crazy monkey
Banned
Just amazing movie.love it.
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Something has survived... Happy 20th birthday, The Lost World: Jurassic Park!
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NealMcCauley
Member
The last time I watched it I thought it was the best Michael Bay movie ever. Seriously.
I enjoy it by the way.
I enjoy it by the way.
Discotheque
Banned
It has its dumb moments but this is so much better than the awful sequels that followed.
Also Pete Postlethwaite (RIP) was great as the hunter too
And nice soundtrack.
Also Pete Postlethwaite (RIP) was great as the hunter too
And nice soundtrack.
MoonsaultSlayer
Member
True.
But at the same time, two of JW's more subdued attack scenes (I-rex escape, and when Claire and Owen are hiding behind the jeep) play out more like the animatronic scenes of old than going with over-produced cg as you say. There's much needed and appreciated (by me) restraint shown.
One of my favorite scenes is when the I-rex cocks its head and takes a bite of that one dude just before escaping. And I'm still not convinced its not an animatronic when Owen is hiding under the truck.
Sorry for the derail, this is about TLW.
I don't know what to say. I don't know why it has to be an either/or. They both look great and I especially noticed how well the animators actually gave weight and character to the dinos in JW. *shrug*
Lys Skygge
Member
Those scenes you mentioned are fantastic. The whole first half of JW is mostly great! But once Owen gets on his bike, shit gets ridiculous.
Overall, The Lost World is easily my favorite JP film. I prefer its darker tone to JP, and the set pieces are better imo. I could do without the San Diego rampage, but it's still fun to watch.
I re-read Crichton's TLW in the lead up to Jurassic World's release and despite enjoying it on previous reads found it a bit boring. The film isn't the best, but I found it had a bit more going on as it borrowed from the first book to fill out the story. The ending sequence on the mainland was tacked-on and unnecessary, like the writers were looking for an exciting resolution, couldn't come up with one, and just made a street-level Kaiju film.
I think the Lego Jurassic Park missions are the best telling of this story, ahead of both the film and book.
I think the Lego Jurassic Park missions are the best telling of this story, ahead of both the film and book.
MoonsaultSlayer
Member
I found myself most looking forward to the TLW segments myself. Did not disappoint. That open valley in the moonlight was a standout section.
The original films had limitations with the technology and so there's a few tricks with the blocking and use of light during the dino sequences. The creatures aren't as detailed and the compositing is a bit off, but the rigidity of the animation makes them more consistent with the animatronics.
With modern CGI, they can manage a lot more detail and nuanced effects under a broader range of lighting, and as such, are more likely to show off the creatures so you're seeing a lot more. A lot of the action sequences are also put together on digital stages, like the Indominus aviary attack, where almost everything in shot in pieced together digitally and feels a bit plasticy. The final shot of Rexy stepping out onto the helipad also feels far too fluid and over animated so it doesn't feel right when viewed next to her appearance in Jurassic Park.
Both styles have their strengths, but I think a happy medium would be a more restrained approach with the modern tech.
I wish the extended cut was on blu-ray, as it had that awesome scene with Pete Postlewaite fighting a dude with one hand re-inserted into the movie
Also soundtrack highlights:
https://youtu.be/WS_bXsjaFS4?list=PLjRowCawXg2-X6hkjJs33msLh2tgI7831&t=37
https://youtu.be/5avkUOwBJtc?list=PLjRowCawXg2-X6hkjJs33msLh2tgI7831&t=56
https://youtu.be/ineXW3WdbUU?list=PLjRowCawXg2-X6hkjJs33msLh2tgI7831&t=44
Also soundtrack highlights:
https://youtu.be/WS_bXsjaFS4?list=PLjRowCawXg2-X6hkjJs33msLh2tgI7831&t=37
https://youtu.be/5avkUOwBJtc?list=PLjRowCawXg2-X6hkjJs33msLh2tgI7831&t=56
https://youtu.be/ineXW3WdbUU?list=PLjRowCawXg2-X6hkjJs33msLh2tgI7831&t=44
HomerSimpson-Man
Member
When it first aired on tv broadcast on Fox, which paid a fortune for it back in the 90s, I remember they would air the extended cut of the film that had his deleted scenes and yeah it gave better insight for his character than only just that crazy big game hunter.
