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[Ulysses 31]

You can frame a system to protect civil discourse as political if you wish. A gaming system chat function isn't where you get constitutional protections for your speech. If you have such concerns, no gaming console chat function with be suitable for you.

I'm not American so the constitution doesn't apply to me anyway, a feminist got banned from Twitter for saying men aren't women. If Sony does tows such ideological positions too, it should be known.

This is not a free speech platform, pal.

So toe the line!

Stating biological facts shouldn't be bannable.

 

[Kdad]

I'm not American so the constitution doesn't apply to me anyway, a feminist got banned from Twitter for saying men aren't women. If Sony does tows such ideological positions too, it should be known.

Stating biological facts shouldn't be bannable.

Why are you having biological facts discussions with people you do not know on a platform designed for gaming....

If you want to discuss your understanding of biological facts do it where you want...but private companies don't have to give you a platform.

 

[Piku_Ringo]

Stating biological facts shouldn't be bannable.

“Xbox Live is not a free speech platform. It is not a place where anybody can come and say anything. And as we're working to ensure it's a safe and inclusive environment for everybody, I don't want to be opaque about it.

If you are gonna spew divisive talk like that which goes against the idea of a safe space, then expect to be a part of the problem and be culled swiftly without remorse.

 

[reinking]

Seems like the recordings can be used to get you banned.

Same thing can happen on most any service. Go read other TOS and user agreements for online services including other video game consoles. You will see that some of them even explicitly state that they can/will turn records over to legal authorities too.

 

[Rac3r]

Title is accurate but the original post isn’t true. Sony isn’t recording anyone. Don’t join parties with people you don’t trust and/or say things that could potentially be used against you. This “warning” hasn’t changed anything. Random people can always record you, and Sony, MS, Nintendo, etc aren’t responsible if they do.

Stop spreading FUD.

 

[Ulysses 31]

Why are you having biological facts discussions with people you do not know on a platform designed for gaming....

If you want to discuss your understanding of biological facts do it where you want...but private companies don't have to give you a platform.

If twitch is any indication, people have all kinds of idle talk during games, if such a topic were to come up I'd like to know how to handle it on a Sony platform.

 

[Foamy]

I don't see why anyone but people who use unacceptable language and act like a piece of garbage would be bothered by this.

 

[farmerboy]

Should we also remind people that this is only occurring when recording gameplay and that user may also choose to upload your party chat to youtube or twitch or something.

JUST IN CASE YOU DIDN'T ALREADY KNOW.

On a more serious note, can individuals opt out of their voice being recorded?

 

[Zog]

By other users on the party chat. So, well, aye. Don't harass folk I suppose.

If you have nothing to hide then surveillance is ok.

 

[SecretAgentHam]

Seems like the recordings can be used to get you banned.

correct me if I'm wrong, but lets assume someone purchases a Digital Only console and gets banned. Since they're locked out of PSN, their digital purchases are also restricted, yes? I feel like I've seen this happen somewhere before and this makes the whole thing a bit unnerving.

 

[Skifi28]

If twitch is any indication, people have all kinds of idle talk during games, if such a topic were to come up I'd like to know how to handle it on a Sony platform.

Not discussing controversial topics with complete strangers on a closed platform is generally good advice. The outcome is not defined, but one can assume it can be pretty bad at a worst case scenario. Use common sense, not much else to say.

 

[Kdad]

If twitch is any indication, people have all kinds of idle talk during games, if such a topic were to come up I'd like to know how to handle it on a Sony platform.

Sony is going to act in the interests of its users and if users are reporting you then you're likely to be crossing a community standard. Thier community conduct guidelines are on their website.

 

[NeoLed]

Hmm, where is the OP? Did he just hit and run? Calverz Will you update the OP which is your one and only post in 4 pages of the thread you create?

 

[Kdad]

Not discussing controversial topics with complete strangers on a closed platform is generally good advice. The outcome is not defined, but one can assume it can be pretty bad at a worst case scenario. Use common sense, not much else to say.

But...they are just discussing "facts" ...nothing wrong with discussing "facts"

 

[Ulysses 31]

Same thing can happen on most any service. Go read other TOS and user agreements for online services including other video game consoles. You will see that some of them even explicitly state that they can/will turn records over to legal authorities too.

As with all these services it comes down to what is deemed offensive, I just hope Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo are sensible enough not to cater too much a vocal far left minority on social medias.

 

[MrFunSocks]

Nothing concern troll about it.

Maybe they should have been more clear in the first place.

