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Sony E3 2006 Conference Thread (start at reply ~#1300)

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truffleshuffle83

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im more mad at the arrogance of sony...if your gonna charge 600 fine, show me something to justify it and dont get all cocky and say that we are lucky its not more expensive. this industry is fickel, and being the leader isnt guranteed..ask nintendo and sega
 
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Pimpwerx

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Vormund said:
I have my doubts it's be real quiet. (I don't have a slim PS2 mind you, so I don't know the comparison)

I've had a slot loading drive in my PC and it was a loud bitch. That said, It'll most likely be quieter than the 360. :) It's not hard.
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The loading mechanism has nothing to do with the amount of noise a drive makes. I think that's pretty porous anecdotal evidence there. PEACE.
 
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Vormund

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Pimpwerx said:
The loading mechanism has nothing to do with the amount of noise a drive makes. I think that's pretty porous anecdotal evidence there. PEACE.
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I think it's more the fact that there is only a thin bit of felt between you and the inside of the drive, rather than a piece of plastic.
 
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The Take Out Bandit

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More fun!

How much is too much for a game console?
PS3 price of $599 has analysts wondering if consumers will pay

By Matt Slagle

Updated: 7:04 p.m. ET May 10, 2006
LOS ANGELES - The buzz at the annual Electronic Entertainment Expo usually surrounds the latest new video games.

This year, the hot topic isn’t a sneak peek at “Halo 3” or “Metal Gear Solid 4” but a price tag — namely, the $499 and $599 Sony Corp. said it will ask for its eagerly awaited, next-generation PlayStation 3 gaming consoles when they hit retail shelves around the world on Nov. 17.

Analysts and industry experts attending this week’s E3 show said they aren’t surprised by the price. The PS3 does, after all, include a Blu-ray optical drive for playing high-definition movies. The current crop of stand-alone Blu-ray players retail for around $1,000.

But at $599, is Sony is pushing — or perhaps even crossing — the line on what consumers will be willing to pay for games?

“A lot of people are like, ‘OK, this is a lot of money and I need more justification for dropping this money,”’ said John Davison, editorial director of the video game Web site 1UP.com.

The console price doesn’t even consider the additional cost of the actual games. Microsoft Corp.’s Xbox 360 raised the average price per game from $50 to $60. Sony hasn’t said how much PS3 games will cost.

Only 11 percent of gamers in a national AP-AOL Games poll last month reported spending more than $500 last year on gaming, including consoles, game software, online charges and accessories. The telephone survey of 1,046 adults who said they play games on a computer or gaming console was conducted by Ipsos and had a sampling error margin of plus or minus 3 percentage points.

Outside the conference, reaction to Sony’s asking price was mixed.

“If it was $400, that would be better,” said Nathan Guajardo, 21, as he wrapped up a lunchtime game of Madden NFL at an arcade in Milpitas, Calif.

Guajardo, a longtime owner of the PS2 whose video-gaming hours have now dropped to perhaps a few sessions a month, says the $500 price tag will keep him on the fence for a purchase for himself.

Avid gamer Russell York of San Jose wasn’t surprised about the price tag. The 25-year-old who owns a PlayStation 2 and a PlayStation Portable said he almost bought Microsoft’s Xbox 360 but decided to stay loyal to his brand and wait for PS3.

“If it does what it’s supposed to do, then that’s fine,” York said. “But it better be better than the 360.”

Sony executives have insisted the PS3’s pricing is appropriate, given all its high-tech innards.

“I think that price and value have always been two different things,” said Phil Harrison, president of Sony Computer Entertainment’s Worldwide Studios.

Though game companies won’t say how much, they generally lose money on the actual console with the idea of making it up in sales of games and accessories. They’re hoping people will view the boxes as the hub of entertainment in the living room.

Indeed, the latest consoles are designed to plug into the Internet, work with high-definition TVs and handle a variety of digital content beyond games.

Despite all the capabilities, Sony’s pricing was still higher than expected, analyst P.J. McNealy of American Technology Research said in a research note. It could end up hurting game publishers, who have already been suffering through a sales drought while consumers wait for the new systems.

