You base this statement on what exactly?
Was Sonic Adventure not a "standard Sonic platformer?
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Sonic Lost World Wii U Exclusive
- Thread starter Mihael Mello Keehl
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You base this statement on what exactly?
Was Sonic Adventure not a "standard Sonic platformer?
Valjean Lafitte
Banned
SEGA just shot themselves in the foot.
I don't know how much the rest of you know about Japanese culture (I'm an expert), but honor and shame are huge parts of it. It's not like it is in America where you can become successful by being an asshole. If you screw someone over in Japan, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.
What this means is the Japanese public, after hearing about this, is not going to want to purchase Sonic Lost World for the Wii U, nor will they purchase any of SEGA's games. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but SEGA has alienated an entire market with this move.
SEGA, publicly apologize and make Sonic Lost World multi-platform or you can kiss your business goodbye.
I don't know how much the rest of you know about Japanese culture (I'm an expert), but honor and shame are huge parts of it. It's not like it is in America where you can become successful by being an asshole. If you screw someone over in Japan, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.
What this means is the Japanese public, after hearing about this, is not going to want to purchase Sonic Lost World for the Wii U, nor will they purchase any of SEGA's games. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but SEGA has alienated an entire market with this move.
SEGA, publicly apologize and make Sonic Lost World multi-platform or you can kiss your business goodbye.
I really want to do a good response to this but no matter what I think about, all I can quantify into words is:
wat
Oh god, it's Bayonetta 2 all over again.
Perfect.
Where was this meme orignally from? I forgot
The one that is brought by moneyhatting a 3rd party to switch a game to an exclusive, yes. Same as i'm against the time-exclusive DLC Microsoft signs. If these types of deals would cease to exist, it would cut much of the 'bullshit' that's associated with Console Wars.
Yeah, that's what I meant (and said) generations is traditional/classic sonic. Adventure is an adventure game... I'm basing it on the name 'Lost World' and that it's Nintendo exclusive.
Valjean Lafitte
Banned
Because the japanese public still want Sonic?
At this point, only the US market still care a little about Sonic...
Um, they had differently themed planets and they weren't just minor variatons on the space theme:
Tropical Resort; amusement park
Sweet Mountain; candy theme
Planet Wisp; nature being built over
Starlight Carnival; spaceships
Aquarium Park; underwater, Asian theme
Asteroid Coaster; outer space, creepy lab
+Sonic Simulator; retro theme
Did we play a different game?
Is the PC community large or just vocal? How did the PC version of Generations sell?
Were they? Since Lost Worlds is a platformer, let's only count platformers from this console/handheld generation:
Sonic Rush exclusive
Sonic 2006 MP
Sonic and the Secret Rings exclusive
Sonic Rush Adventure exclusive
Sonic Unleashed MP
Sonic and the Black Knight exclusive
Sonic the Hedgehog 4 MP
Sonic Colors exclusive
Sonic Generations MP
I see a whole lot of (Nintendo) exclusive tittles in that list.
Europe is bigger than America in terms of Sonic.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
WiiU exclusive? Did I hear it wrong or did Iwata say there was going to be a 3DS version.
WHich will be a different game...
sry, but WHERE has it ever been stated that this was originally a multiplatform release?
just because generations was, that doesn't mean anything.
there are even reports in this thread that it may have been offered exclusively to sony at one point (no confirmation on that either).
sounds to me like you'r just pissed because it won't come to your plattform of choice and need that multiplattform bullcrap to cover your bias (like many others).
...Did you seriously not read the other reactions to that post and realize it's a parody????
IrishNinja
Member
you know, the sonic fanbase gets treated 1000% better than any other sega fanbase - statues, books, guaranteed games every gen, comics, etc.
and in return, they make new shitty friends for sonic, indulge furry/fanfic stuff and do things like this
tiggerkiddo
Member
you know, the sonic fanbase gets treated 1000% better than any other sega fanbase - statues, books, guaranteed games every gen, comics, etc.
and in return, they make new shitty friends for sonic, indulge furry/fanfic stuff and do things like this
I didn't know that was the majority of the Sonic fanbase, who knew?
ElectricKaibutsu
Member
I know this doesn't really have anything to do with anything, but I always found it weird: Sonic being on Sony and Microsoft consoles. They just seem like video game companies of a different era, I mean... They aren't video game companies. Sega and Nintendo are the old guard and even though they were once their greatest enemies they were far closer in ideas than these newfangled upstart consoles. Well, that's just my silly perception so I'll shut up now.
tiggerkiddo
Member
Broken cycle thankfully.
Phonomezer
Banned
Durango, PS4 and PC will get the next mainline Sonic, for sure.
Lost World is a spin-off.
Lost World is a spin-off.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Oh cool.
It wasn't stated but common sense points that it would have been. Generations was MP and the last Racing games were. Wii U sales are terrible so it's even less likely a publisher will choose to make an exclusive by its own. There being 3 exclusives sounds more as something that would be an outcome of a negotiation rather than Sega internally and independently saying 'let's make 3 wii u exclusive games'. There's also the question of why needing an agreement if the games were already exclusives.
So all that points that Lost World would have been MP w\o such agreement. And so far there's nothing said to dispel that notion. I would be happy to retract what i said if Sega will say otherwise.
Valjean Lafitte
Banned
I like to think that the old ideals are still alive and well at SEGA, just suffocated by Sammy's mismanagement of the company.
Is that what you said about Sonic Colours to downplay that game even though it was far better than the "mainline" Sonic 2006 ?
