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Some german hardware number: PS3 > Wii > Xbox360 for october

mr_bishiuk said:
??? No it isn't!! For Console gaming closer to 40% than 35% if anything!!

Gaming just isn't a popular hobby outside the UK and those that do game play PC generally
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let me just say i'm loving your damage control in this thread. keep'em coming
 
cjelly said:
I've seen an Elspa presentation from 2003 which puts the UK market at 35%, and it's only gotten bigger since then, so I dare say it's 40%, if not more.
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actually no, software sales were at 32.8%... Not hardware. And actually other markets report record growth in Europe (like Spain).

Consider this - Germany is 4th biggest Console market and they sold 37k PS3's in October. Which means that Uk, France and Spain sold more. We had reports on 100k sales in France for October.

Thats shitload of PS3's sold all over the Europe.
 
If the UK market is 35-40% they certainly didn't show it with PS2 sales. :lol

They may have 35-40% software but definitely not hardware. :lol
 
worthless thread (mainly because of the usual system wars), but i have learned that germany is a relatively small market.
you learn new things everyday.
 
ichigo kurosaki said:
In Spain it's been the same.
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Frankly I'd have expected that. In many things pertaining to taste and habits our countries are very, very similar.

Also, almost unrelated, when there'll be a few must have games and another price drop, I expect to add a PS3 to my two Wiis. :D
 
justjohn said:
let me just say i'm loving your damage control in this thread. keep'em coming
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I dont know what you mean, those month and LTD figures speak for themselves in terms of showing how little they matter in the scheme of things. That is what I was pointing out. Remember German is the largest country in terms of populace but those LTD to date figures are less than 1 months US figures.

I think people are forgetting about how different the cultures are for many of these countries compared to the UK and US.
 
BenjaminBirdie said:
You know these sorts of posts are almost as incredulous as the idea that a 25,000 unit advantage is going to make a significant dent in a multi-million unit deficit.

It's fantastic that the brand is doing well in other regions but posting these hamhanded, faux doomsday replies does nothing to change the fact that the console has a long way to go and that contrary to popular opinion, the posts that you seek to belittle are actually simply examining the market as it currently stands today and do not actually predict the collapse of Sony Computer Entertainment.
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This should be a standard rider attachable to all posts. :lol
 
mr_bishiuk said:
I dont know what you mean, those month and LTD figures speak for themselves in terms of showing how little they matter in the scheme of things. That is what I was pointing out. Remember German is the largest country in terms of populace but those LTD to date figures are less than 1 months US figures.

I think people are forgetting about how different the cultures are for many of these countries compared to the UK and US.
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Wars are won by winning many small battles.
 
~150k behind against a console which has had 15months head start which included 2 Christmas season's to itself.

If the trend has been established now then Christmas should exacerbate it. I think by Christmas 2008 PS3 will be past 360 in Europe. Continental Europe that is.
 
rage1973 said:
You can say Spain is Sonyland but from various numbers from all over Europe, PS3 is getting outsold badly by Wii in LTD numbers. A month of outselling a Wii following a price drop does not show a trend. I love seeing various people pulling numbers out of their ass in this thread with England ranging from 20 to 40% of the market. Instead of posting these numbers why don't you post links with proofs? That is what I love about Europe sales threads, there is no definite numbers so people just start marking things up.
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I kind of didn't even take the wii into account. It's no. 1 in Spain, just like everywhere else. Just not that far ahead of PS3 :P I think I don't really consider Wii as a real competitor for the other 2 as it aims mostly a different market. I mean, even though it's possible that PS3 'steals' games from the 360 and viceversa, it's unlikely that happens b/w the wii and the other two, maybe because of the huge horsepower difference. It's something else.

I wonder how it'll be doing in a couple of years though, when the novelty wears off (I'm not trying to say anything here, I'm really wondering xD)
 
That LTD number is actually pretty miserable. It includes the launch sales, so it looks like the thing was barely moving prior to the price cut.

Germany = PCland, with some Wii mixed in, basically.
 
Rhindle said:
That LTD number is actually pretty miserable. It includes the launch sales, so it looks like the thing was barely moving prior to the price cut.

Germany = PCland, with some Wii mixed in, basically.
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The DS has proved quite a monster in Germany, much more so than any of the new home consoles.
 
ichigo kurosaki said:
I wonder how it'll be doing in a couple of years though, when the novelty wears off (I'm not trying to say anything here, I'm really wondering xD)
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DS has been a hot Xmas seller in Spain for three years in a row, and i expect Wii to do even better since they will launch WiiFit next year, and they will release more accesories like that.
 
ichigo kurosaki said:
In Spain it's been the same. I got a PS3 yesterday and it was sold out in the first 2 stores I checked (one of them being a major retailer which orders fuckloads of units). The 60 giggers have been nowhere to be found for weeks (when they were supposed to last until Xmas...). The difference is it was already doing fine before te price drop. Now it's widening the gap with the 360. But this is Spain, the PS3 outsold the Xbox360 just a couple of months after launch... and it's not like the 360 is doing that bad, it's just that if Europe is Sonyland, Spain is the capital of the country :lol (for reference: Spain is the 3rd biggest market for the PSP after Japan and the US with well over 1 million units sold. We're talking about countries with 260+,120+ million people vs. a country with 45+ million people)
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The lack of 60 GB units at value bundle price in UK annoys the hell out of me. Me and a some relatives had planned to get a PS3 for a friend as a christmas gift, because he is a film buf and is just about to get a HDTV. We planned to bundle it with a Buzz Hollywood Quiz and therefore needed the 60 GB with BC.

