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He didn't say what they should've done instead.
Stark departure from usual confidently wrong Patcher.
Stark departure from usual confidently wrong Patcher.
I think the digital edition is kind of a bad option. Like the Series S is:
-way smaller
-£200 cheaper
like I can see that being super popular with people who just wanna play Fortnite and Fifa and stuff, and its so small you could just set it under your TV in your room really easy. It's also good as like a nice entry level, if you don't have much money but want a next-gen machine. And a Series S + Game Pass, that's a killer deal.
The PS5 Digital though is:
-barely noticably smaller
-£90 cheaper
At that point why buy the digital? You'd make £90 back by buying physical games so quickly, especially because Sony's digital games system doesn't have like a Game Pass alternative, so you're still going to be shelling out fucking loads for games.
Series X vs PS5 Disc is pretty tight competition, but Series S vs PS5 Digital for me is just a total sweep on Microsoft's part.
Only if you paid full price for those 150 games.On average each PS4 owner gets 10 games during it's life cycle. I've got like 150 games so I'm covering for 15 people.
Uhmmm... wrong? Sony doesn't just make $6 per digital game, Sony makes $6 *more* per digital game. In fact, Sony will make $21 for a 3rd party game, $70 for a first party game.
A gamer that buys Miles Morales and Cyberpunk at launch, immediately recoups the losses to Sony.
I don't see the problem, or his case for that matter. Does he even factor in that throughout the consoles lifecycle, Sony will profit from each unit sold? Costs associated with manufacturing, will drop faster than the customer price for both systems. This is just him trying to feel relevant... again.
Speaking to GamingBolt in a recent interview, Pachter said that given the cost of making a PS5, combined with the additional money Sony makes per every digital game sold, they are still taking a loss on each PS5 Digital Edition sold. Pachter says that the average consumer won’t buy the number of games that they’ll need to recoup the losses on a PS5 Digital Edition.
“I think Sony really blew it with that, because as far as we can tell, the cost of making a PlayStation 5 is $450, so they are breaking even on the $500 version, but losing $40 or so on the digital version,” he said. “A disc drive isn’t worth that much. So they’re losing $40, but they gain $6 more per digital game than they would gain otherwise. So you would have to buy a lot of games to cover up the loss, and I just think it’s unlikely many will buy that many games.”
The analyst went on to say that most consumers will still end up purchasing the main PS5 SKU with a disc drive in order to have that option, before adding that Sony will likely make and sell fewer digital consoles.
“I actually don’t think many consumers will want to save the money, I think most would rather have the disc drive on hand so they have the option to take their game to their friend’s house or trade it in or whatever,” Pachter said. “So I think they blew it with the Digital Edition, but it’s hard to tell early numbers, because it’s all sold out anyway, and we don’t know how many of each they made. But I think over the long run, they’ll sell and make fewer digital editions.”
Yeah if you like digital games I get it, but games are gonnae get pricey on the store. The price hike from $60 to $70 was already bad, but over here games are £50, and they went up 40% price hike up to £70, so I'm really skeptical of digital only machines now, because second-hand is often so much cheaper than the digital version later on down the line.Personally I bought the DE cos I tend to play loads of different games at once and I'm too lazy to swap discs. Since I started buying digital games in 2016 I've only bought one physical disc, and that was purely down to the huge price difference on a particular game. And I've bought a couple of dozen games in that time.
With the SSD I'd be even more inclined to swap games frequently. So the reality is that I'm just not gonna be interested in physical games for this thing. Figured in that case I may as well save the £90.
The rise to £70 does concern me, but hopefully the sales will be even more substantial to compensate. I figure they have to be, really.
Because Sony sucks at supplying retailers with enough consoles to even justify a preorder blowoutSo why can't I pre-order one Patch-face?
Yeah if you like digital games I get it, but games are gonnae get pricey on the store. The price hike from $60 to $70 was already bad, but over here games are £50, and they went up 40% price hike up to £70, so I'm really skeptical of digital only machines now, because second-hand is often so much cheaper than the digital version later on down the line.
I'm in the UK too and I was really shocked by the rise to £70. It's definitely a concern.
Personally I doubt it's sustainable. If they had to aggressively discount games from £50 just to keep them selling, they're surely going to have to do the same at £70.
They're not stupid, there's no point having a high price point and zero sales.
That $6 figure makes zero sense. In Europe I can buy new physical games for at least 20€ cheaper than Sony's digital store. The physical game even includes the store's cut!