Phonomezer
Banned
UMMM I like Sonic Colours and detest Sonic 2006, so no!
clay_ghost
Member
Never thought that people will get bitter over an exclusive sonic game. Guess this means its a good move by Nintendo ;P
So what makes you say that Lost World is any less "mainline" than any possible ps4/xbox3 game?
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
I don't know if Sonic even has a "mainline" series anymore. They're all spinoffs.
Except Sonic 4
Because it's on a Nintendo platform, and Nintendo games aren't *real* games, silly!
Phonomezer
Banned
Because it was pretty much the case this generation - Wii got the 'spin-offs' while the other two got all of their mainline releases ('06, Unleashed, Generations).
To clarify, I think the Wii games (Rings, Black Knight, Colours) were spin-offs due to their rather experimental gameplay, whereas the '06, Unleashed & Generations featured the standard core gameplay one would expect from the 3D Sonic title (with the exception of half of Unleashed, obviously). Not sure you would define it the same way, but I still think there is a "Sonic Adventure 3" or something to that effect in the pipeline for Gen 8 consoles and PC.
Was there ever any explaination as to why Generations wasn't released on Wii? I'm under the impression that it's due to the hardware.
I don't think like that at all and I don't understand why somebody would.
shouamabane
Member
I think it's gone "gordian knot" at this point.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Although the posting of the Sonic Cycle did get a little obnoxious, it doesn't compare to the even worse "CYCLE BROKEN NURR NURR" responses because Sonic Colours was an average passable game and not broken terrible shit like thats some sort of achievement the fanbase's collective heart swells with pride over.
I wonder how much money changed hands here because theres a very real chance the Sonic WiiU sales are going to be a fucking disaster, and Sonics always been on DS and 3DS anyway. Classic Sega step as well really.
I wonder how much money changed hands here because theres a very real chance the Sonic WiiU sales are going to be a fucking disaster, and Sonics always been on DS and 3DS anyway. Classic Sega step as well really.
So your saying that the Wii Sonic games weren't mainline games because they...innovated? That's the strangest arguement I've heard in a long time. Is Zelda 2 not a mainline game cause it was a sidescroller game? Was Mario Sunshine not a mainline game cause it had Fludd? As far as I'm concerned, if a Sonic game is a 3d platformer, its a mainline game, not to mention that all the wii sonic games got levels in Generations, which means that SEGA consider them mainline games.
Linkstrikesback
Member
Despite Wii U sales, All Stars racing transformed sold equally well, (if not best, can't remember the exact figures at the moment) on Wii U. Generations was MP, yes. Colours, which generations followed immediately on from (because at one point you see eggman flashback to when he was lost out in space after the end of colours, which is when he found the time eater). One mainline game being MP doesn't mean anything in terms of any other sonic games.
It probably helps that sonic colours overall sales ended up rivaling generations despite the larger push behind generations, and it being on 4 consoles (PS3,Xbox 360, PC and 3DS) vs just the wii.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
What makes generations and unleashed mainline and not sonic colors? And Wii had unleashed now you just talking crazy.
DICKS AHOY
Banned
what saturn fan needed super mario 64 or crash bandicoot when they had THIS
While it bombed in general, I think Sonic Racing Transformed (not really a Sonic game but it was kinda sorta marketed as one by SEGA) sold best on the Wii U and Sonic has almost always pushed at least a million or so on Nintendo systems, something I think it only managed outside of Nintendo when you combine 360/PS3 sales for each title.
While it means squat in the grand scheme of things due to the irrelevancy of the overall series nowadays, I don't think it's a dumb business decision for SEGA considering that's where most of the series' sales have come from in the first place.
yeah, it was included in sonic generations for that very reason.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
It's not because of one game that people are declaring the end of the Sonic Cycle. It's two. Generations was wonderful.
And a lot of the people crowing about Sonic's redemption are not "the Sonic fanbase" per se... Some of us have been on the "Sonic sucks" hate train ever since the games went 3D, but the quality of Colors and Generations must be recognized. They do imply that an expectation of failure for Sonic games is a dead concept.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
I think I'd agree with "Sonic sells best on Nintendo" from the Gamecube era, but I think the Wii was such a sales anomaly that inflated everything like that which had kids as the target that Sega would be wise to not let cloud their judgement. Same thing with Racing Transformed obviously benefiting from being at/around launch and riding the MUST BUY GAMES FOR NEW CONSOLE feeling that pervades launch adopters, although I guess being a Mario Kart alike at a Nintendo launch is pretty smart.
Money changed hands here, and if it didn't then well, Sega being Sega. Even if the sales didnt set the world alight, PS3, X360, and PC sales aren't some insignificant "oh we can do without them" chunk.
don't make me go back a few pages in this thread an repost the numbers, because it was posted several times that:
1.) sonic racing sold more on wiiu than on ps360 despite its lower install base
2.) every sonic title on a nintendo plattform outsold their "hd counterpart" on ps360 by quite a bit
3.) sonic generations 3ds outsold generations 360+ps3 (probably even + pc, but that's unknown)
multiplattform is probably not even worth the effort for sega, especially if nintendo helps with promotion
it's like the western developer ninteno cycle, only the other way around this time.
next time the wiiu gets left out by a major publisher, I hope I'll see you there defending it's pride.
nintendors
Member
Is there any reason why Sega can't release DC games on the Virtual console?
Beetleking11
Banned
Lol are they expecting to see Mario&Sonic for PS4??