Sony won't be the publisher of the game. They merely serve as a promoter to its kickstarter campaign.
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Sony is Building a Hostage Crisis!!!!! (List of Games to Kickstarter)
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Sony won't be the publisher of the game. They merely serve as a promoter to its kickstarter campaign.
BranVan3000
Banned
Fine with this if its third party games that may not have been made otherwise. No reason for this to be the case with first party projects though even if as much of a cult hit as a Parrappa or Legend of Dragoon
Primethius
Banned
The benefit is that... the game is being made.
The budgets for these games are ridiculously large (40+ million). Sony starts putting games they would have funded regardless to cover the cost of 2 or 3 million of the budget? Yea, I'll consider that as an issue when it remotely becomes a reality.
TheSlySoul
Member
Silent Hills revival!
Zekra Dezivad
Member
Let's see!
The benefit of a big publisher that helps a kickstater is that they don't want the failure of the project after the funding.
The benefit of a big publisher that helps a kickstater is that they don't want the failure of the project after the funding.
Don't remember who said it (think it was Jim Sterling?), but he had talked to someone at Kickstarter - and they said that when big projects hits Kickstarter - for whatever reason - it also raises interest in other projects. If that is true the big projects will not canibalise the smaller indie ones - but rather bring attention to them.
Anyway, if this is what it takes for us to get Beyond Good and Evil I am all for it no matter what.
Anyway, if this is what it takes for us to get Beyond Good and Evil I am all for it no matter what.
Theonik
Member
But what happens when those publishers never reveal themselves, who is accountable then?
SicSemperTyrannis
Member
First game I thought of.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
What would even lead you to that conclusion, Their investing money into it and it's PS4 exclusive on consoles. Of course they're publishing it,
Dirtyshubb
Member
Gaf overall is such a great place to hang out and discuss things, but its times like this that really puts us in a really bad light and it becomes really hard to defend us from criticism since shit posting, concern trolling, ignorant complaints and just general shitty behaviour always tends to become visibly prominent and make everyone look bad when its clear that its just a vocal minority.
Its one of the reasons i tend to stay out of No Mans Sky threads now since the amount of shit you have to read just makes my blood boil.
Better to think ahead. I just think if you take a risk you should also receive potential profit that's all. Like I said just a game getting made is enough for people funding these projects but I'm not sure it's fair. After all you're not paying for the game to be made you're paying for the chance of the game being made. It's very unlikely that something like Shenmue 3 would be cancelled after receiving crowd-funding but legally you're in a tough spot if it ever comes down to that with any project.
Not that there's any real problem here. Nobody is forcing people to fund anything. If people are paying for these things then great. I assume they're doing so willingly not because they feel they have no other choice.
Profit mainly.
Only one of those options gets you the game for sure. Only one of those options lets you confirm in 2-3 years what you're getting.
Melchiah
Member
I'm not interested in Shenmue myself, but I would be irritated as well if a long lost game I loved was heading to another platform than I owned. It wouldn't make me question the idea of kickstarting games with corporate help though, if the only alternative was to remain in the limbo they were all those years.
What "real" benefits?
Wether you pledge before development or buy after development you're getting Shenmue 3 regardless.
Haunted
Member
A rising tide lifts all boats. The numbers and stats have shown that more exposure on Kickstarter through high profile projects has only helped chances of small indie creators on the service.
Whether you think Kickstarter is "supposed" to be used for certain kinds of projects and not for others, as long as it's within the rules, Kickstarter is quite content to let the market and the audience decide these things for themselves.
Whether you think Kickstarter is "supposed" to be used for certain kinds of projects and not for others, as long as it's within the rules, Kickstarter is quite content to let the market and the audience decide these things for themselves.
- Suikoden 6 (w/Yoshitaka Murayama directing, Junko Kawano and Fumi Ishikawa on design, Miki Higashino & Keiko Fukami on music)
- Shadow Hearts 4 (development by feelplus/Marvelous, directed by Matsuzo Machida)
- Alundra 3 (development by Matrix Software)
- Proper JRPG BoF6 (directed by Makoto Ikehara, art by Tatsuya Yoshikawa)
All of these franchises are dead without some kind of divine intervention, none of them are first party (although Sony might own the rights to Alundra), and they shouldn't be hugely expensive projects. Also they'll never receive the proper care they deserve even if their publishers greenlight those titles.
- Shadow Hearts 4 (development by feelplus/Marvelous, directed by Matsuzo Machida)
- Alundra 3 (development by Matrix Software)
- Proper JRPG BoF6 (directed by Makoto Ikehara, art by Tatsuya Yoshikawa)
All of these franchises are dead without some kind of divine intervention, none of them are first party (although Sony might own the rights to Alundra), and they shouldn't be hugely expensive projects. Also they'll never receive the proper care they deserve even if their publishers greenlight those titles.
This, all of this, only this, this alone, maybe more of this.
Hours Left
Member
I like you.
false dichotomy. The actual answer is
- 3) create risk adverse products customers like
Big game production is similar to big film productions: it is collaborative, risk averse, and success comes down to knowing what makes the audience happy. Companies like EA and R* have a good idea of what sells and what keeps AAA retail console game fans happy. And the fact that they have record profits shows this. The same goes for companies like Disney. The games and movies these companies make go through a fuck ton of q&a and feedback.
