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Sony accuses Microsoft of 'writing cheques out of insecurity'
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PSGames said:
Depends how even your sampling is
Seriously though, and more on-topic, I think it's clear that the sources MS and Sony use for exclusives are the same, just different proportions. Both have internally developed games, both have games developed by third parties but published by themselves, and both have 'arranged' exclusives developed and published by third parties.
So why are we arguing again?
Koller's made a ham-fisted attempt to spotlight their larger internal capacity, but it's really not worth getting knickers in a twist over (for what's at least the SECOND time).
Cheech said:
well yeah, you can't rely on critical acclaim alone but Sony isn't anywhere near the same ballpark as SEGA in terms of self destruction. Sony didn't get to where they are by luck so i fully expect them to come out guns blazing next-gen. though by that train of thought it makes you wonder how they fucked up so bad in the first place.
TheListener
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Considering Sony's first party games sell like shit compared to MGS's first party games, this quote is laughable.
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Looks like some others are writing cheques out of insecurity.
Looks like some others are writing cheques out of insecurity.
WinFonda said:
So it never occured to you that Sony gave them the job to make an RPG like King's Field? Like Genji or Folklore, you know? Seriously Demon's Souls wouldn't probably even exist right now without Sony as well as Ninja Blade for the 360 without MS.
You're thinking too far in extremes.
They don't own the companies, but they can still request those independent studios to make games for them which are of course exclusive.
Here's a better representation. From Gamerankings.com:McLovin said:
Taking the top 5 highest ranked first party titles from the two current gen consoles:
LittleBigPlanet 94.35
Killzone 2 90.81
Uncharted 89.62
MLB 09 The Show 89.30
Ratchet and Clank Future 88.82
Average: 90.58
Halo 3 93.33
Forza 2 89.74
PGR3 88.66
Fable 2 88.38
Viva Pinata 85.47
Average: 89.91
Now let's take the all-time highest ranking from this generation and last:
LittleBigPlanet 94.35
Gran Turismo 3 94.30
God of War 93.44
God of War 2 92.61
Shadow of the Colossus 91.68
Avg: 93.28
Halo 95.44
Halo 2 94.55
Halo 3 93.33
PGR 2 92.97
Forza 2 89.74
Avg: 93.20
Okay, so fairly close. However, notice that MS' is nothing but racers and shooters, while four different genres are represented in Sony's top 5. Spread that to the Top 10 and the stratification gets far worse.
What about sales? Here is, measured in millions, the estimated sales from ******** for the most recent title in each portfolio's most popular franchises, versus the highest-selling titles between this generation and last.
Gran Turismo 9.7/ 14.9
God of War 2.45 /3.2
Ratchet and Clank 1.46 / 2.9
SOCOM 1.5/ 3.4
Resistance 3.6 / 3.6
18.71 / 28 million
Halo 9.5
Fable 2.7
Forza 4
Viva Pinata 1.5
PGR 1.67/ 2.14
19.87 / 20 million
Close, but again, still just the top 5. Factor in other major franchises in Sony's 1st party lineup (legacy franchises like Jak and Daxter, Crash, Spyro, Wipeout, plus current smaller ones like SOCOM) and it just gets worse. MS doesn't even have 10 different respectable franchises under their belt, which is precisely what I don't like their lineup. Like I said, I would rather they spend that money developing new IPs and sticking with them instead of getting one-ups on third party games. The sad thing is that Bungie and Bizzare don't even count any longer.
AgentOtaku
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Honestly my first gut reaction when I read the OP....
Note: These deals may or may not have happened in real life
Phil: "Houser dude, you've got to give me something!
Sam Houser: "Times change... times change.."
Phil: "Don't tell me you took their bloodmoney too?"
Sam Houser: "Diamonds, blooddiamonds and I bloody like them lol!"
Phil: "We could've given you support!"
Sam Houser: "Is Kutaragi still with you guys?"
Phil: "no... I'll be next on the chopping block"
Sam Houser: "Well if you do speak to him, tell him that Shenmue is awesome and SEGA >>> Sony!"
duk said:
Ssssh that was different.
Hey guys as your all no doubt aware these people run businesses not charity's and every advantage is going to be seized upon, if the chance comes around whether that means DLC or exclusive games yeah you may not be up to purchasing a new console to play a particular game but plenty of other people are.
You get cocky and don't look after your consumers and they go elsewhere it happened to Sega it happened to Nintendo and now it looks like it's happening to Sony.
I feel like having a Jaffe-style rant reading through this thread. It's all bullshit, the lot of it.
Sony did the same thing last two generations. It's them that's insecure this generation, hence the reason why they have to keep calling MS out about it all the time.
Getting third party exclusives is business. It's the same in any industry. Newspapers pay thousands for exclusive deals, it doesn't make them 'insecure'.
Sony did the same thing last two generations. It's them that's insecure this generation, hence the reason why they have to keep calling MS out about it all the time.
Getting third party exclusives is business. It's the same in any industry. Newspapers pay thousands for exclusive deals, it doesn't make them 'insecure'.
JayDub said:
what happened was a cataclysmic turn of events that have shaken forums the world over to the very core: Playstation diehards went from 2 generations of total asskicking to 3rd place. no amount of trico can make you just shrug that off so they have to participate. Xbots went from being an annoying afterthought to vocal cheerleader vikings, exercising their spirit finger through post after post of second place bravado. yes.....second place. Nintendo lovers have been kicked around so much the last two generations that they probably wondered why they could see so clearly from 3rd place, no doubt oblivious to what being on top feels like. upon figuring out that their team was actually winning for once they got a little high-and-mighty, bathroom scales be damned.
when you shake up the grid like that the only thing to expect is CHAOS. welcome to GameWars, 2009.
