Judging by Eva in MGS3 the MGS universe has a higher grade of implant than ours.
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So Metal Gear's "Quiet" figurine features squishable boobs.
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Judging by Eva in MGS3 the MGS universe has a higher grade of implant than ours.
Wasn't Ground Zeroes relatively tame in the joke department? Sure, the franchise has quite a history concerning toilet humor, but just taking Ground Zeroes as context it didn't seem like such a crass contrast to me.
sensui-tomo
Member
I hate to be this guy, but would it be fine if they (konami, play arts ) made male equivalent figures of this nature? aka squishy butts, rugged chests, groapable testicals (i think MGS2 had you grab them for an attack?) since the sexualization would be on both genders. Since there is nothing wrong with Sexualization or sex. You don't have to like sex and thats fine.
CrowDieSlow
Banned
It would be just as juvenile (and stupid) but it wouldn't come with the same baggage.
Relatively, but we're still talking about a game that is still going under the same MGSV banner as this (sorry if the commentary isn't your thing, but it was the easiest way to find this clip...)
Shyakugaun
Banned
Based Kojima
CambriaRising
Member
Haha. Nice.
I kinda want this to happen just for the shit storm.
You're a terrible person.
no way! I thought that Quiet was designed with big boobs and no clothes because of her past and personality.
what a shock when I found out that her figure has squishy boobs.
how dare you making it like that, how dare you.
let's all wave the disgusting flag at her squishy boobs! BOOO
what a shock when I found out that her figure has squishy boobs.
how dare you making it like that, how dare you.
let's all wave the disgusting flag at her squishy boobs! BOOO
I kinda want this to happen just for the shit storm.
I hope it doesn't, for the sake of, y'know, not horribly offending an already heavily marginalized community.
The Smoking Bun
Banned
I just remembered Ground Zeores had a young woman with a bomb implanted in her vagina.
That's horrifying but something that could happen in a world with terrorist organizations like ISIS going about
So on one hand you want to disgust us and make us feel bad and all the blah blah about horrors of war and the like.
Then you go out and release a doll with malleable breasts like the game was Leisure Suit Larry or something.
The tonal shift is the issue. If Quiet was a DOA character, I wouldn't have a problem
How do you expect me to take a character seriously if the creator promotes her by applauding the squishiness of her breasts?
I hope he doesn't go that far. Kojima's smart but he lacks tact. Everything he does is to shock or draw attention
That's horrifying but something that could happen in a world with terrorist organizations like ISIS going about
So on one hand you want to disgust us and make us feel bad and all the blah blah about horrors of war and the like.
Then you go out and release a doll with malleable breasts like the game was Leisure Suit Larry or something.
The tonal shift is the issue. If Quiet was a DOA character, I wouldn't have a problem
How do you expect me to take a character seriously if the creator promotes her by applauding the squishiness of her breasts?
I hope he doesn't go that far. Kojima's smart but he lacks tact. Everything he does is to shock or draw attention
waitwhat42
Member
I want to play this game.
I don't think a plastic toy with squishy boobs gives the wrong impression about the gaming industry at all. There is a myriad of issues in this industry when it comes to the interpretation and representation of women in gaming and if this stupid toy helps them realize that then good for them.
MadClacker
Member
5 years ago, no one here would have bat an eyelid. People would have just laughed, chuckled, slapped their knee and moved on. But now, like everything else in the world - people get upset. I'm not saying things like this toy should be the norm or anything like that, I just come from the old fashioned way of thinking that if you don't like it, don't buy it. Stop getting so upset over the most insignificant of things and let people have their fun. I have stated before just how fed I am of this politically correct world.
Don't get me wrong, I don't believe women should be treated any less than men. Men, women, we're all human. I couldn't give a solitary shit if someone released a toy depicting a male character with a squeezable penis. I would likely chuckle and get on with my day.
I know full well this post will stir up and annoy strong PC minded people, but know that I don't intend to offend. This is just my opinion. I'm entitled to a strong opinion, just as everyone is. The dialog is important, but we shouldn't label people bigots or sexists simply because their views differ from your own. I have no reason to believe that Kojima, and/or whoever else is involved in these games are out to offend women or degrade them in any way. It's just them having some tongue in cheek fun. You may not like it, and that's fine too. Just don't let it ruin your day.
Not that I particularly care about what people on an anonymous message board think of me, but I ask you don't cast judgement or doubt upon me or my beliefs and feelings. Just because my views are different to yours doesn't make me, or anyone else on here, a bad person. Chances are we'll agree on something else.
Personally, I feel this is just another instance of political correctness gone mad and that people should just nut up, get over it, and move on. If you disagree, fine. Like I said, it's not the end of the world. However, if this this view outright offends you, then I genuinely feel sorry that you're so narrow minded and ignorant to not accept that their are others out there that feel differently to you.
Have a nice day everybody!
Don't get me wrong, I don't believe women should be treated any less than men. Men, women, we're all human. I couldn't give a solitary shit if someone released a toy depicting a male character with a squeezable penis. I would likely chuckle and get on with my day.
I know full well this post will stir up and annoy strong PC minded people, but know that I don't intend to offend. This is just my opinion. I'm entitled to a strong opinion, just as everyone is. The dialog is important, but we shouldn't label people bigots or sexists simply because their views differ from your own. I have no reason to believe that Kojima, and/or whoever else is involved in these games are out to offend women or degrade them in any way. It's just them having some tongue in cheek fun. You may not like it, and that's fine too. Just don't let it ruin your day.
