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(whatever the DS game format is)

It's the one remaining guy! I've found him! GET THE BASTARD

 

[TheJollyCorner]

I just don't understand this. Why do people think Square has to help the PS3. Sony doesn't how S-E. And S-E doesn't give a shit of what will happen to Sony if they flop. They just want to sell their game (FF XIII) as it has already been announced for the platform.

Looking at the situation Sony is right now S-E sure won't take the risk to remake FF XIII on the PS3. They don't care about potentially being able to revive the platform. It's just too risky. The PS3 is not S-E's console.They are independant and have no obligation to help SCE.

*sigh*


once again- The White Engine. *ethelred beat me while I was typing this epic :lol*
If anything it's an obligation to the expensive engine they specifically designed for the PS3.


DCharlie will try to make you believe it either doesn't exist or has been replaced by UE3, but he's wrong.


Also, do you honestly think Sony hasn't thrown S-E a few bones to hold on to FF? If they lose the main series, they're done in Japan. At least now they still have a chance. They know that, Square knows that, everyone knows that. It's bad enough that Sony's lost Dragon Quest.
SCE execs just had a meeting with S-E execs in March or April to discuss the future. How much you want to bet S-E said "under the table, how much is Final Fantasy worth to you?" and out of all the scenarios that can be and should be money-hatted, you can bet your ass this one was.

Sony has done very little this gen to wrap up a lot of 3rd party exclusives- and come on, the whole "we don't buy 3rd parties, we earn them" line was just PR bullshit. It's no secret they are concentrating on 1st/2nd party work, having/had problems with the UE3 engine thus effecting the respective 3rd party ports, and trying to appeal to the high-techhead designers with PS3's architecture. I guess they feel trying to money-hat companies like Capcom and Namco now is a complete waste of time... but Square-Enix and Final Fantasy is something I can feel confident to guarantee they've worked some kind of hush-hush deal, ala Konami and MGS4.

Sony might be shitting the bed when it comes to securing other big 3rd party games (i.e. DMC4, VF5, Ace Combat 6, i.e.), but I'd imagine they'll do absolutely above and beyond what they would normally do to secure FFXIII and MGS4... and a FFVII Remake if it ever happens.


If not?
To quote every Chicago Cubs fan I know: "See you next season", Sony.

 

[PistolGrip]

I just don't understand this. Why do people think Square has to help the PS3. Sony doesn't how S-E. And S-E doesn't give a shit of what will happen to Sony if they flop. They just want to sell their game (FF XIII) as it has already been announced for the platform.

Looking at the situation Sony is right now S-E sure won't take the risk to remake FF XIII on the PS3. They don't care about potentially being able to revive the platform. It's just too risky. The PS3 is not S-E's console.They are independant and have no obligation to help SCE.

Because Gaming is not just about competition between console manufactures. Its a fight for entertainment. Next Gen consoles flopping means a lot of gamers begin to choose other forms of entertainment as companies like Squareenix go for the quick buck. Both need to be successful. Squareenix needs the PS3 to succeed because they are one of the leaders of epic, impressive next gen titles.

fortunately most developers want to continue to innovate with technology. Gameplay can only go so far, and its usually just copied once the right formula is found. Power provides so much more possibilities and visions to be realized.

 

[Weisheit]

with ps2/wii graphics it already would be a downgrade from the techdemo,and that is not acceptable

You must be disappointed with Killzone 2 huh?

 

[Hcoregamer00]

If you haven't noticed, Square took a huge risk by putting the original Final Fantasy on the PS1, an unknown kid in the block the has no history in the console gaming market whatsoever and left all their fans on the Nintendo console to cry bitter tears. Square, which may seems hard to believe do to all the remakes, do take life altering risks sometime so a PS3 FF7 remake is just as viable as the PSP/DS/PSP solution. However, Sqaure doesn't like to gimp content and bastardize their games to cater to the lowest common denominator. If the previous statement were true, we would have seen FF7 on the N64 and FF8,9,10,12 on all the platform already. The fact that they took the risk to support the PS1 and not gimp it so it could be played on the other more established platform speaks volumes for itself.

Another point being whether a DS FF7 remake is a practice solution and a matter of convenience for the consumers. If you remeber, FF7 took up about 3 or 4 disks on the PS1, so how many cartridges (whatever the DS game format is) is gonna span? How much data does it hold compared to the CD? I don't think carrying a plethora of cartridges for one game on a handheld is very practice. Of course, this wouldn't be a problem for the older Final Fantasies since they don't require that much space, hence all pre FF7 remakes that have been released on it so far.

For your "lowest common denominator" statement, they did make games for the PS2 as opposed to the XBOX and PC. This is the first generation that the Sony console is the most powerful one. FF7 on PSX is not because of power, it is because of how Nintendo treated 3rd parties like crap and they chose a medium that they didn't like.

DS FF7 is very possible, remember that in the 3 discs of the game they had a lot of redundant data that is recycled in each disk. Then you consider that they could use compression to cram the remaining data unto a cartridge. It is very feasible for them to do it for the DS and make quick cash. The worst they can do is take out unnecessary cut scenes (which are prevalent in all Final Fantasies from FFVII onwards).