Night_Trekker
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tfur said:
The HD twins live in a world of massive game development costs in which it would be suicide to confine your third-party release to one console. Before DLC, exclusive games made your system a super-seller. Now since that isn't possible, MS is maneuvering any way they can for an exclusivity advantage, and it just so happens that takes the form of DLC exclusivity.
Pathetic or not, this is the way it is, and Sony would be doing the exact same thing if they hadn't royally fucked up this generation at almost every step. Get used to it or resign yourself to frustration.
DangerStepp
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Sounds like sour grapes.
Could've, would've, should've.
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Karma said:
They dont need to do that cause pbviously whatever they are dping its been working for the last 3 years and Sony dosnt like it. :lol
Marty Chinn
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There's nothing wrong with writing checks to buy content for a console. The problem with it is that it's a short term solution. It is something that certainly works but then you ignore the long term effects of it.
Sony has learned that through experience and look at what they're going through now. Sony clearly made the statement before the PS3 was released that they were heavily investing in first party development because you can't rely on third party exclusivity. Already in this generation Sony has lost several exclusive titles which shows that Sony was right about this. Grand Theft Auto is a perfect example.
Look at Nintendo who has a long history of having quality first party development. They live off that and it's why people keep going back to Nintendo. They can have no third party and people will still go to them because of their quality line up of first party development.
Microsoft's current tactics work but they only will work for so long. It certainly is profitable but it's not looking too far down the line. They should be using the money they're making from all the development their buying and redivert those profits into making their first part development that much stronger.
All you guys doing list comparisons, or talking about profit have completely missed the point.
Sony has learned that through experience and look at what they're going through now. Sony clearly made the statement before the PS3 was released that they were heavily investing in first party development because you can't rely on third party exclusivity. Already in this generation Sony has lost several exclusive titles which shows that Sony was right about this. Grand Theft Auto is a perfect example.
Look at Nintendo who has a long history of having quality first party development. They live off that and it's why people keep going back to Nintendo. They can have no third party and people will still go to them because of their quality line up of first party development.
Microsoft's current tactics work but they only will work for so long. It certainly is profitable but it's not looking too far down the line. They should be using the money they're making from all the development their buying and redivert those profits into making their first part development that much stronger.
All you guys doing list comparisons, or talking about profit have completely missed the point.
Sony has been getting 3rd party exclusive DLC this generation too. Recent examples include Smackdown vs Raw 2009 DLC and Karaoke Revolution DLC that is not available for360. Whether it involved moneyhats or not, I don't know, but the precendent for this gen has been set by Sony too.
Domino Theory
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I'm a huge, huge, huge Microsoft fanboy and am lovin', but..
He's kind of right. Aside from Turn 10 (who'll continue making Forza/Racing games), Rare (who knows what they're doing), Lionhead (Fable and one or two new games) and Bungie (their biggest ticket, here), what else do they have? Do those studios have the manpower/resources to constantly make AAA games all the time? No they don't.
Unless each of these studios can bring out an AAA game each year, there needs to be more done from Microsoft.
I want Microsoft to have more first party studios who are going to make blockbuster, fun Arcade games, DLC, and blockbuster IPs that are equal to Gears of War/Halo.
Oh and I want Crackdown 2.
He's kind of right. Aside from Turn 10 (who'll continue making Forza/Racing games), Rare (who knows what they're doing), Lionhead (Fable and one or two new games) and Bungie (their biggest ticket, here), what else do they have? Do those studios have the manpower/resources to constantly make AAA games all the time? No they don't.
Unless each of these studios can bring out an AAA game each year, there needs to be more done from Microsoft.
I want Microsoft to have more first party studios who are going to make blockbuster, fun Arcade games, DLC, and blockbuster IPs that are equal to Gears of War/Halo.
Oh and I want Crackdown 2.
Marty Chinn said:
I'm pretty sure MS is doing exactly what they wanted to do - hurting Sony. Profit? Sure, yeah, it's nice if they can get it. But they got into this industry to hurt Sony, first and foremost. The question is, which fizzles out first? Sony or Microsoft's ability to buy exclusives and provide some major 1st party releases on occasion?
MS is betting on the former, I suspect.
manueldelalas
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OMG you even quoted the chartz site!Zophar said:
So bitter...
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Zophar said:
You're a hero!
Well, you're Forsete's hero.
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WinFonda said:
This hits the nail on the head pretty hard. A lot of games people like to hold high from the PS3 aren't from Sony owned studios like Resistance, Ratchet, LBP, Motorstorm 1, and so on. Sony paid for these and they are NOT internal 1st party developered. Nintendo could have paid the same studios and so could MS. When talking about internal studios, you should not include outside independent studios into the list since they are not internal like Naughty Dog, Zipper, Guerrilla games, or 989 studios (long live Blasto!!!).
The only difference I see is that Sony writes checks to developers and Microsofts writes checks to the publisher that owns the developer. And why has there only been one mention of the Mirror's Edge exclusive DLC for the PS3 in this thread?
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Domino Theory said:
Sounds to me MSFT has more than enough. You are talking like each and every Sony first party dont take a massive shit every once in awhile. If anything they are proving you dont need alot of first party studios with high operating costs to hold a good game lineup.
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