Support NeoGAF

[Crazymoogle]

CLED is too early to say if it has any distinct advantages or disadvantages to OLED. They came with a prototype set but I gather their image processor needs some work. The upside compared to OLED (theoretically) would be lifespan - a full micro-LED array should probably last a great deal longer than OLED, in theory, with a much longer timeframe before any noticeable drop in output intensity.

Whether that is really the case though, who knows. OLED has a lot of problems at large screen sizes but there has been a ton of R&D in trying to minimize that (see the history of LCDs...)

 

[Replicant]

Yeah probably ... though you may want to consider not diving into a high-end unit. No one knows how well OLED and CLED (if released) will perform overall ... and how fast prices will move.

Let me put it this way, if purchasing a high-end display now means you won't be on the market for another 5+ years, you may want to set your sights a little lower. IMO.

Hmm, I was actually gunning for a 3D 55 inch LED LCD TV but from what you're saying it seems OLED may reach mass market price in 2 or so years? Maybe I should just get plasma since it's cheaper now. :/

 

[Lolligag]

Nothing amazing with the viewing angle, why would anyone care?

My current sony tv doesn't lose it's picture's quality from the side.

 

[Raistlin]

One thing I wonder though, just how well will this scale to higher resolutions? Sony seems pretty high on the 4K (and higher) bandwagon, so it would be surprising if they went after a tech that doesn't have the potential to do it.

Well unless this is red herring.

CLED is too early to say if it has any distinct advantages or disadvantages to OLED. They came with a prototype set but I gather their image processor needs some work. The upside compared to OLED (theoretically) would be lifespan - a full micro-LED array should probably last a great deal longer than OLED, in theory, with a much longer timeframe before any noticeable drop in output intensity.

As well as less potential issues with color shifting due to irregular sub-pixel aging of the primaries.

Hmm, I was actually gunning for a 3D 55 inch LED LCD TV but from what you're saying it seems OLED may reach mass market price in 2 or so years? Maybe I should just get plasma since it's cheaper now. :/

I'm not sure if I'd be willing to go that far. Then again if you're already looking at top-of-the-line LED LCD's ... maybe that is possible.

I honestly don't know, and regardless of actual costs ... the market can always dictate premium pricing. It's hard to tell. I certainly don't want to stop you from buying a set you can enjoy right now ... I'd just try to do some research. Though honestly I doubt analysts have a much better guess on price scaling than you are I

 

[zerodayPopbot]

Here it is in motion:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZfbwPof33I&feature=player_embedded

Sorry if already posted.

 

[thefit]

LED lights burn out too you know in fact they burn out quite easily.

 

[Satyamdas]

Here it is in motion:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZfbwPof33I&feature=player_embedded

Sorry if already posted.

Looked interesting until the video shit the bed. And that's an official Sony YouTube account? Well done, guys.

 

[thefit]

I thought it was my computer lol

 

[Patriots7]

Betamax, mini-disc, SACD, when will Sony learn?

How is this even remotely similar? Sony was a pioneer in OLED research and development. Now they are experimenting in a new technology because OLED production still is not economically feasible for consumer retail.

 

[Takuya]

Betamax, mini-disc, SACD, when will Sony learn?

HD-DVD... Oh wait. Sony has failed in a lot of ventures and products, but they've done quite well in others, help pioneer some of the technologies as well; OLED is one of them.

 

[kitch9]

Price it cheaper than OLED then maybe this has a chance.

Or, make a TV thats better than OLED, go after the lucrative high end market and stay out the dog fight on the bottom rung.....

Just like they used to.

Nothing amazing with the viewing angle, why would anyone care?

My current sony tv doesn't lose it's picture's quality from the side.

Do you have a tv nobody else can buy?

 

[lupinko]

sony says they stopped OLED, makes CLED instead. I think we just got trolled by Sony.

They're stll making OLEDs, just not for the standard consumer market.

 

[Ashes]

Here it is in motion:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZfbwPof33I&feature=player_embedded

Sorry if already posted.

vid doesn't work past 2 minutes.

 

[btkadams]

vid doesn't work past 2 minutes.

it most definitely does for me.

 

[Pristine_Condition]

I would need to see this demo'd inbetween a regular LCD and an OLED TV - but I am not toooo impressed by it. I think it looked great from what I saw on my crappy monitor, but showing it at the same time as two separate 55' OLED TV being announced isn't working in your favour.

Give a price point and emphasise it has a lot of the benefits of OLED with none of the price worries, and you'll have me (and probably other people) more intrigued.

You are making judgements based on recorded footage over an internet stream?

LOL.

I don't think so. The demo isn't much to go on, as it is still pictures - but I really wasn't impressed after seeing the OLED demo - for reference (turn on HD)

Unless you were physically at CES, you didn't see the demo. Please stop. It's embarrassing.