Mighty Chin
Banned
The acrobatic daughter was the worst, plus the taking of the baby trex was terrible.
Other than that I enjoyed the movie.
Other than that I enjoyed the movie.
Jawmuncher
Member
Movie has it's good moments, but I remember when I was younger watching JP3 more. Since it was more action packed. TLW biggest issues to me was it's pace. Still love the way the movie looks and the idea of in gen on the island doing their own thing until Malcolm and co fuck it up.
Mainly because, even after all of that it was still Humans vs Dinosaurs. Rather than evil corporation let's kill them and hide the evidence.
Mainly because, even after all of that it was still Humans vs Dinosaurs. Rather than evil corporation let's kill them and hide the evidence.
ROUGE_BLOCK
Member
This movie commits the worse sin a sequel can, it's infinitely more boring than the original. Like besides the trailer scene it was like a low-key Godzilla movie where instead he lives at the end.
Jurassic World is a stupid movie but it's still more entertaining and impactful than the Lost World. Though it's better than JP3 but that's the equivalent of a participation trophy in soccer.
However the book was very good, not as good as Crichton's original but it's up there.
Jurassic World is a stupid movie but it's still more entertaining and impactful than the Lost World. Though it's better than JP3 but that's the equivalent of a participation trophy in soccer.
However the book was very good, not as good as Crichton's original but it's up there.
The Driver
Member
I forgot to mention as far as tie in stuff goes, the light gun game was cool as fuck too.
https://youtu.be/C-m9Wj-IEZY
Think it would be neat if they used Deinosuchus or the carnos like they used in the game for future movie sequels.
Keep the gun shit away though, that's fun in games but I never wanna see soldiers against dinos in these movies.
https://youtu.be/C-m9Wj-IEZY
Think it would be neat if they used Deinosuchus or the carnos like they used in the game for future movie sequels.
Keep the gun shit away though, that's fun in games but I never wanna see soldiers against dinos in these movies.
I loved the animatronics. I disliked how the story veered so far off from the novel as I liked the mystery and science involved. I didn't mind the T-Rex rampage but thought they should have taken it further with raptors. There is no way the rex was able to kill all those boat workers when she was inside the cargo bay.
Fancyarcher
Member
The problem with JW is that Universal clearly wanted to rely sorely on CGI, that was an order. Now CGI isn't bad, in fact there's some good CGI in JW, but you just can't beat practicals mixed with CGI, most of the time.
CheeseConey
Member
Love the Lost World almost as much as the first.
For me its JP>TLW>JW>JP3
For me its JP>TLW>JW>JP3
Raptors were supposed to have killed them, but they never filmed it. Really bugged me as a kid lol.
May I ask how old were you? I'm just curious, because I was like 7 when the movie dropped, and I fucking loved it. I recall watching the Oscar's for the first time because it was nominated for Visual Effects lol. When I got my hands on the VHS, I would watch it over and over and over. Usually back to back with the original. Playing with the toys all the while. I had a poster that roared lol.
I don't like it near as much as I did back then, but there is definitely an element of nostalgia attached to the movie for me.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
The first act and the first part of act two were stellar.
CheeseConey
Member
I thought the rex was originally not in the cargo hold, it broke out and killed the people on the boat. It ended up going into the cargo (maybe chasing after someone) and one of the injured/dying people on the boat closed it on it. I believe the restraints the rex was originally in can be seen all torn up on the deck. Could be wrong, need to go rewatch that scene.
In retrospect, it would have been such an easy oversight to fix
Have a dead raptor body found on the ship as they are making their way to the cabin or something
Demoncarnotaur
Member
yes please
Honestly, I don't think the movie explains what happens. I just can't see the Rex killing those people like they were. It really feels like a scene is missing, you can tell.
