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So Marvel Cinematic Universe Villains...
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Oldest_Ancient
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Came to ask this. Biggest villain in the MCU
flintstryker
Banned
Red Skull is my favourite, though as I have said before that may well be because I am a huge fan of Hugo Weaving
Edit: Pretty much all the other villains have been pretty shit imo, really never got the love for Loki
Edit: Pretty much all the other villains have been pretty shit imo, really never got the love for Loki
Imperial Bishop
Banned
Marvel would have treated Doom a LOT better than how he was treated in Fant4stic.
It wouldn't be the same.
He'll be doing all the Thanos evil in Infinity War.
Honestly, comicbook movie villains have never been mind blowingly good. Most of the "good" ones just chew scenery like it's their job and are therefore memorable - Green Goblin, Doc Ock, Loki, Kingpin, Joker, etc.
Businessmen or military villains are a dime a dozen but most of them aren't "bad." I don't see much of a gulf in quality between William Stryker (X2) and General Ross, Iron Monger, Yellowjacket, etc.
Then there are the bruiser types like Doomsday, Ronan, Ultron, Abomination, and they all very between forgettable and just OK.
Psychological villains like Lex and Zemo are pretty rare.
Magneto is a sympathetic villain but fuck, they've retreaded his arc so many times now, he's more boring than good at this point.
Businessmen or military villains are a dime a dozen but most of them aren't "bad." I don't see much of a gulf in quality between William Stryker (X2) and General Ross, Iron Monger, Yellowjacket, etc.
Then there are the bruiser types like Doomsday, Ronan, Ultron, Abomination, and they all very between forgettable and just OK.
Psychological villains like Lex and Zemo are pretty rare.
Magneto is a sympathetic villain but fuck, they've retreaded his arc so many times now, he's more boring than good at this point.
SomedayTheFire
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Zemo was the best villain.
If you're gonna say "His plan relies on too many coincidences!" you didn't watch the movie closely enough.
(Actually, Kingpin is best, but movie-wise Zemo was the best as a villain. Loki is the most charming/crowd pleasing villain character tho.)
The Silver
Member
Yep, movies absolutely have a big villain problem
Mighty Chin
Banned
Whiplash doesn't get enough love. He was great. Shit ending though. They could've gone another 5 mins to sell the danger though. Mickey was great. I'd like to see what was left on the cutting room floor.
A handful are good like Loki and really good like Kingpin but the rest are all forgettable and terrible on all fronts. If you think they are great villains you need to watch and read some more works of fiction. They aren't even good compared to their marvel comics counterparts.
What does no threat mean?
"too many quips"
If this is indeed the case, can you tell me what Zemo's plan would have been if Tony didnt show up to explore the secret base on a whim along with Steve and Bucky at the end of the movie?
Coffee Dog
Banned
I actally liked Yellowjacket. He was introduced as comically evil and then was shuffled into the background until the end of the film.
If our villains are going to be paper thin moustache twirlers, then that's how you do them. Not have them take up unfortunate amounts of screen time and bore us to tears with backstory.
If our villains are going to be paper thin moustache twirlers, then that's how you do them. Not have them take up unfortunate amounts of screen time and bore us to tears with backstory.
Imperial Bishop
Banned
I would like to know what GAF's idea of a good comic book movie villain is.
Tony's got email.
It's not like he couldn't have taken the video and used it as ammo later.
Put up the video on the internet? Eiher way, Tony finds out and goes after Bucky and splits the Avengers
Kenzodielocke
Banned
TV, good villains, bad heroes
Movies, bad villains, sometimes good heroes.
Movies, bad villains, sometimes good heroes.
Like I said, I think it's usually just someone who chews scenery and isn't annoying or nonsensical. Most of the good ones are all about presence.
What makes Joker "good" in TDK? The performance is like 90% of the appeal, the remaining 10% is the direction.
Waiting to see if they took the bait. If they hadn't or if only Cap and Bucky showed, there's nothing to suggest he'd of stuck around. He baited all of them deliberately.
