It's F2P, and totally different from wow. Not even themepark bro.
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SOE Live 2013 - EverQuest Next Thread: Return of the Sandbox [free2play]
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Let's get the nostalgia party started.
ooh. This means there could be more to show than previously thought. Or rather, that they want to elaborate on things they've shown in the trailer for a moment, then diverge to each panel.
aliencowz7
Member
It's not so much the fact that they saved something against better business judgement, its more what they decided to save. They have been proving time after time they no longer really have the pulse of what fans of the genre want from there games. Vanguard was just one of those times this happened.
Not to mention for every game that doesn't deserve saving like Vanguard a company like SoE steps in for, another game that actually did deserve the intervention dies off entirely. There are only so many resources to go around and so many chances to take a risk before you need to play it safe again.
Yes, yes. You dislike SOE.
piratepwnsninja
Member
Oh no, Jira is excited. Death knell for the game! j/k
I'm actually really excited for next week. I keep a SOE Station pass active just to try all the things they release.
I'm actually really excited for next week. I keep a SOE Station pass active just to try all the things they release.
Pound_lb003
Member
Wish it weren't a cartoony art style... That's all. 
aliencowz7
Member
Erm, I was replying directly to him responding to something I had previously said in the thread. Probably a poor idea to make assumptions about what extent I like or dislike SoE as well. I spent over 2 and a half years of in game /played time actively playing Everquest, I played a considerable amount of SWG before the changes they made drove me off and I played EQ2 for a more then modest amount of time.
I'm not really sure what else you want from me, there isn't a company that exists in the entire world that has never done anything poorly or that I would disagree with. I have still given SoE an immense amount of money and time and am still excited about the reveal of EQN.
This is a discussion thread which means that all facets of SoE and there games can and should be discussed, including the positive and the negative. Could certainly do without the sarcastic remarks any time anyone has concerns though.
Honestly I am having some of the same people taking umbrage with anything I bring up that could be seen as less then positive here that I did whenever I voiced concerns or brought up something I didn't like in the GW2 thread and that is unfortunate.
I just don't understand why you bother following a company that you don't seem to like much anymore.
If I felt that way about a company, I wouldn't care about their games, maybe that's just me.
aliencowz7
Member
There is a veritable ocean between not liking anything about a company and being of the personal opinion that the particular level of hype is higher then what i feel there recent output has justified.
I have had alot of issues with parts of recent entries in the final fantasy series but I still buy and enjoy most of them to some extent which of course means I will follow whats going on with the series. That doesn't mean I am as hyped for the third FFXIII game as I would have been coming right off of IX and X. Not everything is black or white and often times people will bring up what they don't like about something simply because they care about it being the best product it can be.
Artemis-Thoth
Member
Wish it weren't a cartoony art style... That's all.
We don't know the style yet, that was just a painting paying homage to Parkinson's original piece.
I really hope that on day 1 I get to fall to my death in Kelethin!
I better be able to train mobs from orc hill to the lifts...
Even GW2? Sucked in what way? In terms of how YOU enjoyed it, or the game itself?
Ha, definitely not a kid but never played a MUD (you still might have some years on me!). I actually didn't play EQ at launch, I started at Ruins of Kunark (best expansion ever). I still can't believe I convinced my parents to slap a credit card on a game, that was a pretty foreign concept back then.
Edit: Keeping the nostalgia party going. I friggin' love this set of EQ music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICIL_QIVLvE
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Deleted member 17706
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GW2 is the one you choose to defend? What about it didn't suck? I can answer that: the graphics and music. Those were great. It was an awful MMORPG, though.
Why was it awful? You haven't answered the question.
questionmark
Member
This is what I want. Haven't had it since Lineage II...
Please be true.
Probably the best thing you can hope for. Jira and I have theorized this concept:
- Regional Economies
- -- Basically, each region of the game would have varying needs of the type of mats they need, ore, wood, whatever, and you can go far and wide, find a town that needs more wood, and profit greatly from it.
Ok, I dug up the following information from someone who seems to have got it from idontknowwhere. This info has not been confirmed and I don't know just how reliable any of it is. So take it for what its worth. It could be bs, it could be true. I don't know. I'm removing a few personal details.
General Choomin
Banned
Different servers for pc and ps4 is a must. Since it is f2p it will be full of botters on the pc side. That will ruin the game for anyone who plays on the ps4. Also, no carebear land crap. Creating safe areas so people can gather resources/skills is just another way of protecting botters. If people just want to chat and not risk anything, they can play the hundred other mmos that allow that.
That's all I want in a good MMO. The chance for risk.
That's all I want in a good MMO. The chance for risk.
Hmm, looks like it could be legit, based on all of the crap I have read and watched. If that was posted up somewhere before the painting went up (before we knew about Kobolds being playable) then I bet it's pretty accurate.
Nevermind, I see where you got that from (rerolled)... just posted today. But, Enchanters... woo.
It looks to me if it isn't legit, that he is guessing based on all of the information available. A lot of what he posted has been mentioned before. Races, seamless world, destructible environments, F2P, player studio, crafting, players needing to quest to learn spells, etc. has all been hinted at in interviews and other sources.
instanced housing? some of the more interesting MMO stories i've heard involved ultima online housing. if they were going for a true sandbox feel, they would've given players the options to duke it out over prime real estate. which makes it worse when player crafted dungeons and content is their gimmick. i really hope they aren't betting the house on that. this is just some disappointing stuff all around. hopefully it is fake
Escape Goat
Member
considering the decline and current state of EQ2 I'm quite concerned.