Fo'real.
Lys Skygge
Member
That makes sense. One of the bodies is holding the control to open/close the cargo hold. Maybe the guy died closing it. Anyways, its a pretty sloppy scene.
Honestly I'm one of those guys who prefers JPIII to The Lost World, but I still appreciate a few scenes and the excellent score.
Also, as much as I might dislike TLW, had they tried to track closer to the novel it would have been waaaay worse. While JP the book works on a different level than the film, they can stand alone. The Lost World is just a pretty poor novel overall.
Also, as much as I might dislike TLW, had they tried to track closer to the novel it would have been waaaay worse. While JP the book works on a different level than the film, they can stand alone. The Lost World is just a pretty poor novel overall.
Something that the Lost World does well and is lacking from the third and fourth films is a bit of non-dinosaur action, namely the post-Rex trailer sequence with Malcolm et al. clinging to the rope. JP1 had Tim and Grant escaping a Ford Explorer falling down a tree, and then there's the electric fence sequence that has Grant guiding the kids over whilst Sattler works to restore power. All the action in JP3 and JW is dinosaur-based, which deviates from the theme of chaos in nature and paints the dinos as serial killers.
sixteen-bit
Member
Happy anniversary
This is as good a place as any to ask...
Way back when, TLW had a webpage that you could log into (think similar to the Carrington Institute from Perfect Dark) that gave clues to a potential Jurassic Park III (before it was made).
I remember reading that the proposed third installment would jump between times; taking place between JP and TLW, during TLW (for example, showing in detail what happened aboard the ship that ran aground in San Diego in TLW) and then finishing after that to a potential fourth movie that would be a new island.
I distinctly remember trying to log-in to the site and also reading about the time jumping.
Way back when, TLW had a webpage that you could log into (think similar to the Carrington Institute from Perfect Dark) that gave clues to a potential Jurassic Park III (before it was made).
I remember reading that the proposed third installment would jump between times; taking place between JP and TLW, during TLW (for example, showing in detail what happened aboard the ship that ran aground in San Diego in TLW) and then finishing after that to a potential fourth movie that would be a new island.
I distinctly remember trying to log-in to the site and also reading about the time jumping.
Dr. Black Jack
Member
Movie's OK but the book is hot fucking garbage, easily Crichton's worst. It's obvious that he shit it out for the movie rights.
Unclebenny
Member
I've had this debate at work recently and it seems the best place to bring it up.
Jurassic Park films in order of quality.
My list is in order of release so- JP>JP2>JP3>JP:LW (4).
It caused massive enjoyable consternation. I can see no valid argument of the first being the best. to be honest it is the only "good" film out of all of them.
Personally I hates Jurassic World, it was antithesis of what I loved about the first one and the series as a whole. I can swap it and three around without too much fight though.
Some people put Jurassic World as number two in quality and I decided never to speak to them again. It makes my work really hard but this is important.
Jurassic Park films in order of quality.
My list is in order of release so- JP>JP2>JP3>JP:LW (4).
It caused massive enjoyable consternation. I can see no valid argument of the first being the best. to be honest it is the only "good" film out of all of them.
Personally I hates Jurassic World, it was antithesis of what I loved about the first one and the series as a whole. I can swap it and three around without too much fight though.
Some people put Jurassic World as number two in quality and I decided never to speak to them again. It makes my work really hard but this is important.
🤔
supermarioworldE
Banned
What a mess.
The Lost World might be the best Jurassic Park sequel (haven't seen World), but man is it clear that Spielberg's just not good with sequels. Every character in the film except Kelly is a complete moron. Janusz Kaminski's work doesn't come close to Dean Cundey's on the first JP. The ending in San Diego was a clear last minute change that lacked excitement and made no sense. And as a whole, the film feels very mean spirited.
From the opening scene with the Poppy's munching on the little girl, to the T-Rex eating a dog, It reminds me of Temple of Doom, with Spielberg trying to throw in whatever nastiness he can allow in a PG film.
