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[CartridgeBlower]

It seems that this is central to their plans -- even more so then DRM, considering it's the one controversial thing they have decided NOT to change.

If it remains that you have to have it connected at all times...why didn't this change, too?

 

[Showaddy]

I'll hold out. Chances are they'll be a cheap, kinect free model at some point in the future.

 

[Darryl]

If I wanted an Xbox I'd probably want the Kinect, so no I don't really care.

 

[Gaming Nostalgia]

It's still a deal breaker for me. It's an invasion of privacy and if it breaks down my system is useless until I get it fixed.

 

[DragonSworne]

I'll let the early adopters get their personal information transmitted to the government. I'll wait a bit to make sure nothing fishy is going on and that the games are worth the invasion of privacy.

 

[KennyLinder]

I have privacy issues with forced Kinect, so was hoping that would get dropped.

 

[kuroshiki]

If they can remove DRM on the whim, that kinect required bullshit can also be removed.

We pushed this far and microsoft should just give up and give gamers kinect free version.

 

[Mindwipe]

I don't think it's great, but I can buy a cardboard box with some foam in it if I'm that desperate.

 

[StuBurns]

They've just shown they'll cave if we bitch enough, so I say we bitch more and get rid of it.

 

[Corsick]

I'll hold out. Chances are they'll be a cheap, kinect free model at some point in the future.

Then why force it to be there right now and put a 100 dollar gap between you and the competitor that is beating you right now? Why make concessions on things except the one thing that would change the price of the console and do TONS for your perception in the eyes of the very casual that cares a ton about price, probably much more so than DRM? I get wanting the install base to have a kinect, but there is a difference between that and FORCING it to be connected at all times. I would advocate removing it from he bundle all together and not just the "has to be plugged in requirement."

 

[maquiladora]

It's the last remaining dealbreaker for me. I know it won't be for many people, but I really don't want to be forced to have a damn camera connected all the time for my games console to be functional.

The fact that it would make the console cheaper is an added bonus. The price difference still gives Sony a big advantage that MS can take away by making it optional.

Get rid of the kinect rules and I'll buy an Xbone eventually for the exclusives.

 

[EMT0]

That MS abandoned all other methods to make money off of their customers that they had cooking aside from the most profitable one. Prepare to get data mined and have your info sold to telemarketers guys.

 

[LuchaShaq]

Forced kinect is why I'm getting ps4 day one and Xbox one somewhere between day two and year five.

 

[AstroNut325]

This is THE one thing I like about the Xbone. I want the voice command capabilities. But I'm not paying $500 for it.

 

[pushBAK]

Still a con that it requires a Kinect, but the good outweighs the bad now.

 

[Xion4360]

didnt they say it can be turned off completely? what is the big deal.

 

[Barakov]

I'll pick one up when they ditch the kinect. That is still a deal breaker for me.

 

[Zombie James]

Still a huge issue. It's not necessary and it's driving the cost of the system up by at least $100.

 

[Bsigg12]

It's funny how paranoid some of you are.

But its a non issue for me. I already have kinect setup

 

[Warm Machine]

I have privacy issues with forced Kinect, so was hoping that would get dropped.

Those issues are about as substantial as the front facing camera requirement on new smart phones.

 

[Coolwhip]

For me the mandatory Kinect was as big as a dealbreaker as the DRM. It's still ridiculous and I doubt it's even legal in Europe.

 

[PoweredBySoy]

I just don't want one - has nothing to do with privacy or tinfoil hats. I just hate voice/motion controls.

 

[jtb]

I feel $500 richer. thanks MS!

 

[E-DuB]

I'll hold out. Chances are they'll be a cheap, kinect free model at some point in the future.

One and done. etc, etc. I saw no reason to purchase the first kinect and I haven't seen a reason yet to buy a system that makes it use mandatory.

 

[BrokenEchelon]

You should be able to block the camera and microphone on the thing with sticky-tack or something.

If that's effective, then fine.

 

[MorisUkunRasik]

I don't want to pay $100+ for a packed in item I have no desire to use. It's the one last thing keeping me from getting a Xbone.

To me, MS might as well have packed in a compressed cube of recycled plastic that was worth $100. I'll get a Xbone once its kinect free.

