to some degree.
 
Mihael Mello Keehl said:
Yall wanna know why SMD and PE have people talking about them? Cause they try to break down and say why this happens.

Eurogamer are just.. believe us because we have reputation so trust us. Thats it.

Thats all there is to it. Is it bad cause people want to do that? Anybodody following this whole NX circus level headed wont be a dissapointed person. Thats for babies
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I think it's more because they constantly push out video after video and tweet after tweet of speculation whereas Eurogamer hasn't said much since their rumor. Not to mention they say a lot of what people like to hear.

I wasn't gonna post in this thread so as not to bump it but it seems to have gained traction lol. I feel like the only reason they get a thread is because they post their speculation in the form of videos as opposed to gaf or reddit posts.

I actually haven't watched any of their stuff since SMD had that debacle with the Nintendo source. Speculation is fine and all but no matter how well reasoned or how well informed the people speculating are, they don't necessarily know where Nintendo's head is at. It's all up in the air. Not to mention SMD has a bit of history speculating Nintendo consoles to be powerful, though that doesn't necessarily take away from the merit of his current arguments whatever they are.
 
DerekOfTheDykes said:
This is why people are taking the Eurogamer leak seriously. It isn't some semi-trusted source on twitter. It isn't a couple of nobodies whose fansites see upwards of ten whole visitors a week.

One of the largest and most widely respected gaming news publications out there pretty much put their entire reputation on the line by saying that this is exactly what NX is. Not reporting a rumor, not saying it was possible, they proclaimed it as fact, based on sources. Then, yes, other publications (AND twitter peeps) confirmed it with their sources. If Eurogamer is wrong, their credibility and that of some other sites will be in the tank, and that's people's ACTUAL CAREERS being harmed.

This, compared to two or three dudes who ran fansites vying to be internet famous, and who when proven wrong will simply disappear back to their actual day jobs with no real damage to their personal or professional lives.

Gee, and I wonder why we don't listen when PlayerEssence and SMD ask why we would listen to the big sites.
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I think you're taking this a bit too seriously... it's called speculation and supposed to be fun. They're just giving their opinion based on research they provide for a good talk. I don't see the harm in that. If they're taking it too seriously though they'll be the ones hurt. I hope no one does because in the end this is all for good fun.



No. A couple of insiders said people weren't happy about it getting so much attention (which didn't mean it was real), and I believe somebody at IGN or Gamespot said that it jived with a couple of things they'd heard, but nobody came out and said "yes, this is real, this is what NX is".
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OK now you're straight out bluffing.
 
gafneo said:
Well BOTW is announced, and the thing is a portable, so it would have to match WiiU's power to some degree.
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lwilliams3 isn't disputing it will match the Wii U's technical capabilities, just that a literal newly shrunken version of the Wii U components isn't a good way to do that.
 
Hazu said:
I saw this image posted on a gaming forum, do you guys know where it comes from?
(sorry if it's old material)

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Almost certainly fake (the fact he's just playing the BotW E3 trailer on the TV is a give away) but I actually kind of like how the main unit and the dock looks.
 
Malus said:
I think it's more because they constantly push out video after video and tweet after tweet of speculation whereas Eurogamer hasn't said much since their rumor. Not to mention they say a lot of what people like to hear.

I wasn't gonna post in this thread so as not to bump it but it seems to have gained traction lol. I feel like the only reason they get a thread is because they post their speculation in the form of videos as opposed to gaf or reddit posts.
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And one of their problems with video after video is that they constantly need new material. And they suffer because of it like believing a random commenter on a blog and doing no background check or anything to try disprove and discredit other outlets and their rumors and sources.
 
Luigiv said:
Almost certainly fake (the fact he's just playing the BotW E3 trailer on the TV is a give away) but I actually kind of like how the main unit and the dock looks.
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It came from 4chan. The shadows on the device are all wrong, Link is running but they don't have their thumb on any joystick. It's a bad photoshop.
 
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