They were perfectly clear in the first place. People that have poor reading and writing skills incorrectly interpreting something doesn't mean it wasn't clear.

Anyone with a competent level of english could read that sentence and see that sony weren't saying they record your chats.

Yup makes total sense. You're consenting for "other" people to record you.

Well you can't not consent when someone you don't know and is across the other side of the world records what you're saying on voice chat lol.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Looks like Sony is forcing legality of recordings by putting a clause saying you automatically agree to being recorded by other gamers.

Puts the legal onus on you, as Sony will say it's not their problem as you didn't read the ToS.

 

[Kdad]

correct me if I'm wrong, but lets assume someone purchases a Digital Only console and gets banned. Since they're locked out of PSN, their digital purchases are also restricted, yes? I feel like I've seen this happen somewhere before and this makes the whole thing a bit unnerving.

Never game online with the account you make purchases with...

 

[Entroyp]

So I couldn’t record what people were saying in a party chat before? What was keeping from doing so? I’m curious...

 

[Tripolygon]

Should we also remind people that this is only occurring when recording gameplay and that user may also choose to upload your party chat to youtube or twitch or something.

JUST IN CASE YOU DIDN'T ALREADY KNOW.

On a more serious note, can individuals opt out of their voice being recorded?

Mute your mic. Lol

 

[MrFunSocks]

Never game online with the account you make purchases with...

Or just don't be a dickhead.

 

[Tripolygon]

Or just don't be a dickhead.

 

[Texas Pride]

This wouldn't happen if the players watched their language , they don't deserve more chances.

Fuck outta here with this.

 

[itsjustJEFF]

It's a disclaimer, it's not a regular thing. I guess just don't be a shithead. Also, it's 2020. If I mention Nike's out loud, within the hour I will be fed Nike ads on nearly every single device I have. If this disclaimer freaks you out, I suggest you not read any other disclaimers, especially the Social Media privacy disclaimers.

If it bothers you that much and you plan on canceling your pre-order... would you mind sending it my way instead?

 

[Paracelsus]

If you have nothing to hide then surveillance is ok.

Some people are getting very pathetic just to defend a corporation. This is just one of the many embarrassing episodes where they are looking ridiculous.
Anyway, Sony is gonna have to toggle this "feature" off very quickly if they don't want their anal orifice shredded by the european courts.

 

[Kdad]

Or just don't be a dickhead.

Fair...but for those that are unsure of thier ability to be under control...there is a way to protect your digital purchases.

 

[Kdad]

Some people are getting very pathetic just to defend a corporation. This is just one of the many embarrassing episodes where they are looking ridiculous.
Anyway, Sony is gonna have to toggle this "feature" off very quickly if they don't want their anal orifice shredded by the european courts.

You've read nothing in this thread have you?

 

[SentientStone]

With great power comes great responsibility, I fear for the same abuse as the SJW twitter movements.
But how does one balance this without Neuralink connected into our brains to detect the genuine nature of our consciousness and intent? lol

 

[Ulysses 31]

correct me if I'm wrong, but lets assume someone purchases a Digital Only console and gets banned. Since they're locked out of PSN, their digital purchases are also restricted, yes? I feel like I've seen this happen somewhere before and this makes the whole thing a bit unnerving.

This might be just my paranoia speaking but if these recordings can easily be tampered with, clipped out of content or edited like we see on twitter, I really hope Sony has tools to verify the recordings.

 

[N30RYU]

Do ppl read?? this only means that if you don't behave like said in the TOS in a chat, some other user you are using the chat with can report you sending sony the recording of the comversation... so you must behave corerectly.

 

[Grinchy]

How strict are they?

Can I assume gender?
I can say that there are only 2 genders?
That Kyle Rittenhouse did nothing wrong?

It would be a really interesting experiment to have 2 party chats. In one of them, say all those things you are saying and report it with a recording.

In the other, say there are 78 genders, Kyle is a white supremacist who deserves to die, ect. Report that.

Then, see which account gets the ban.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Sony: 'We Do Not Record' PS4 Party Chats

Users can, but Sony doesn't

www.pushsquare.com

Users can, but Sony doesn't.

 

[Mobile Suit Gooch]

Yeah I 'member concern-trolling like it was still happening today

Too late. outrage ppl are gonna claim that they're boycotting the system even though they gonna buy it anyways. You know the ones.

 

[Clear]

This might be just my paranoia speaking but if these recordings can easily be tampered with, clipped out of content or edited like we see on twitter, I really hope Sony has tools to verify the recordings.