“We are concerned about consumer spending levels on software given the high price of the hardware,” McNealy wrote.

Microsoft’s Xbox 360 starts at $299 for a basic model, with a higher-end model available for $399 — still $100 less than the cheapest PS3. And though Nintendo Co. hasn’t released the cost of its upcoming Wii system, the company’s consoles historically have been less expensive than their rivals.

Sony’s PlayStation 2 debuted in 2000 at $299 but can be bought today for $130 after a rebate.

“All of a sudden the $299 Xbox (360) looks like a bargain,” Davison said.

The $499 PlayStation 3 will have a 20-gigabyte hard drive but lacks a memory card slot, built-in wireless and HDMI, the favored connection for high-definition televisions. Those features come in the $599 model, which includes a 60-gigabyte drive.

High-price consoles have failed before.

In the early 1990s, Electronic Arts Inc. founder Trip Hawkins created the 3DO Interactive Multiplayer console. Though packed with state-of-the-art technology for the time like a CD-ROM drive, the unit’s $700 price was more than consumers were willing to swallow and it soon failed.

But some experts believe that’s unlikely to happen this time. With 2 million units available worldwide at launch and another 2 million units by year’s end, PS3 demand still will likely far outstrip supply.

Tom Russo, editorial director of games for the G4 cable TV network, said the higher costs won’t deter the hardcore faithful who will gobble up the PS3 — whatever the price.

“There’s going to be a demand, even at $600,” he said. “They’re going to sell out. You’re going to have to end up paying a grand on eBay.”
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eeyore the donkey

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With the $499 version of PS3 missing an HDMI port and wifi, I'm wondering how much these parts cost?

The cost of an HDMI port = ?
Cost of wifi = ?

Can they really be saving that much money by not having an HDMI port? It doesn't make any sense
 
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Drek

Member
I wonder if Sony sees $50 game prices as a good counter to a higher system price. It could work out well for them if they go that route.
 
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AniHawk

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Drek said:
I wonder if Sony sees $50 game prices as a good counter to a higher system price. It could work out well for them if they go that route.
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They might, but that doesnt mean third parties will.
 
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teiresias

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Apparently, the HDMI port requires its own IC chip on the mainboard (I'm assuming this would be separate from whatever scaler they're using - which may be in RSX actually). I'd imagine this separate IC mainly handles the HDCP tasks and might do the formatting for the HDMI standard transmission protocol, I read on another forum (hence grain of salt time) that this IC could set them back about $15/console.
 
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Shapingo

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Completion % of PS3 games from Sony themselves

was this posted?

http://www.us.playstation.com/News/Stories/4331

# Mobile Suit Gundam -- 20%
# Resistance: Fall of Man -- 70%
# Warhawk -- 30%
# Gran Turismo HD -- 20%
# Heavenly Sword -- 50%
# Genji 2 -- 60%
# F1 '06 -- 60%
# Virtua Tennis 3 -- 20%
# Sonic the Hedgehog -- 40%
# Madden 07 -- 30%
# Heavy Rain -- 20%

Warhark is a launch game right?
 
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HomerSimpson-Man

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Wow, Resistence is 70% complete already? The engine they have is already up at 60fps at 720p and they are contemplating going to 1080p and they have 6 more months to work on it.
 
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Wollan

Member
Warhawk is a launch game so yeah that %(I hate those things) is off.

Warhawk, Resistance & MotorStorm at launch. Awesome.
 
KyanMehwulfe

KyanMehwulfe

Member
Motorstorm at launch would be awesome.

It'll be to the PS3 as ATV Offroad Fury was to the PS2 for me. Hopefully atleast.

That being that it basically heralded in the power of the system with it's massive and open game environments*, though I'm a bit worried that Motorstorm may not have any open areas after E3 but rather just closed tracks.

*I realize that environments (plural) isn't a word but it fits so nicely in gaming terminology.
 
