The prequels were built on the foundation of all three originals, Return of the Jedi included. Just watch them in the order they were made.
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Something that personally bugs me about the Star Wars universe as we know it
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I wonder if it had that apartment smell? I guess Vader covered it up with some incense before the Emperor came by.
thecouncil
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No, it didn't.
Still somehow more dignified than Darth Caedus's naming in the Legacy of the Force books.
Later on, Darth Caedus admires the new name plaque he ordered on his office desk and thinks about how important it makes him feel. I wish I was joking.
It was an easier edit to make, they had the monster puffy face lying around. And while yeah, using the RotJ emperor would've been better I don't think it was a bad idea to change weird alien monster emperor from Empire, since they already changed it in Jedi. Maintaining the theatrical release is great and should've also been more prominent in some releases, but really it's the one change which I'm ok.
The bunch of cg crap filling the screen? Barf
The weird as hell Han Solo head tilt? Barfff, I'd even be somewhat ok if they decided to make Greedo shoot first or at the same time, yeah it definately changes Han character but at the very least you still maintain the Wild West rough vibe regardless, even if it's a change to make Han more "kid friendly". Still, baarfff
Having Vader yell "Nooo!", one of the most infamous lines in movie history from Sith back into the wonderfully shot Jedi climax scene was just the biggest slap in the face for any viewer. Like I can't even begin to believe the original "Nooo!" made into Sith, nobody should've been ok with that scene, but it was shot by a bunch of complacent assholes so ok, whatever. But putting that in, after everybody exposed that saw it thought it was the worst shit ever(I say this literally, not even people that like the prequels think that line was good delivery or even well thought out venting, at least I'd hope so), they went back and horribly slapped it in? Why would they put that in? Like who thinks it's a good idea, how stupid do they think people are, who the fuck were their focus group!?
Mega barf
Thats very obviously totally different. Obi was never sent out to defeat Maul to become a Jedi. He supported his master and thats about it.
Luke had to defeat the two most powerful Siths(neither Yoda nor Kenobi could defeat) to become a Jedi. What makes matter worse is that Yoda, instead of helping, committed Force suicide for no good reason.
Thats yeah, not really an explanation. But thats on Star Wars.
it literally offended millions of people
So much that they still buy all the crap with the characters on it. Read the comics, watch seriea and discuss the events in those movies for 16 years and counting
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_/¯So much that they still buy all the crap with the characters on it. Read the comics, watch seriea and discuss the events in those movies for 16 years and counting
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that's nice, but doesn't make my statement less true
half the people (conservative estimate) talking about it talk about how shitty it was
Its not true the moment you say "literally millions"
The films arent that good,hell I consider clones to be terrible until the last part. but for most people they're fun movies. Just go out and ask around. Theyll talk about how good they are like and among their favorites like transformers, Pirates and Harry Potter.
Did it offend maybe some hundreds maybe thousands of nerds who treat star wars like a religion and pretend the OT was masterful cinema and storytelling? Yeah, that I can buy
i guess we'll have to agree to disagree. almost none of the talk that i hear in the world is positive regarding the PT. everybody i know thinks those movies are garbage, or at best decent movies for kids. could be a generational thing.
I agree. Basically every Star Wars fan that I ask about the prequels outside the Internet actually enjoy them.
yankeehater
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He HAS rewritten the originals, several times. Ever notice the new Anakin ghost? The same "Nooooooo"? I am surprised he didn't add more references to the prequels to the originals.
BocoDragon
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Everytime the prequels come up in my IRL, I see frowns.
DiipuSurotu
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One might argue these are just cosmetic changes. However, one of the changes that did alter the story is the scene in ESB where Vader talks to the Emperor.
Or at least that the emperor has ruled for a hundred years or something. If Yoda can be 900 years old...
Nothing happens in 6 that influences 1-3 in any way. It's basically an Ewok-filled race to the finish line.
Luke versus Vader and the Emperor also has a lot more riding on it if you know Vader's backstory.
DonasaurusRex
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...you just watched Darth Vader this is your fucked up life and you don't know the cost of using the force?
This isn't actually the Machete Order. The Machete Order cuts out Episode 1.