 

[Steroyd]

Why do people want a FFVII remake on the DS. :'(

I want graphics, fully voiced cutscenes, sweet looking summons, better sound quality for Sephiroths theme, hell the PS2/Wii is a better option than the DS.

besides how will a DS version

Spoiler

fit on a catridge anyway?

 

[badcrumble]

Why do people want a FFVII remake on the DS. :'(

I want graphics, fully voiced cutscenes, sweet looking summons, better sound quality for Sephiroths theme, hell the PS2/Wii is a better option than the DS.

besides how will a DS version

Spoiler

fit on a catridge anyway?

By looking worse than the original.

 

[Hcoregamer00]

Why do people want a FFVII remake on the DS. :'(

I want graphics, fully voiced cutscenes, sweet looking summons, better sound quality for Sephiroths theme, hell the PS2/Wii is a better option than the DS.

besides how will a DS version

Spoiler

fit on a catridge anyway?

I said it a million damn times, it would be a port, not a remake.

A DS version would work because of redundant data, data compression, and begging Nintendo to make a larger cartridge.

 

[ethelred]

DS FF7 is very possible

No. No, it really isn't.

 

[Pureauthor]

Because Gaming is not just about competition between console manufactures. Its a fight for entertainment. Next Gen consoles flopping means a lot of gamers begin to choose other forms of entertainment as companies like Squareenix go for the quick buck. Both need to be successful. Squareenix needs the PS3 to succeed because they are one of the leaders of epic, impressive next gen titles.

I'm willing to be that if SE's 'epic impressive next gen titles' that is, FFXIII and FFvsXIII, there'd be less worrying about SE's bottom line than there currently is.

 

[badcrumble]

I said it a million damn times, it would be a port, not a remake.

A DS version would work because of redundant data, data compression, and begging Nintendo to make a larger cartridge.

I know that RE2 for N64 was able to fit some prerendered backgrounds and (hideously compressed) FMV, but FF7 on a cartridge? And on a handheld? Just... no. I don't think you understand the technology you're talking about here. Run back to your marketshare numbers.

 

[PistolGrip]

I said it a million damn times, it would be a port, not a remake.

A DS version would work because of redundant data, data compression, and begging Nintendo to make a larger cartridge.

The question was WHY WOULD ANYONE WITH ANY SENSE WANT THIS! if anything get the PS1 version and use a PSP to play it on the go.

 

[Weisheit]

*sigh*


once again- The White Engine.
If anything it's an obligation to the expensive engine they specifically designed for the PS3.


DCharlie will try to make you believe it either doesn't exist or has been replaced by UE3, but he's wrong.


Also, do you honestly think Sony hasn't thrown S-E a few bones to hold on to FF? If they lose the main series, they're done in Japan. They know that, Square knows that, everyone knows that. It's bad enough that Sony's lost Dragon Quest.
SCE execs just had a meeting with S-E execs in March or April to discuss the future. How much you want to bet S-E said "under the table, how much is Final Fantasy worth to you?" and out of all the scenarios that can be and should be money-hatted, you can bet your ass this one was.

Sony has done very little this gen to wrap up a lot of 3rd party exclusives- and come on, the whole "we don't buy 3rd parties, we earn them" line was just PR bullshit. It's no secret they are concentrating on 1st/2nd party work, having/had problems with the UE3 engine thus effecting the respective 3rd party ports, and trying to appeal to the high-techhead designers with PS3's architecture. I guess they feel trying to money-hat companies like Capcom and Namco now is a complete waste of time... but Square-Enix and Final Fantasy is something I can feel confident to guarantee they've worked some kind of hush-hush deal, ala Konami and MGS4.

Sony might be shitting the bed when it comes to securing other big 3rd party games (i.e. DMC4, VF5, Ace Combat 6, i.e.), but I'd imagine they'll do absolutely above and beyond what they would normally do to secure FFXIII and MGS4... and a FFVII Remake if it ever happens.


If not?
To quote every Chicago Cubs fan I know: "See you next season", Sony.

Their already done in Japan, FF or not, just remember Wii sports will outsell FF12...
As for DQ, you speak as if its a smaller franchise than FF, its not and it was a much bigger blow to Sony than the loss of FF would've been.

 

[badcrumble]

Their already done in Japan, FF or not, just remember Wii sports will outsell FF12...
As for DQ, you speak as if its a smaller franchise than FF, its not and it was a much bigger blow to Sony than the loss of FF would've been.

Not being the number one console is not the same as being "done" fyi

 

[sakuragi]

It's the one remaining guy! I've found him! GET THE BASTARD

:lol sue me.

 

[Hcoregamer00]

I know that RE2 for N64 was able to fit some prerendered backgrounds and (hideously compressed) FMV, but FF7 on a cartridge? And on a handheld? Just... no. I don't think you understand the technology you're talking about here. Run back to your marketshare numbers.

Well, you just answered your own question. They fit RE2 on the N64 which ran 2 disks. The current DS cartridges are 4x larger than the RE2 cart.