Yeah I guess the question is 3.5x what exactly? Actual native LCD panel ANSI contrast ratios ... or the numbers for local dimming back-lit LCD? Something in-between?

I PMed a buddy who will see this at CES. Hope I'll get an answer for you.

 

[Ashes]

it most definitely does for me.

my computer's fucked then. never mind...

 

[Radec]

So it's OLED VS CLED now GAF?

A prototype tech versus a tech that is already being mass-produced.

 

[Suikoguy]

Will be interesting to see write-ups comparing both new prototypes.

 

[Mohonky]

my computer's fucked then. never mind...

Mine doesn't either. Might be a browser thing.

Anyway I think CLED will be interesting, I'm still not sure of the lifespan of OLED, but I must say it's an impressive idea.

 

[Dead Man]

sony says they stopped OLED, makes CLED instead. I think we just got trolled by Sony.

Indeed.

 

[sfedai0]

I don't see Sony following up on this proprietary tech. With the way it was presented, it felt like they needed to present something to remain relevant. It would be awesome if they became an industry leader once again, but 2012 will be a bad year for their tv division.

 

[Pristine_Condition]

So assuming OLED or this technology is being used for mass market TV, how long will it take before it hits mainstream price?

Am I right to assume that it's not worth waiting for and I should just either buy LCD-LED or Plasma for the time being if I want HDTV now?

That's the big mystery with all this stuff.

From what I've heard from a friend who is in Vegas right now, any high end buyer who would be in the market for this stuff would not be disappointed with the top of the line new Panny plasmas he's seen, and you'll be able to buy one of those soon, for a reasonable price, and know exactly what you are getting yourself into.

 

[Takao]

I've been had.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

Damn that's some impressive shit in the OP.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Nobody really knows what Crystal LED is. I doubt Sony was really ready to show this technology off this year, it's obvious that they were quietly incubating it for some time now but the Koreans rushing their OLED TVs to market has forced them to show their hands.

At least we know now why Sony sold their stake in S-LCD and announced they won't be making consumer OLED TVs. They have been staking everything on CLED for all this time, quietly working on it behind closed doors. The real question now is when Sony will be ready to bring CLED to mass production, because OLED is coming in 2H 2012 from LG and Samsung.

 

[makingmusic476]

This looks pretty awesome.

I can't imagine it costing as little as OLED in the long run, though it's possible it could be a bit cheaper in the near term.

Though given how far along OLED is and the number of companies working on the tech, that'd be hard to fathom.

 

[Flying_Phoenix]

Do they finally have something in which can replicate 480i as good as a CRT?

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Who the hell still cares about 480i in this day and age?

 

[Blimblim]

Do they finally have something in which can replicate 480i as good as a CRT?

It's simply not possible with any flat panel device. Fixed resolution + progressive can't possibly do 480i as a CRT would.

 

[Marty Chinn]

My current sony tv doesn't lose it's picture's quality from the side.

Yes it does.

 

[Jill Sandwich]

Who the hell still cares about 480i in this day and age?

North Koreans and Wii owners.

 

[neorej]

Who the hell still cares about 480i in this day and age?

North Korea?

 

[Pristine_Condition]

Who the hell still cares about 480i in this day and age?

It's Flying_Phoenix. All his old Soviet porn is in 480i.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

North Koreans and Wii owners.

The Wii outputs 480p over component video.

 

[Jill Sandwich]

The Wii outputs 480p over component video.

Just North Koreans then.

 

[amar212]

Betamax, mini-disc, SACD, when will Sony learn?

can anyone please enlighten me about this superficial misconception regarding alleged "fail of the Betamax"?

Since when has that crazy nonsense become a fact?

Although BetaMAX has failed in home-consumer markets, it made a revolution in professional-maket, making it the one-and-only standard for TV broadcast in almost 3 decades now with very bright prospect to the future.

Sony has sold millions of pro-BETA-players and recorders, dozens of millions of cameras and other equipment, zillions of BETA tapes and other Pro accesories. At the and of life-cycle, analogue BETA has been sucessfully replaced with DigitalBETA, advanced standard that ruled the pro-market for past 10 years.

After the Sony's DV revolution (in both "amateur" camcorder market and even more in professional market), DV and DVPro (with bigger casette case, wider tape and Pro specs) has became the next standard, and now the HDV (High Definition) cameras are used by TV houses worldwide.

All the licences and techonlogy for BETA, DigitalBETA, DV, DVPro and HDV are Sony's. All the BETA hardware products are made by Sony. Only thing that is licenced are tapes - and guess what - every manufactorer pays Sony a fee for every BETA, DigitalBETA, DV, DVPro and HDV tape manufactored.

They've maybe lost their battle in home-markets, but they've made even more money from Pro market, just because one simple reason - the prices never come down in Pro market. New "old techology" analogue BETA magnetoscope today has almost the same price as 20 years ago. And we're talking thousands and tens-of-thousands of dollars per unit here, not 49$ for fair VHS recorder, as it costs today.