The music is okay, which is surprising, coming from John Williams. I know he worked on quite a few films in 97, but I just dont remember much of his score. It's more atmospheric, which is understandable, given the direction the sequel went.
On a positive note, the film does indeed have some good set pieces. The cliffside trailer sequence was neat (apart from the stupidity of Sara bringing in a baby T-Rex), the T-Rex sequence at the camp was exciting (apart from the stupidity of Sara keeping her T-Rex bloodstained shirt), and the raptor chase was fun (apart from the stupidity of Kelly's gymnast kick).
If you haven't noticed though, the very poor writing takes away from all the great sequences in the film, and that's my main problem. No excitement can fix how dumb the scrpt is. It's bad.
The Lost World might be the best Jurassic Park sequel (haven't seen World), but man is it clear that Spielberg's just not good with sequels. Every character in the film except Kelly is a complete moron. Janusz Kaminski's work doesn't come close to Dean Cundey's on the first JP. The ending in San Diego was a clear last minute change that lacked excitement and made no sense. And as a whole, the film feels very mean spirited.
From the opening scene with the Poppy's munching on the little girl, to the T-Rex eating a dog, It reminds me of Temple of Doom, with Spielberg trying to throw in whatever nastiness he can allow in a PG film.
The music is okay, which is surprising, coming from John Williams. I know he worked on quite a few films in 97, but I just dont remember much of his score. It's more atmospheric, which is understandable, given the direction the sequel went.
On a positive note, the film does indeed have some good set pieces. The cliffside trailer sequence was neat (apart from the stupidity of Sara bringing in a baby T-Rex), the T-Rex sequence at the camp was exciting (apart from the stupidity of Sara keeping her T-Rex bloodstained shirt), and the raptor chase was fun (apart from the stupidity of Kelly's gymnast kick).
If you haven't noticed though, the very poor writing takes away from all the great sequences in the film, and that's my main problem. No excitement can fix how dumb the scrpt is. It's bad.
More_Badass
Member
I loved this movie when I was younger. I must have seen it like ten times, and practically had the lines memorized. My opinion of it has diminished since then, but the rex attacks on the trailer and raptors in the grass remain some of the best set pieces in the franchise
This film had actual badass raptors
Don't go into the long grass!
I actually still say this line every now and again whenever there's knee high grass
Fine, I'll post my gifs.
Eddie!
The music at this point is amazing.
Loved the LW, third act was terribad but the first two are solid.
Lost World gets a lot of unjust hate in my opinion. Third act was a little stupid but the rest of the movie was pretty solid, and Malcom trying to be the voice of reason/danger the entire first act of the movie is fantastic. It's also the best Jurassic Park sequel.
Bonus - Lost World has the single smartest character in the franchise with Roland Tembo
He only tags on so he can hunt a T-Rex, tells everyone to shut the fuck up because what they're doing is stupid and will get everyone killed, everyone shuts the fuck up and listens to him, he gets to hunt his T-Rex, and then he promptly gets the fuck out because he knows if he sticks around any longer shit's going to go FUBAR (which it does).
Bonus - Lost World has the single smartest character in the franchise with Roland Tembo
He only tags on so he can hunt a T-Rex, tells everyone to shut the fuck up because what they're doing is stupid and will get everyone killed, everyone shuts the fuck up and listens to him, he gets to hunt his T-Rex, and then he promptly gets the fuck out because he knows if he sticks around any longer shit's going to go FUBAR (which it does).
Generic Power Ranger
Member
Always liked this about as much as the original. Awesome movie.
Coincidentally I started a rewatch of the series with my wife yesterday who has previously only seen the first and world.
Coincidentally I started a rewatch of the series with my wife yesterday who has previously only seen the first and world.
RyougaSaotome
Member
I'll never stop being angry with the way Eddie is unceremoniously killed in one of the crueler death sequences in this series.
I'd expect to see that, MAYBE, for a human villain. This always seemed so unnecessary to me.
I'd expect to see that, MAYBE, for a human villain. This always seemed so unnecessary to me.
