There's a whole thread on it. Fantastic gaming article. That's true games journalism though.
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Sony: No Mans Sky treated like a first-party release
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There's a whole thread on it. Fantastic gaming article. That's true games journalism though.
It's likely a combination of a few different "rules" put together that he'd never seen before. They've mentioned that everything is layers on layers of different interactions. Chasing you is one thing. Chasing you from space into atmosphere and hunting you down on the surface might not be something they'd seen before. It's possible that most NPC ships don't chase you that far. I dunno. I'm just trying to explain why he'd be surprised.
Must have missed it. Thanks!
Man, if everything turns out OK this is gonna be an incredible game. I can only hope it's as good as it appears to be.
Veritigo_X
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That is AI though, no need to put quotes around it. They are programming those behaviors and rules themselves, there isn't a procedural algorithm creating them. The game decides what actions these entities do based on certain criteria, but that's not really any different from other non-scripted AI. Animals might make unexpected moves but they are still following one of the many rules set for it.
This is all in context of why a developer would be surprised an NPC did something they DIDN'T specifically program them to do. It's a grab bag of rules and the algorithm combines them in ways the developers often cannot foresee. Is it an AI? Sure, but the developers can't necessarily predict what of the various "rules" anything is going to follow. It's different than what most games are trying to accomplish by programming AI behaviors. Normally, you are trying to make things predictable. NMS isn't necessarily doing that.
What you describe is not AI. There is no loose AI. But that's semantics.
Now, going back to the reaction, there might be unexpected effects of combining more rules and behaviors, but what is described there is not something so unexpected. Police ships start shooting at each other would be unexpected, but police cars following you after shooting another ships sounds like a basic rule. Even following you in the atmosphere shouldn't be surprising as long as they are allowed to fly in the atmosphere. Let's say that for a moment you don't know why are they following and shooting at you. It can be an "aha!" moment, but "this is a game!"? A bit of a show. Unless it happens first time you put all the things together. From my point of view the reactions doesn't fit the story. The reaction if it would be from a NPC in a game would be an example of unexpected AI behavior.
Ok then, it's not AI. Problem solved. The NPC characters don't have fixed scripted behavior, so are unpredictable. Maybe every other time he's shot at an NPC they either ignore him or only chase him for a short distance before going back to their ship. Now you understand how he could be surprised and get excited that one is doing something cool that maybe he hadn't seen.
googleplex
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This game, or one like in VR, would be my dream gaming experience.
Warablo
Member
Because it doesnt have a budget/expenses of a $60 game. It shouldnt need a $60 price tag for its profit margin.
thekiddfran
Member
Eh what now?
Icyflamez96
Member
That's not really how any media of any kind's pricing works though? Especially not video games on consoles.
LookAtMeGo
Member
Good to see Hello Games getting the royal treatment. Hopefully this game delivers. I'm confident it will.
I don't even care about that. I just want a release date (sometime this year preferably).
adamantypants
Member
I want to be super excited about this game, but first I need to know what the hell you're actually doing in it
On the plus side, NMS will probably have better social features.
If you can dance in NMS, they are keeping it under wraps for now.
shadowwarrior404
Neo Member
I really want a physical copy of No Man's Sky!
thekiddfran
Member
Yup and a collectors edition please
You fly from one planet to another. Is that still not clear enough?
travisbickle
Member
You shouldn't be so cynical about a second hand quote preceded by the words "said something like".
Can anyone tell me if the animal life is procedurally generated or are they developer creations? To me it looks like the actions of the animal life is completely random but bound by the rules applied to the game. I'd be a bit disappointed running into the same animal on different worlds.
The_Inquisitor
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It will be ready when it's ready. I have full faith Sony and the dev team are applying final touches to a spectacular game.
Dude is just capitalizing on Gaf mood. Mods saw through it - like they should. Funny the first page replies...biting at the bits...
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When you get that type of exclusivity deal, you don't have to say it - that's the intent first and foremost.
autoduelist
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Your definition of game AI seems pretty off? Predictability really has nothing to do with it. You can code 1 or 100 different potential actions for a given scenario - that is, completely predictable vs. nearly unpredictable - and it would still qualify as AI.
I certainly don't agree most games are trying to make the AI 'predictable'. If anything, predictability is easier to code and most devs try to 'hide' predictability by creating limited option sets (run, hide, shoot, call for backup, whatever).
The Dutch Slayer
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ow so that is reason its so late 
But that is awesome it really would help a lot if it had marketing that show what the game is all about.
But that is awesome it really would help a lot if it had marketing that show what the game is all about.
You will probably be running to lots of similar animals (same shape, but different colours and/or features).