Every TV station in the world uses BETA or DV. More then 80% of TV production in the world has been shot on BETA in past 3 decades. Through past 10 years, DV and HDV have also took that market.

Sony has never lost with the Betamax. They have won that battle in financial terms with margin that other can only dream about.

 

[mAcOdIn]

Yes it does.

Hmm, I just checked my Sony TV and it too does not lose it's picture from the side!

Seems kinda silly to say "yes it does" when you don't know what TV a (wo)man's rocking. I'm using a Sony KD-34XBR970, which is a HD CRT, and it looks fantastic from the side. Of course it being a CRT it has issues of its own like not being able to actually display 1080 lines of resolution, or 720 for that matter, it's interlaced so no 1080p and it has geometry issues like every other CRT, but it looks great from the side!

 

[ShinobiFist]

Did they ever improve the lifespan of OLED's? I remember being pretty weak. And what Cnet said, CLED is cheaper to manufacture than OLED. Keep pushing the tech forward LG, Samsung, Sony and Panasonic....

 

[C.Dark.DN]

CLED vs LCD side by side video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BLTPrLLxs4

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Betamax, mini-disc, SACD, when will Sony learn?

Never, which is why Blu-ray disc was such a failure.

Spoiler

LOL

 

[Norml]

CLED vs LCD side by side video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BLTPrLLxs4

looks pretty good.

 

[C.Dark.DN]

looks pretty good.

the pink tint on the road is weird tho

 

[Seraphinianus]

can anyone please enlighten me about this superficial misconception regarding alleged "fail of the Betamax"?

Since when has that crazy nonsense become a fact?

Although BetaMAX has failed in home-consumer markets, it made a revolution in professional-maket, making it the one-and-only standard for TV broadcast in almost 3 decades now with very bright prospect to the future.

Sony has sold millions of pro-BETA-players and recorders, dozens of millions of cameras and other equipment, zillions of BETA tapes and other Pro accesories. At the and of life-cycle, analogue BETA has been sucessfully replaced with DigitalBETA, advanced standard that ruled the pro-market for past 10 years.

After the Sony's DV revolution (in both "amateur" camcorder market and even more in professional market), DV and DVPro (with bigger casette case, wider tape and Pro specs) has became the next standard, and now the HDV (High Definition) cameras are used by TV houses worldwide.

All the licences and techonlogy for BETA, DigitalBETA, DV, DVPro and HDV are Sony's. All the BETA hardware products are made by Sony. Only thing that is licenced are tapes - and guess what - every manufactorer pays Sony a fee for every BETA, DigitalBETA, DV, DVPro and HDV tape manufactored.

They've maybe lost their battle in home-markets, but they've made even more money from Pro market, just because one simple reason - the prices never come down in Pro market. New "old techology" analogue BETA magnetoscope today has almost the same price as 20 years ago. And we're talking thousands and tens-of-thousands of dollars per unit here, not 49$ for fair VHS recorder, as it costs today.

Every TV station in the world uses BETA or DV. More then 80% of TV production in the world has been shot on BETA in past 3 decades. Through past 10 years, DV and HDV have also took that market.

Sony has never lost with the Betamax. They have won that battle in financial terms with margin that other can only dream about.

wow....you got trolled pretty bad.

 

[HollovVpo1nt]

This could have a chance if its more durable than OLED. Oleds' picture quality wears out much faster than LED's.

 

[amar212]

wow....you got trolled pretty bad.

Care to explain?

 

[Norml]

It shows some really nice colors in this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETK4EeGqjI8

 

[mrklaw]

this might be a time Vs cost thing. I can't imagine its cheap to produce (6m LEDs!?) but might be cheaper than a 55inch OLED screen costs initially. Then as/when/if OLED costs drop significantly when fabled efficient processes come online, Sony can just license that and switch to OLED..

I'm curious why this wouldn't have similar performance to OLED. Both are basically self-emissive LED systems, why would the contrast on this be 'only' 3.5x better than LCD and OLED be better than that?

 

[mrklaw]

Betamax, mini-disc, SACD, when will Sony learn?

so lets stop innovating and just fall in line behind ok quality stuff?

betamax was technically superior but lost out for other reasons. Minidisc was awesome and better than tape, just became defunct with the ipod, SACD was great, just no market for it.

the day we encourage companies to stop striving for quality is a sad day IMO.

 

[XMonkey]

This could have a chance if its more durable than OLED. Oleds' picture quality wears out much faster than LED's.

This is based on... what? We don't have a lot of information on LG (or Samsung's) newest OLED set, same goes for the CLED set.

 

[Eusis]

Betamax, mini-disc, SACD, when will Sony learn?

Except those are all different FORMATS, not a display technology that needs everything produced specifically for it. Not that it'll inherently succeed based on that alone obviously, but it's not as if you need to rebuy anything for this TV you wouldn't already with any other TV upgrade.