I didn't think they would go for a true sandbox (I hope they don't, I hate true sandboxes.). Most EQ players are playing because of the PVE content and stuff, not PVP.
Did you ever play Everquest? Other than 3-4 servers out of 20+, the entire game was completely PvE and had very little in common with Ultima Online. If you're expecting an extensive PvP game developed by these developers, you might want to temper your expectations. Everquest fans want Everquest, not Ultima Online. Otherwise they would have played Ultima Online since it was thriving around the same time period.
maybe you missed the OP
i know what everquest 1/2 was. i played them. i'm not looking for a sequel, i'm looking for the natural evolution of the genre. the guy has been trying to sell me on a sandbox heavy MMO. if that's true, they took one of the most interesting possible elements for a sandbox game right out at the start.
I think you're going to be disappointed if you're expecting PVP (well, there will be PVP servers I'm assuming) and a true sandbox.
GasProblem
Member
- Abilities are granted passively and the big ones have quests and trials attached to them.
- Their version of emergent gameplay is us creating content via their dungeon maker/player
studio.
- Norrath - the world is gigantic. No zones. The world is seamless.
- After SOE live, beta will begin early Aug/late Sept. they are trying to launch Nov/Dec.
Although I'm not to sure on player created content. We'll see.
because adding in player owned and contested housing would've heavily restricted PVP, what the hell?
mysteriousmage09
Member
If true, the only thing I don't like is housing being instanced.
I just don't see SOE doing this. Housing is a big deal to EQ fans (I mean decorating them, not just owning them).
Still though, we don't know how accurate that information is. I noticed that he didn't even post dwarves or barbarians as playable, and we know they will be.
This is what I was talking about when I said before I wanted to see how SOE are defining the terms "sandbox" and "emergent gameplay".
Under SOE's definition, the Randy Savage dragon mod for Skyrim is "emergent gameplay". This is not exactly how I would have defined the term, its a very loose interpretation of it. But its SOE's game, and not mine, so they can define it however they want to.
That is, if the leak is even true, which I'm not sure of. It kinda sounds legit if I'm honest, but I don't know.
It was a feature I really enjoyed in EQ2.
One thing I didn't like so much was instanced guild halls. I was in a high level guild, can't remember the guild level. 30 or something when I last played years ago. And we had our guild house kitted out, full of vendors, bankers, tradeskill npcs, portals to nearly every place in the game.
Guild houses essentially emptied out the cities, because everything you needed was in your guild hall. People would log out in their guild hall, log in to their guild hall, travel directly to wherever they needed to go using portals/bells. Nobody bothered travelling through the cities anymore and they kinda became ghost towns. They had a detrimental affect to community imo. (Although honestly, server based communities started dying when everything became introverted and server communities were replaced by your guild. Essentially, your guild was the only community then).
I remember being pissed when guild halls could add ports, tradeskill areas, etc., I knew the cities would turn into ghost towns. I hope they don't make that same mistake again.
Yeah, they went too far with it. The convenience was cool and all at first. But isn't this a repeating phenomena in MMO's? When you add convenience, something is always lost. I hate that see-saw. I'm always on the wrong end.
So I'm really intrigued by how Player Studio will interact with the game. Just patched up EQ2 to see what's been made and man, there are some great looking items in there, and I remember loving some of the player dungeons. Given more tools and more freedom I think there could be a lot of interesting stuff.
People will recreate dungeons from EQ1 and EQ2 if the tools are powerful enough. Should be interesting, if done right.
HD frogloks and drolvargs ♥
This is what I want. Haven't had it since Lineage II...
Please be true.
Oh god thats great
Not to be a buzz killer, but Smedley has always stated that he prefers PVP to PVE, that doesn't necessarily mean that's what's going to happen though.
Exploding8
Member
That's not scary either though, because you know it's level. IMO we shouldn't even be able to see the exact "level" of enemies; we should be able to determine if they look too powerful based on how they look and past experience. The only MMOs I've played that don't show levels though are Mabinogi and Star Wars Galaxies pre nge.
Id be hyped for this but I'm assuming it's going to have the same old crappy combat and classes and leveling. Hope I'm wrong but I doubt it *sigh*
Edit: or just have something like "this enemy is very powerful" and "this one is weak" like they did in Mabinogi. If done right it tells you enough to be cautious but not whether or not you are strong enough to kill them on your own.
The original EQ just color-coded, no? IIRC it was something like, blue is lower than you, red is bigger and yellow is kind of in range, but you still might need a group.
I just hope abilities aren't so constrained as they are in WoW, EQ2 and similar games. EQ did a great job of making monsters very powerful but giving (caster) classes powerful abilities that could be used in a lot interesting ways. The skill ceiling was high compared to most MMOs and it really set people apart.
Yeah, you could also gauge if a mob would aggro you or not.
EQ2's 'consider' system was a bit disappointing in contrast, with its ^^ arrow con system. It even told you how many groups you needed for a particular encounter. Made everything seem gamey and plastic, took away any discovery. As a designer, you should be HIDING that shit so the players find out for themselves. But, that doesn't fit very well with how on rails and boring the MMO experience has become. A lot of people give WoW shit for this, but SoE slavishly followed Blizzards lead and were nearly just as bad.