I guess I can live with that. Game still looks amazing. I hope there is more info at E3.
GoonerTRON
Banned
Is it exclusive or not?
Wait it's multiplayer game? I had it in my head it was single player only. Hype just increased
EDIT: Hype deflated again... It's single player.
www.gameinformer.com/b/features/arc...ng-of-no-man-s-sky-as-a-multiplayer-game.aspx
Wait it's multiplayer game? I had it in my head it was single player only. Hype just increased
EDIT: Hype deflated again... It's single player.
www.gameinformer.com/b/features/arc...ng-of-no-man-s-sky-as-a-multiplayer-game.aspx
justsomeguy
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Coming to pc at some point, haven't seen anything about xbox but haven't looked either tbf
So, you're saying that the police ships will do their job randomly? Because there are still rules behind procedural generation. Of course that there can be still some unpredictability in the reaction, but that's also based on the rules. Even the fact that they might not follow you sometime is a rule, or a limited random. But my point is that the fact the police did followed them shouldn't be such a surprise for the people that wrote the police rules.
And do you think that the fact that the police chases you in GTA or Need for Speed is scripted?
You misunderstand, I'm not defining AI. Predictability has to do with why the developer was surprised.
Nothing in NMS procedural generation is random, but that doesn't mean it's necessarily predictable either. The way they wrote the software seems to prevent them from knowing exactly how things will always behave in the larger scheme of things and any changes they make might have a "butterfly effect" like result on other, seemingly unrelated things. Pretty much every time Sean Murray tries to explain their procedural algorithm, he gives an anecdote about this. Now since they wrote the algorithm, they can guess what it'll probably do - but its such a complex system that they don't always guess right, apparently.
Also, it's quite possible the developer in question had nothing to do with writing the police ship chase rules. It says in the quoted paragraph he was working on lasers and flight.
It has multiplayer elements. But it seems the chance of finding, let alone playing with your mates are remote.
thelastcrusader
Banned
This game is going to be amazing from everything shown so far so I can see why Sony is saying that. As for people talking shit...let's see after E3 if Sony has anything else.
Very appropriate. There's something about No Man's Sky that just draws them in. Really seems to rub some people up the wrong way. Very odd considering it's a title anyone who likes games should enjoy even existing (small team, bold ideas, trying something innovative) even if the game appeals or not.
GoonerTRON
Banned
Actually the more I think about it, it sounds alot like Journey. Could actually be pretty cool.
Dirtyshubb
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While i dont think it will ever be as big as Minecraft, just for the simple fact that you have infinite possibilities with building in Minecraft where as No Mans Sky is more infinite possibilities for finding unique planets and wildlife, i do think its quite possible that this game could be a really big hit.
To have a game that looks as gorgeous as NMS does, with the soundtrack it seems to have judging from the trailers and just the option to go exploring anywhere to find whatever you can with the fact that what you find most likely wont have been seen by anyone else could make this really popular. A constant amount of new experiences to share with friends and others will be pretty damn cool.
NMS is probably the game i am most looking forward to at the moment, especially with the thought that this will hopefully support Morpheus as that will make it a true game changer for many im sure.
Cthulhu_Steev
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WiiU wins NPD.
kraspkibble
Permabanned.
seems like a more colourful/fun version of Elite Dangerous. oh and you will actually be able to explore the planets you travel to.
for the age demographic Sony usually goes after, this is way more appealing than Minecraft
Not even the developers can predict that, there is nothing scripted or even following rules in this game, as I learned in this thread, it will be a surprise for everybody.
you unlock Mario Galaxy
iNvid02
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Boyes: "we have nothing, FUCKING NOTHING. there are literally no games coming out for PS4."
shu: "stop it adam you're making me nervous. oh god. what about no mans?"
boyes: "but it's not first party shu, Murray and his gang recoiled at our advances. Jesus wtf are we gonna do"
House: "we make it so they can't refuse our help. We'll be there for them in their time of need, and no mans sky will basically become a first party title"
Boyes: "you're a genius andrew, fuck me I thought it was game over for a second."
House: "shu pack your bags you're going to England"
*breaking: hellogames offices were flooded today destroying all computer equipment at the Guildford based developer*
shu: "stop it adam you're making me nervous. oh god. what about no mans?"
boyes: "but it's not first party shu, Murray and his gang recoiled at our advances. Jesus wtf are we gonna do"
House: "we make it so they can't refuse our help. We'll be there for them in their time of need, and no mans sky will basically become a first party title"
Boyes: "you're a genius andrew, fuck me I thought it was game over for a second."
House: "shu pack your bags you're going to England"
*breaking: hellogames offices were flooded today destroying all computer equipment at the Guildford based developer*