You have to look at it not in terms of games sold per console but rather games being sold digitally that would otherwise be purchased physically."So they’re losing $40, but they gain $6 more per digital game than they would gain otherwise. So you would have to buy a lot of games to cover up the loss, and I just think it’s unlikely many will buy that many games.”
Does an "average consumer" only buy 5 games across the whole generation? And how did he calculate the effect of not being able to buy used games at all for this SKU, exactly?
Only if you paid full price for those 150 games.
Problem is, even PS5 with disc drive seems to be subsidized. And somehow all the costs for the development of the new hardware must be paid, too. So I would guess, that you must even buy more than 10 games.
btw, there is a 10€/$ price difference between PS5 & xbox games. It just seems like sony also upped the license costs for their games. Else at least multiplatform games could cost the same.
When you look at various breakdowns of where your money goes on physical game sales (and yes I know the price is going up...) you get estimates of about $7-10 going to the platform holder.That figure of $6 more profit on a digital sale HAS to be wrong, I don't believe it.
I'd say the average digital RETAIL price is at least $6 higher than in a store, and that's BEFORE you account for the retailer's cut and the costs of making the physical units and getting them to market.
You're probably looking at double $6 as extra profit with everything factored in.
Sure if you want to pay more for games on a store that rarely discounts newer releases.Gamers won! $399 for this console is amazing value.
YOLOSure if you want to pay more for games on a store that rarely discounts newer releases.
A $10 difference between PS5 and Xbox Series games? Where? Show us where these differences in MSRP for multiplat titles exist.Only if you paid full price for those 150 games.
Problem is, even PS5 with disc drive seems to be subsidized. And somehow all the costs for the development of the new hardware must be paid, too. So I would guess, that you must even buy more than 10 games.
btw, there is a 10€/$ price difference between PS5 & xbox games. It just seems like sony also upped the license costs for their games. Else at least multiplatform games could cost the same.
I think the digital edition is kind of a bad option. Like the Series S is:
-way smaller
-£200 cheaper
like I can see that being super popular with people who just wanna play Fortnite and Fifa and stuff, and its so small you could just set it under your TV in your room really easy. It's also good as like a nice entry level, if you don't have much money but want a next-gen machine. And a Series S + Game Pass, that's a killer deal.
The PS5 Digital though is:
-barely noticably smaller
-£90 cheaper
At that point why buy the digital? You'd make £90 back by buying physical games so quickly, especially because Sony's digital games system doesn't have like a Game Pass alternative, so you're still going to be shelling out fucking loads for games.
Series X vs PS5 Disc is pretty tight competition, but Series S vs PS5 Digital for me is just a total sweep on Microsoft's part.
Speaking to GamingBolt in a recent interview, Pachter said that given the cost of making a PS5, combined with the additional money Sony makes per every digital game sold, they are still taking a loss on each PS5 Digital Edition sold. Pachter says that the average consumer won’t buy the number of games that they’ll need to recoup the losses on a PS5 Digital Edition.
“I think Sony really blew it with that, because as far as we can tell, the cost of making a PlayStation 5 is $450, so they are breaking even on the $500 version, but losing $40 or so on the digital version,” he said. “A disc drive isn’t worth that much. So they’re losing $40, but they gain $6 more per digital game than they would gain otherwise. So you would have to buy a lot of games to cover up the loss, and I just think it’s unlikely many will buy that many games.”
The analyst went on to say that most consumers will still end up purchasing the main PS5 SKU with a disc drive in order to have that option, before adding that Sony will likely make and sell fewer digital consoles.
“I actually don’t think many consumers will want to save the money, I think most would rather have the disc drive on hand so they have the option to take their game to their friend’s house or trade it in or whatever,” Pachter said. “So I think they blew it with the Digital Edition, but it’s hard to tell early numbers, because it’s all sold out anyway, and we don’t know how many of each they made. But I think over the long run, they’ll sell and make fewer digital editions.”
Meaning that a digital version was not needed. Most would buy the disc version anyways and the demand for the ps5 is there. So having a digital version does not make sense. Thats how i see it.They blew it because they are selling it for a loss? I'm not following the logic of his argument
PS5DE is shipping in smaller quantities. Probably to control losses. Probably due to reduced demand.
Average seems to be 10.
It literally sold out 5 minutes later. His entire argument defeats itself.Kinda true though. When I preordered my PS5 only the digital version was available. The disc drive was already sold out.