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Konnjuta

Member
Motorstorm at launch would be uber awesome. From the vids and the animated gif I saw in its thread this look like its gonna be another AAA+++ title. :D
 
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travisbickle

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eeyore the donkey said:
With the $499 version of PS3 missing an HDMI port and wifi, I'm wondering how much these parts cost?

The cost of an HDMI port = ?
Cost of wifi = ?

Can they really be saving that much money by not having an HDMI port? It doesn't make any sense
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Someone made a comment today about the HDMI cable, doesn't that cost a lot bought seperately?
 
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HomerSimpson-Man

Member
So tell me audio/visual tech geeks, why the f*ck does this cord cost so much?!

EDIT: That's Monster Cable, they are notoriously known for overpriced cables already.
 
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Joe

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has there been any rumblings of ps3 games costing more than $60? or has sony said flat out games will be $60?

blank 25gb blu-ray discs are hitting stores at $20, thats pretty crazy.
 
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Edwood

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Vormund said:
I have my doubts it's be real quiet. (I don't have a slim PS2 mind you, so I don't know the comparison)

I've had a slot loading drive in my PC and it was a loud bitch. That said, It'll most likely be quieter than the 360. :) It's not hard.
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You guys are worrying about the drive, but I'm sure the slower spinning BluRay drive will be quieter, but the fans in the PS3 will no doubt be whiney banshee fuckers.

If the PSU is indeed internal, all that added heat inside and the suboptimal shape of the PS3 (cooling wise) will either mean a very loud system, or a melting one.

-Ed
 
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Saoh

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yjs666 said:
Sony conference in 1 minute:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=pJElsNaC6yQ

RIIIIIIIIIIDGE RACERRR :lol :lol :lol
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:lol :lol

Shapingo said:
Completion % of PS3 games from Sony themselves

was this posted?

http://www.us.playstation.com/News/Stories/4331

# Mobile Suit Gundam -- 20%
# Resistance: Fall of Man -- 70%
# Warhawk -- 30%
# Gran Turismo HD -- 20%
# Heavenly Sword -- 50%
# Genji 2 -- 60%
# F1 '06 -- 60%
# Virtua Tennis 3 -- 20%
# Sonic the Hedgehog -- 40%
# Madden 07 -- 30%
# Heavy Rain -- 20%
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we still believe in Sony? :lol
 
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Ponn

Banned
Warm Machine said:
Sony needs games that are not worth $60. They need games that are worth $660. Nothing on that list or even at the show was worth that much.
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You forgot the "not worth it to me" part.
 
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Ninja Scooter

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Warm Machine said:
Sony needs games that are not worth $60. They need games that are worth $660. Nothing on that list or even at the show was worth that much.
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i get the feeling 2 million people (give or take) are going to disagree with you sometime in early November.
 
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Saoh

Member
Doom_Bringer said:
what's wrong with completition percentages?
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nothing.

i just think its funny that people STILL believe in Sony.

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:) peace.
 
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Pedigree Chum

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acousticvan said:
Guys, compare the quality of the PS3 games at e3 2006 to Xbox360 games at e3 2005 then you'll have a big picture.
Should we compare an orange to an orange?
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Um, why shouldn't we compare games that are coming out around the same time for both consoles? PS3 doesn't get a free pass just cause its a year late.
 
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Striek

Member
Pedigree Chum said:
Um, why shouldn't we compare games that are coming out around the same time for both consoles? PS3 doesn't get a free pass just cause its a year late.
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That depends. For first-party titles thats a fair comparison (and PS3 - if not outright winning - , certainly is not overshadowed in any way), for third-party wouldn't they have started development later for their engines? Like Madden 07 being an extension of the 06 engine, as well as experience.
 
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travisbickle

Member
Pedigree Chum said:
Um, why shouldn't we compare games that are coming out around the same time for both consoles? PS3 doesn't get a free pass just cause its a year late.
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Yeah, and the 360 doesn't get a break because it is a cheap alternative, Too Human animates like crap, Heavenly Sword animates like a lucid dream.
 
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