Alx
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It should have been plan A. Same result, zero risk, and he wouldn't even break the law, let alone kill anybody. Heck, Stark may even have rewarded him.
Anyway, I think only Loki was a great villain in the MCU, and even then only in the first Thor. Kingpin was ok too, I guess.
I'm still fond of the villains from the Raimi Spider-Men (1 & 2), even if their main trait was "something bad happened and they went crazy".
I dont know.... William Stryker was depicted pretty well and had some interesting motivation behind his scheme
Astral Dog
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i thought he was?
Calm waterfall
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Zemo, Ultron great? Lol. They are horrible villains. Ultron wanted to built a meteor, and Zemo killed 6-7 winter soldier that could possibly threaten the avengers.
Deadpool is made by Fox not Disney / Marvel.
This.
He is not. Deadpool takes place in the X-Men Cinematic Universe but not the MCU.
Not sure why Zemo killing the winter soldiers means anything. He wanted them to crumble from the inside, not just get fought against some soldiers that would most likely lose. In the end he won and the Avengers split.
Mighty Chin
Banned
I'm pretty sure he would have revealed to Tony at some point who killed his parents. Then World Domination.
I think that actually was plan A but the hydra guy at the beginning didn't cooperate
But how does Zemo know enough Winter Soldier's involvement in
Howard and Maria Stark's deaths
They split for a weekend.
TheDarkKnight774
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No secondary villians?
Hammer - pretty good. Even though he's more of a comic relief, he does have significant means and a chip on his shoulder.
Nebula - Karen Gillan really seems to act against type here (based on her offscreen personality, never seen her in anything else) she does a good job with the role
Trevor Slattery - Definitely a comic relief but Ben Kingsley's Mandarin at least deserves an honorable mention for performance.
Rumlow - good in Winter Soldier. Felt a little too over the top and underutilized in Civil War.
Thunderbolt Ross - come on! Probably the best thing about TIH, glad they brough him back and I look forward to seeing more of the character going forward.
Chitauri - okay there isn't much to them but they made for a good fight in Avengers and their tech has created more lore and problems for the Avengers than I ever expected. They put the team on the ropes if they weren't able to close the portal and I doubt we've seen the last of them.
Necromorphs/Dark Elves- okay those guys really were fodder
Korath - decent at least it is another character to demonstrate the power of the Kree. We will definitely see more of them and they can be one of the most interesting alien races in the MCU so far
Zola - wish he made a comeback for Civil War. More than Red Skull, more than Pierce, Zola was the main driving force behind HYDRA's resurrection in SHIELD.
HYDRA - the best organization in the MCU. Sure they've been consistently defeated but their shadowly nature is pitch perfectly executed and they feel like a looming threat.
AIM - yeah a bit of a disappointment.
AoS shout out - Jiaying, Cal, Raina, Whitehall, Lash, Hive, Malik, Garret, Quinn, Talbot all pretty solid and at the very least, AoS had helped show that HYDRA was a legit threat and almost impossible to kill off. They look like pussies in the films by comparison, but to be fair almost as incompetent.
Daredevil shout out - everyone talks Kingpin but Madam Gao, Nobu, Punisher, Wesley, Elektra are all soild villains. Very solid.
Agent Carter - Dottie was cool I guess
Jessica Jones - Jeri was pretty heartless. Bootleg Steve Rodgers was at least entertaining.
Hammer - pretty good. Even though he's more of a comic relief, he does have significant means and a chip on his shoulder.
Nebula - Karen Gillan really seems to act against type here (based on her offscreen personality, never seen her in anything else) she does a good job with the role
Trevor Slattery - Definitely a comic relief but Ben Kingsley's Mandarin at least deserves an honorable mention for performance.
Rumlow - good in Winter Soldier. Felt a little too over the top and underutilized in Civil War.
Thunderbolt Ross - come on! Probably the best thing about TIH, glad they brough him back and I look forward to seeing more of the character going forward.