I would run back to my marketshare numbers, but the PSP software sales depress me.

The question was WHY WOULD ANYONE WITH ANY SENSE WANT THIS! if anything get the PS1 version and use a PSP to play it on the go.

Simple, portable Final Fantasy.

That explains why people bought the GBA ports of FF4-6.

 

[Steroyd]

I said it a million damn times, it would be a port, not a remake.

A DS version would work because of redundant data, data compression, and begging Nintendo to make a larger cartridge.

Yes and a port would not fit on a cartridge, it was too much for one CD for a reason.

 

[TheJollyCorner]

Their already done in Japan, FF or not, just remember Wii sports will outsell FF12...
As for DQ, you speak as if its a smaller franchise than FF, its not and it was a much bigger blow to Sony than the loss of FF would've been.

world-wide, DQ isn't nearly as big as FF.

How much did DQVII and VIII sell in the US and EU compared to FFX and XII again?


and no, Sony isn't done in Japan yet. Sure, they'll most likely remain defaulted in 2nd place this whole gen, but there's still a lot of time left for Sony to make a profit off PS3 worldwide. Again, most people are just waiting for an affordable price. A game like FFXIII just slams an exclamation point on that.

 

[Weisheit]

Not being the number one console is not the same as being "done" fyi

Agreed.

Spoiler

call me when their ahead of Gamecube.

 

[jarrod]

*sigh*


once again- The White Engine. *ethelred beat me while I was typing this epic :lol*
If anything it's an obligation to the expensive engine they specifically designed for the PS3.

DCharlie will try to make you believe it either doesn't exist or has been replaced by UE3, but he's wrong.

Again, Square's not going to throw good money after bad, obligation or not... if White Engine projects fail to make a decent return as is, they're not going to keep pumping more into it essentially just because. The writing's on the wall, more likely than not the WE will become a footnote associated with a couple Kitase/Nomura vanity projects (who are the only team leads bothering with it at all).

And the next KH, if it's coming within the next three years, assurredly won't be using it imo (whether that's "Kingdom Hearts 3" or not though remains to be seen). Honestly, I'd mostly expect a Wii ARPG with a subtitle (likely from the Musashi team) or a DS CRPG spinoff (from Jupiter again).

 

[Weisheit]

world-wide, DQ isn't nearly as big as FF.

How much did DQVII and VIII sell in the US and EU compared to FFX and XII again?


and no, Sony isn't done in Japan yet. Sure, they'll most likely remain defaulted in 2nd place this whole gen, but there's still a lot of time left for Sony to make a profit off PS3 worldwide. Again, most people are just waiting for an affordable price. A game like FFXIII just slams an exclamation point on that.

The discussion was in the context of Japan.

 

[Xzbeat]

*sigh*


once again- The White Engine. *ethelred beat me while I was typing this epic :lol*
If anything it's an obligation to the expensive engine they specifically designed for the PS3.

Ok. So you're saying they must use this engine and a 15+ million dollars to remake this game and sell 3+ millions copies in Japan while they can just do it on the DS and sell 3+ million copies (they would because of the huge userbase. The fans would probably be pissed though and skip the game.) and thus making more profit?

 

[Hcoregamer00]

Yes and a port would not fit on a cartridge, it was too much for one CD for a reason.

Data Redundancies + Data Compression + large cartridge = Possible

It would be even more possible if they removed unnecessary cut scenes.

The bigger problem is FF8 and FF9 that are 4 CD's and use more of the CD.

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

I see while I was on my coffee break everyone proceeded to get up on the fucking cross.

1) It absolutely will come someday.
2) That day won't be in the next couple of years.
3) The chances of it coming this gen are entirely reliant on the PS3's fortunes, because it would take an act of the Taru Jesus for it to happen on the other systems for all the various reasons mentioned thus far. So if you really want it, you'd better hope and pray the PS3's future moves from "NeoGeo" to at least "Nintendo64".

 

[AnimeTheme]

DS FF7 is very possible

A FF7 remake may come to PS3, Wii, PSP or even simply multiplatform (home console-wise). But if I must rule out a current platform that has NO chance to get the remake, it must be DS.

Seriously, who really wants to see a FF7 remake that looks NO BETTER than the original one and very likely need more than 1 cartridge...?

 

[TheJollyCorner]

*sigh*


once again- The White Engine. *ethelred beat me while I was typing this epic :lol*
If anything it's an obligation to the expensive engine they specifically designed for the PS3.

Ok. So you're saying they must use this engine and a 15+ million dollars to remake this game and sell 3+ millions copies in Japan while they can just do it on the DS and sell 3+ million copies (they would because of the huge userbase. The fans would probably be pissed though and skip the game.) and thus making more profit?[/QUOTE]


Exactly. Like others have said, there are still people that care about advancing the medium.

 

[Steroyd]

A DS version would work because of redundant data, data compression, and begging Nintendo to make a larger cartridge.

wait a minute!

A Xbox 360 version would work because of redundant data, data compression, Blu-ray isn't needed

Oh shit i fell into the trap... and I'm out of this part of the discussion.