Not that I particularly care about what people on an anonymous message board think of me, but I ask you don't cast judgement or doubt upon me or my beliefs and feelings. Just because my views are different to yours doesn't make me, or anyone else on here, a bad person. Chances are we'll agree on something else.
Personally, I feel this is just another instance of political correctness gone mad and that people should just nut up, get over it, and move on. If you disagree, fine. Like I said, it's not the end of the world. However, if this this view outright offends you, then I genuinely feel sorry that you're so narrow minded and ignorant to not accept that their are others out there that feel differently to you.
Have a nice day everybody!
orthodoxy1095
Banned
No, I perfectly understood your comment. It was a more elaborate version of the sentiment expressed in comments like "Oh Japan" or "lol Japan."Tell that to Anthony Bourdain and any other "celebrity traveler" and get back to me. Telling me I'm "indicting an entire country" is pretty absurd. But that's fine if you assume that, I'm not here to be toxic, just engage in conversation.
CrowDieSlow
Banned
Those things don't really have to conflict unless you want them to.
Winterfang
Banned
How can anyone even pretend to say this isn't perverted.
CrowDieSlow
Banned
All that needs to be said.
Holy Order Sol
Member
not everyone just too many people
It's silly but also at least entirely optional. When battlefield diarrhea became an actual part of the storyline and was impossible to avoid that's where I drew the line. So far Phatom Pain seems to at least avoid that.
50 years ago (altho...) blatant racism was chill! PC correctness gone amuck!
Fiercedeity
Banned
Sounds great, might get one just for the hell of it.
I think everyone agrees it's pervy. depends if the perviness offends you or not.
Moon_frogger
Member
The bomb in the vag was a tonal trainwreck, although I don't think there is a good way to present that.
No, we don't tbh
Or at least I don't deny that people play games for a LOT of different reasons and not all people want to play mature and artsy games and not all people want super serious and grounded characters...
EDIT: The figure is amusing tbh, don't offend me at all but I can see how it can raise some eyebrows... would like to have one just for the novelty of it =/
Why, back in my day women couldn't vote, and we liked it!
CrowDieSlow
Banned
So a fictional female character being sexy is the same as racial injustice?
I had to, too perfect.
I mean.. that doesn't remove the fact that this is a sexually exploitative toy made likely by and for men that removes the agency and power over a woman's sexuality from the woman. The power dynamics, yes even in a toy for a fucking video game, are off.
To be clear: its a dumb thing, but its also a dumb thing in an industry that has tremendous gender issues that you can't ignore in this context. There is definitely a discussion to be had that shouldn't just be hand-waved away by "oh its just a toy, chill"
LOL. that face. Oh Kojima. I wonder how old that program would think Kojima is based on that.
EDIT: BAH! no fun allowed.
Anton Sugar
Member
I'm still betting it will be related to sexual abuse/trauma, and it will be handled awfully.
Missing those good old days when I was allowed to beat my kid!
#OutrageCulture.
CadetMahoney
Member
Is this just like other anime/japanese figures with enormous boobs or will this be in Toy R US in the west or something?
The Smoking Bun
Banned
True enough, so like I said, we need to grow out of this. If Kojima's a feminist then he's a unique type where he takes it so far in the opposite direction that we realize it's wrong and work to correct it. Problem is, everyone realizes that representation of women is an issue. But they blow it off
In any piece of fiction you pick a tone and stick with it. James Bond in real life would occasionally have moments that resemble a comedy film or a romance. But we only get the "spy" and "action" moments in the movies. What if the movies included the comedy slapstick moments too? Wouldn't that be weird?
Kojima is actually pretty Bollywood that way
Would it be okay to get upset about that? I shudder to think how actual abuse victims who played the game to take their mind off things would feel
Kojima = Good Intentions, Poor Execution
Like the class clown trying to explain Kafka
I cant believe I am about to jump in, but you guys are doing a logical fallacy too, and YOU KNOW it. And you also know that you are in the majority, so it is okay then!
#gladToBeLiberal
Seriously. He is not asking for beating kids and no voting rights for blacks, he is just not outraged by a toy.
Majukun
Member
I usually don't mind a "tonal shift" in narrative..life is like that..sometimes something bad happens when a moment before you were laughing at a fart joke
but i still find the whole thing stupid..but also predictable since "quiet" was made for fanservice and cosplay in the first place for what i read.
Video games are art but that doesn't mean they can't be stupid as shit. Michael Bay films are testament to this. I love me some Bad Boys but it's a stupid ass movie.
We don't need to grow out of anything we just need to grow period. There's not nearly enough variation in how characters are presented or included. I don't think we should be in a situation where we're telling people don't do this, I think ideally we should be telling them try more.
Demoskinos
Member
We have a winner! This x1000
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
Tonal shift has been a thing with Metal Gear since the PSX era.
I cant believe I am about to jump in, but you guys are doing a logical fallacy too, and YOU KNOW it. And you also know that you are in the majority, so it is okay then!
#gladToBeLiberal
Seriously. He is not asking for beating kids and no voting rights for blacks, he is just not outraged by a toy.
See my edit above.
CrowDieSlow
Banned
If it's done well, no. Things to don't have to be extremely serious 100% of the time.
I find judgmental attitudes like "haha I bet the person that designed this has never touched a real woman" to be more juvenile than this figurine, honestly.
I'm also not sure why art and sexuality are apparently mutually exclusive in your world.
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