Chitauri - okay there isn't much to them but they made for a good fight in Avengers and their tech has created more lore and problems for the Avengers than I ever expected. They put the team on the ropes if they weren't able to close the portal and I doubt we've seen the last of them.
Necromorphs/Dark Elves- okay those guys really were fodder
Korath - decent at least it is another character to demonstrate the power of the Kree. We will definitely see more of them and they can be one of the most interesting alien races in the MCU so far
Zola - wish he made a comeback for Civil War. More than Red Skull, more than Pierce, Zola was the main driving force behind HYDRA's resurrection in SHIELD.
HYDRA - the best organization in the MCU. Sure they've been consistently defeated but their shadowly nature is pitch perfectly executed and they feel like a looming threat.
AIM - yeah a bit of a disappointment.
AoS shout out - Jiaying, Cal, Raina, Whitehall, Lash, Hive, Malik, Garret, Quinn, Talbot all pretty solid and at the very least, AoS had helped show that HYDRA was a legit threat and almost impossible to kill off. They look like pussies in the films by comparison, but to be fair almost as incompetent.
Daredevil shout out - everyone talks Kingpin but Madam Gao, Nobu, Punisher, Wesley, Elektra are all soild villains. Very solid.
Agent Carter - Dottie was cool I guess
Jessica Jones - Jeri was pretty heartless. Bootleg Steve Rodgers was at least entertaining.
In terms of movies, yeah none of have been amazing. Ultron had potential to be one of the best.
Loki's probably the most memorable for me.
Zack Snyder and Geoff Johns top of the list for me, biggest MCU villains in my opinion.
http://www.thewrap.com/captain-america-avengers-infinity-war-steve-rogers-russo/
http://mcuexchange.com/anthony-russo-talks-avengers-infinity-war-and-the-divisions-from-civil-war/
I mean... These basically confirm it won't be solved so quickly as some think it is. If anything we won't see the Avengers unite until Avengers 4.
Zemo won.
If Zemo won Tony would have turned Cap in.
Those two characters had a spat. They had one in Age of Ultron too.
Bro, he was baller as fuck.
The movie ends and they are still split, if not by personal differences by the Accords.
Team Cap are fugitives. Steve is no longer Captain America. Natasha is in trouble for helping them, same with Black Panther for hiding Bucky, Rhodey is paralyzed, and Tony and Vision are agents for the government. Add to that Hulk and Thor are MIA and the Avengers don't exist atm, or at least they've been splintered into a group of Secret Avengers, assuming others followed Cap to Wakanda.
Zen_Arcade
Banned
Ultron should have been so much better.
That one is pretty easy to answer. The entire conflict was manufactured by Zemo with the exception of the Lago incident. Tony and Steve were on the verge of coming to an agreement more than once in the film, and if Zemo had let Tony do the digging himself, the Avengers probably wouldn't have been broken up because the situation would have been approached under calmer circumstances.
We don't really know what Zemo would have done if he had gotten everything he wanted from the ex-Hydra agent or if Tony hadn't shown up. There is an aspect of contrivance at play in that just about everything works out in Zemo's favor but the nuts and bolts of his plan were flexible enough to where had things not gone exactly according to plan, he would have orchestrated a confrontation in a different setting. It's not a plot whole though, it's a minor contrivance in a movie.
That's just a jaded assumption.
Captain America is no more and half of the Avengers are wanted outlaws. Zemo won.
Of all the villains, Ward was the most surprising and likable.
He did the worst things to his family and friend and brought the worst from people even from the nicest man ever
He's a product of evil and became a source of evil himself. He's a tragic figure but you can't feel bad for him. He owns his choices and doesn't look for redemption even though you would want him to.
Honorable mention to Jekyll. He really nailed the delicate balance between insanity and determination.
Agents of Shield really has the best villains.
He did the worst things to his family and friend and brought the worst from people even from the nicest man ever
Couldon did cold blood murder by crushing a thorax
Honorable mention to Jekyll. He really nailed the delicate balance between insanity and determination.
Agents of Shield really has the best villains.
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