My point is this is just piss poor story telling. PT tries to justify the existence of the OT by giving you some details about things without coming right out and saying it. It literally is:
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That said, I find people's lack of faith disturbing in this thread. People have pointed out (I think I've counted this right) at least 62 times that the PT is written after the OT which you'd have to be a half witted nerfherder to think otherwise. My point is that while Lucas started the story in the middle and always planned for prequels, he did so in a way that was IMO, half-baked. Darth Vader of course being the constant bridge, I still think it falls flat since basically Vader's development stops once he hits Empire Strikes Back. Ironically, Empire being my favorite of the films, shows Vaders emotional side while again not giving any historical context or clues for the prequels to follow.
I suppose you could say my beef with the OT is that the calls outs or anchor info does not lend itself to be explored in more depth in the PT of which we end up with "It's working!--- My tongue....-- He's holding me BACK!!!---YOU UNDER ESTIMATE MY POWER>...." and thus we come full circle.
My comments on JJ's version or interpretation of the SWCU is that I hope to God in heaven that anything character development wise lays actual ground work for some sort of exposition whereas Lucas gave us "LOLI-JAR-JAR" instead.
FlashbladeGAF
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How does Vader's development stop after ESB?
He had the biggest character transformation in ROTJ than any of the previous OT movies.
Because while they were filming Revenge of the Sith, they had Palpatine's actor film the shot that was put into the new DVD rerelease of Empire Strikes Back, which was being produced at the same time. Kind of a neat idea, IMO, even if the RotS makeup looks a bit worse than the RotJ makeup.
I don't know, but hopefully someone else can remember it. I was just trying to look it up and I can't figure out what it's called. There's Harmy's Despecialized editions, but that's not what I'm thinking of... There's a dude out there who is keeping the Special Edition stuff that makes sense, color correcting and improving the video so that it's not as balls as the Blu-ray release while still making it 1080p based on scans of original 35mm prints, and he's even doing his own new practical special effects to edit into places to make things look better, like adding moving flaps to the background of snowspeeder cockpit scenes in Empire.
[edit] FOUND IT, it's called Revisited: https://swrevisited.wordpress.com/
Found that awesome edit, it's called Revisited: https://swrevisited.wordpress.com/
dragonyeuw
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What the.....Ok. First, Lucas DID NOT have the prequels planned in advance. He had vague outlines of past events at best, like how Vader came to be. Basic outlines without any meat or substance to them. The original Star Wars was written as self-contained. Hell, in ESB he had Luke and Leia kissing so even within the context of the OT, he was making it up as he went along in terms of fleshing out things. Obi-wan's retelling of past events had to be ret-conned in ROTJ as 'from a certain point of view'. He described Anakin and Vader as two separate people because at one point, THEY WERE. Ben's story that 'Vader killed Anakin' was not supposed to be some special way of saying that Anakin was seduced by evil and 'died', it literally meant that Darth Vader killed Anakin Skywalker.
The reason such critical characters like Mace, Quigon, Dooku are never mentioned in the OT is because, there was no concept of them whatsoever 30 years ago. How are you expecting him to leave clues for some hypothetical prequels to take place 20 years later, when he was busy just trying to make sure things lined up within the OT after the first Star Wars film? I mean, what kind of references were you expecting? Vader to say 'yippie' after cutting off Luke's arm, as a 'wink wink' to what he did as an 8 year old?
Second, how can you possibly say Vader has no development post ESB? Did you fall asleep from the midway point of ROTJ till the ending credits?
Duane Cunningham
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Damn. I guess I just realized that Luke and Leia being siblings was a decision made AFTER Empire Strikes Back was completely finished and in the can. I mean, obviously it wasn't in place during ANH since Vader as Luke's dad din't even seem to be at that point. But Leia being his daughter as well... that wasn't even an idea until sometime between 80 and 83. Damn.
dragonyeuw
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That's my point. The OP is complaining about the OT being made with few references to the PT, when Lucas was clearly making shit up as he went along in the OT. There was probably no endgame in mind when the original Star Wars came out, ideas just unfolded and expanded as time went on.
Duane Cunningham
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Sure, I agree with you... no idea what the OP is on about. I guess the expectation is that in 1980 there should have been a scene where Vader is tinkering with his old Podracer or something. Maybe Lucas could have hired still unknown, 29 year old stage actor Liam Neeson to put on some age makeup and appear as a force ghost.
dragonyeuw
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If you find out, please let me know, because I( and seemingly several others) have no clue.
Taht would be maddness although worth a chuckle.
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