 

[DragonSworne]

Those issues are about as substantial as the front facing camera requirement on new smart phones.

Your smartphone doesn't have software that knows when you smiling, sitting in the dark, your heartrate, etc.

 

[Jackson]

I doubt it's even legal in Europe.

Wat?

 

[statham]

privacy issues? Don't have your XB1 connect to the internet.

 

[rockx4]

Forced Kinect still makes the Xbox One less appealing... it's also $100 more than the PS4. before it was 0:100 in favor of PS4. Now its more like 30:70 still in favor of PS4.

 

[speculawyer]

Well a hardware change is not nearly as easy as a software change.

 

[Coconut]

As long as it can actually read my inputs I'm fine with it.

 

[Freki]

Well, yes and no - if/when I decide to buy an xbone I'll leave it completely offline for that very reason.
But it isn't the complete dealbreaker it was with mandatory internet connection.
I'd prefer to be able to physically unplug kinect though...

 

[Sophia]

It's still an issue for me, but only because I lack room to really make use of Kinect.

 

[Chezzymann]

I honestly don't care because I don't have anything to hide at my house if they ever were to spy on me, which they aren't.

 

[Snipes424]

I'm more concerned about another point of failure. If your kinect falls off your TV and breaks you can't use your $499 console because of it.

 

[kick51]

I feel like that is stupid as shit and is a huge turn off even without the DRM.

 

[JHall]

Duck tape can fix anything.

 

[Stat!]

Was never remotely an issue for me. I couldn't careless but I don't have privacy issues to feel that MS is spying on me at all times .

The only thing I cared about the camera was that it only responded to Xbox On when it was powered "off" and that it booted the system instantly.

 

[knicks]

I'm pretty sure they are going to make a Xbone without Kinect and sell it for $399. In fact after this announcement and all the "blah blah we listen to feedback" I guarantee you there will be one announced before it launches. Some MS bitch boy already tweeted that "more is to come"

 

[Randolph Freelander]

Kinect = no sale. Confirmed.

(But I'm generally completely displeased with everything about the way Microsoft views gaming, DRM or no DRM. I've had enough of them with 360.)

 

[Seanspeed]

Everybody probably feels the same exact way they felt about it the last 100 threads on it.

This is just a lousy attempt to drum up MS hate in the face of good news.

 

[BuzzJive]

I'd rather have DRM and no Kinect (and no, that's not an endorsement for DRM at all...)

 

[Servbot24]

Duck tape can fix anything.

It will be able to sense that something is blocking the camera.

 

[Lynn616]

Didnt MS say that you could turn Kinect off in the privacy settings?

 

[KennyLinder]

Those issues are about as substantial as the front facing camera requirement on new smart phones.

Yes and No. No privacy in your living room with a camera pointing at you is 1984-crazy.

 

[Archaix]

It's still a dealbreaker for me. Beyond the privacy concerns, I just don't want to pay any money toward a Kinect. It would be a waste of the purchase price and a dumb decision for me to buy it.

 

[Vilam]

Kinect was one of my two main problems with Xbox One all along, and until its mandatory connection requirement is changed I'm still keeping my distance from the Xbox One.

 

[Coolwhip]

It will be able to sense that something is blocking the camera.

And then a laser will melt it off.

To those comparing it to your smartphone. Your smartphone can't read your heartrate or use nightvision to see through your clothes.

 

[Rubikant]

Do not want!

Even before the DRM stuff was announced, I had decided against the XBone based on this alone. That certainly doesn't change now. Even though I had a 360 this gen and didn't get a PS3, I'd much rather have a PS4 than an XBone due to this.

I don't like Kinect's features, I don't have a convenient way to hook it up in my entertainment center, I don't like some of the scary stuff I've heard about related patents from MS (like facial recognition ad targeting), and I don't want to be forced to pay $100 more for a console that is weaker because they feel their silly attempt to tap into Wii's market is somehow relevant now.

More than any of that though, I don't want devs to feel pressured to put Kinect functionality in all their games like Wii developers felt they had to replace button presses with wii-mote waggle. Having it a required component is going to do just that. PS4's camera thingy isn't built-in, so devs may add value-added features but if you don't care to use it, the vast majority of games on PS4 won't expect you to.