And it works. Why? Because the mass market doesn't want risky movies or games. They want to buy their ticket or game and get an expected experience. Furious 7 grossed 1.5 billion USD ww, gta V was over 2 billion @ last count. And as far as I know, the people who experienced those things were satisfied despite extreme risk adverse nature of the products. That is why there will be a Furious 8 and a GTAVI.
And on a side note, GTAIV had a couple of risky elements: a dark story with human pathos and driving that required skill. Both were eviscerated by fans. It is the big games that take big risks that fail.
Yeah that's right. Ouya did something similar but they were the ones being scammed, funny enough
OboroShogun
Banned
Again people are missing the truth of what many kickstarter projects are and that is very often a means to gain the momentum to bring these projects to the larger investors needed to see it through.
Shenmue wasn't the first to use this approach, as previously stated, it's just such a long sought after title that it triggered up the salt storm.
Shenmue wasn't the first to use this approach, as previously stated, it's just such a long sought after title that it triggered up the salt storm.
Melchiah
Member
Or WipEout and Siren.
OboroShogun
Banned
The good thing about Sony willing to collaborate on risky titles with their developers is that we are much less likely to end up with a scenario like Broken Age.
It's easy to bash Kickstarter until it helps fund something you really want. Shenmue is my first and if there are other games that seem worthwhile then I would consider it. I'm not just going to throw several hundred dollars down again because I liked an old game though - it has to offer me something special that is still relevant like Shenmue. I'm sure there will be some funding failures along the way and that's the way it should be.
Technically it still would do. Shenmue is only getting partial funding of an undisclosed amount and marketing from Sony. The game itself is entirely 3rd party by Ysnet. I imagine anything else Sony get involved with would be similar
BjornTheBear
Banned
PLEASE PLASE SILENT HILLS WITH KOJIMA AND DEL TORO
I'LL GIVE ALL MY MONEY
I'LL SELL MY HOUSE!
I'LL GIVE ALL MY MONEY
I'LL SELL MY HOUSE!
Cornbread78
Member
Listen to this one right here.
MatrixMan.EXE
Member
Sony own the Alundra IP. They need a kick in the ass, not a kickstarter!
Unbound By Death
Member
Bushido Blade
Traumnovelle
Member
I'm fine with Sony helping kickstart third party properties they don't own.
If they start kickstarting they're own IP however, it will not be a good look.
If they start kickstarting they're own IP however, it will not be a good look.
UnwrittenZero
Member
To be fair if you want to make aaa games kickstarter will never give you all the money you need to make it. I haven't seen a kickstarter hit 80 million yet. Devs know this it is unpractical for some devs to make the game they want all on kickstarter. It sucks I know but it's how the world goes round.
samuraidino
Member
I think I'd rather support a kickstarter that brings Konami behind the woodshed and puts it out of its misery...
SolarMystic
Member
It is also concerning that any negative opinion on this subject is rejected as simple "concern trolling" or "brand loyalty".
It does set a potentially dangerous precedent. It may end up being a great thing, but it could go the other way. Don't discount others opinions just because they are different from yours.
Hopefully this goes well, as there are many old IPs that I would love to be rebooted in this manner if done right.
JohnSpartanLee
Member
With Shenmue III and Final Fantasy VII my (and many others') biggest dreams are already coming true.
Now all that's left for me would be (Remakes or HD Remasters with new models):
Resident Evil 2
Resident Evil 3
Resident Evil CODE: Veronica
Resident Evil Outbreak File #1 & #2
Bushido Blade
All very important to me, just not quite on Shenmue III- or FF7-level.
Now all that's left for me would be (Remakes or HD Remasters with new models):
Resident Evil 2
Resident Evil 3
Resident Evil CODE: Veronica
Resident Evil Outbreak File #1 & #2
Bushido Blade
All very important to me, just not quite on Shenmue III- or FF7-level.
Yeah I also want X-Wing or TIE-Fighter VR but (unfortunately) that's EA's business now.
Hot Coldman
Banned
Wellllll at least next time we'll have no doubts about whether Sony has a hand in the game or not.
I'm just going to say this: Mega Man Legends 3.
I'm just going to say this: Mega Man Legends 3.
Outrun
Member
I just hope that it all turns out for the best.
Hahaha, yeah after they killed the studio and the series it'd be really funny for sony to turn it into a crowdfunded project with new developers. really funny stuff.
Newtype-001
Member
Id be down if sony wants to Kickstart Studio Liverpool
With the inherent High Risk of games these days I am willing to Kickstart just about damn near anything I love if it'll prove to publishers and developers that there is enough interest in that IP to warrant a new game being made. There are so many things that might not ever exist again that have just been completely written off and if this is the way to get them back then I am all in.
Skies of motherfucking Arcadia. Do it. Please do it. Please please do it. That game is to me like what Shenmue is to Huber. I would cry until my tear ducts bled if I could get another one.
Skies of motherfucking Arcadia. Do it. Please do it. Please please do it. That game is to me like what Shenmue is to Huber. I would cry until my tear ducts bled if I could get another one.