This was the reply I got from amazon.co.uk

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Unfortunately, we are currently unable to offer this item, as we're
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If you look up the third aprty sellers of 60 GB at amazon.co.uk right now they are at ÂŁ434.97, which worse than the launch price.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0007SV734/

I have not checked a lot of uk sites yet as amazon have given me great deals before, perhaps the nice priced value bundle is still around somewhere.

I also read this about HMVs sales:
How are sales of the PlayStation 3 on the run up to Christmas? Did the recent price drop make a considerable difference?

Sales are brilliant. The price drop helped, it added a real step change. Supply of the 60GB is just about gone now so we're down to the 40GB unit.

Did you see a jump in sales for the 60GB unit when it was sitting next to the 40GB unit in store – it must have made it look like a really strong offer?

Definitely. Our general consumer base tends to skew slightly upwards anyway. We don't have a problem up-selling, so just like the Xbox 360 Elite, we didn't have a problem selling that either. The price drop on the PS3 was great and it's quite easy for us to up-sell. When you're spending almost £300 I don't think it's a big shock to go higher – don't forget with the 60GB Sony made up some fantastic offers with software. For the consumer they were both brilliant offers.

Do you wish Sony was still producing the 60GB unit so you could continue to sell both, side by side?

Yes. I'd love to have a stockpile of 60GB PlayStation 3's for Christmas.

The way Sony has introduced different SKUs in different regions, there's every chance there will be more models – 20GB, 80GB, 120GB – at some point in the near future...

We can live in hope. Japan has got the 80GB model so we'll see.
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I am not sure what it all means, but to me it looks like Sony UK screw up, right now it -1 sales for them on our part.
 
painful fart said:
The lack of 60 GB units at value bundle price in UK annoys the hell out of me. Me and a some relatives had planned to get a PS3 for a friend as a christmas gift, because he is a film buf and is just about to get a HDTV. We planned to bundle it with a Buzz Hollywood Quiz and therefore needed the 60 GB with BC.

I am not sure what it all means, but to me it looks like Sony UK screw up, right now it -1 sales for them on our part.
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Sony said that the supplies would be limited. You knew that the 60GB bundle would run out, and you waited too long to get it. Why is this Sony's fault again?

This is like people complaining in January for not being able to find a Halo 360 SKU.
 
reilo said:
Sony said that the supplies would be limited. You knew that the 60GB bundle would run out, and you waited too long to get it. Why is this Sony's fault again?
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Is there any particular reason you feel they should not offer Europeans the option of purchasing a backwards compatible model?
 
Rhindle said:
Is there any particular reason you feel they should not offer Europeans the option of purchasing a backwards compatible model?
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80GB?
 
reilo said:
Sony said that the supplies would be limited. You knew that the 60GB bundle would run out, and you waited too long to get it. Why is this Sony's fault again?

This is like people complaining in January for not being able to find a Halo 360 SKU.
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No, because but at least I will be able to find an unbundled 360 for the same price as the bundle in January.

Looking at amazon, they removed the bundle and raised the price about ÂŁ80.
 
Rhindle said:
Not available in Europe, last time I checked.
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Yeah, I just realized that :lol.

Well, that's just, uhm, stupid. Especially when you consider that the 80GB is just the 60GB with a larger HD - and the PAL 60GB already has the software/hardware BC like the 80Gig.

I'm pretty sure they'll introduce the 80GB + game there, soon. At least, they should, if the 60GB stock is out like reported.

Mushashi said:
It could concievably be worth close to that in $value.

Total Euro games market (PC/console software and hardware) was worth $11 Billion in 2006 according to IDG, UK software market alone was worth ~$2.7 Billion in 2006, and revenue has increased 42% in the first half of 2007 in the UK.
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Which is assuming that the rest of Europe has stayed stagnant in their sales? Even if that was the case, and the UK rose 42%, it would still only put it at 32% of European sales. Still a far cry from the 40% number that was being touted.

To assume that the rest of Europe hasn't grown in sales, well, that's just spinning.
 
fortified_concept said:
So that's 24.5%. I hope you're not assuming that while the UK market revenue increased the european one stayed the same.
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That figure is only software sales, which was stated, hardware could easily add another $1.5+ Billion to the UK market revenue, recent console sales have been very big in the UK, Wii sold over a million and DS at 4 million already in the UK.
 
Mushashi said:
That figure is only software sales, which was stated, hardware could easily add another $1.5+ Billion to the UK market revenue, recent console sales have been very big in the UK, Wii sold over a million and DS at 4 million already in the UK.
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oh, you might be right then
 
You can still get the PS3 60gb in a number of places in the UK... just not many. Sony need to move their asses and get the US 80gb model over here rather than just leaving themselves with just the gimped model to sell.
 
Old numbers but yeah. Numbers seem pathetic for a country of our size but home consoles aren't hot property atm it seems.

DS will make a killing this holiday season, it has a very diverse library now and pretty much everyone knows it exists. Plus it's getting bundled a lot by retailers now. Would be interesting to see DS LTD numbers.

Dama said:
FIFA ?
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Price drop.
 
UK is about 25% of EU market.

If PS3 is outselling 360 3:1 in the other 75% of Europe as it is in Germany then it should surpass 360 LTD in Europe late 2008 as I predicted.

In line with Sega's prediction too that PS3 JPN + EU + NA >> 360 JPN + EU + NA by the end of this gen.

The 360 in Europe is like the UK in Eurovision...
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I'd say worse :lol

Although if you listen to GAF's armchair American analysts (who probably couldn't point out Europe on a map), the 360 is selling like gangbusters here.
 
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