Here's what Sony are actually saying, I'm underlining the stuff that PSN is actively offering as a legal disclaimer:

1. We do not guarantee security or privacy in chat because other people can record you.
2. If recordings are submitted to us as part of a griefing complaint or similar that falls under our responsibility, we will look at them but the content will be isolated in a specific controlled department.

Its just what they can and can't offer with the system as it stands, there's nothing sinister here at all.

 

[AeneaGames]

The phrasing suggests other users are the ones doing the recording, not Sony, though taking moderation action based on what occurs in private party chats may be new policy?

Not really a new policy, when you misbehave in a text chat you can send screenshots to Sony as prove for foul behaviour. They will take action if needed.

Now users in a party chat can record the chat without needing 3rd party stuff and thus more easily report foul behaviour in party chats...

I don't personally see an issue. However since most PS exclusives are single player I don't think this will affect many people.

Yes, people don't play 3rd party games on a PlayStation console...

*shaking my head*

 

[AeneaGames]

This is standard practice. Everything is recorded.

Heck, I say PS5 at or around my GF's phone at least twice a day so her FB picks it up and sends her targetted ads.

#PS5NotSecured

If what you say is actually what happens how is this PS5's fault, it's not even out yet!

#yourgfsphoneinsecure

And even then that's not actually what happens, any idea how much data that would be that needs to be processed? Still impossible right now maybe in 30 years, sure. What probably happened is that you or your gf has recently googled something game related on her phone...

 

[down 2 orth]

Fuck that noise, and fuck you Sony.

 

[AeneaGames]

This is the most consecutive string of bad press I've seen Sony get since the PS3. The hits just keep coming.

Sad that Xbox and/or their fans feel the need to do this tho, right?

Fuck that noise, and fuck you Sony.

Please read!

 

[mortal]

I have a feeling a PS5 voice chat recording will end up as evidence in some future murder case.

 

[AeneaGames]

I just can’t wait to see the guidelines on how they are going to decide the length of a ban. It is kind of nutty that they are turning themselves into the judge, jury and executioner.

This new internal policing department will have to hire an army of language specialists from all different backgrounds to ensure they can capture all the different culturally and regionally specific nuances of insults and swear words. Lol.

I wonder what is in it for Sony except scoring some popularity points with the PC crowd and appear like they are trendy.

This is not new, they can already suspend or ban you due to your behaviour in for instance text messages. Now voice is added too.

Besides, xbox has the same policies for at least text chats, no idea what they do with voice recordings or how this sorta thing is handled on pc. Does discord ban people for misbehaving?

I know the answers to those questions, and so does the us legal system. I'm curious what Sony thinks of them.



Edit: In case it wasn't clear, I don't think Sony should be enforcing any kind of political ideology if I were to use party voice chat.

Who said they are?

 

[The Alien]

Lol. 3 weeks away from next and now they tell us.

Keep an eye out for new terms of service with that PS5.

 

[White-fire]

Fuck that noise, and fuck you Sony.

Say it with me, "reading is fundamental."

 

[Bryank75]

 

[JimboJones]

If your in a party chat and someone is streaming with you in the game, guess what? Your voice is being recorded.
I play warzone all the time with buddies 2 on Xbox , 1 on playstation and save the odd replay now and again, you can hear them chatting in the videos.

 

[Clintizzle]

If what you say is actually what happens how is this PS5's fault, it's not even out yet!

#yourgfsphoneinsecure

And even then that's not actually what happens, any idea how much data that would be that needs to be processed? Still impossible right now maybe in 30 years, sure. What probably happened is that you or your gf has recently googled something game related on her phone...

You sound like you have no idea.

Have a nice day.

 

[White-fire]

One of the funnier hot takes im seeing is that somehow this is somehow illegal in states that require two party consent. Sony is literally putting this disclaimer because if you join you are consenting to possibly being recorded . The average person is worryingly operating without critical thinking.

edit: decided to be nicer

 

[KingT731]

This is very similar to what happens the first time you select "Allow my voice to be shared" in the PS4 party settings because of someone else streaming from the PS4. By default Party chat is not broadcast from the PS4(Voice also doesn't show up in video captures via "Share" button either unless the previous option is selected) and also requires a separate cable for most capture devices as well.

 

[AeneaGames]

You sound like you have no idea.

Have a nice day.

 

[mikefrails]

Funny how Xbox got roasted for this yet you have users in here defending it.

 

[Blond]

Please be aware that voice chats in parties may be recorded

Then asking you to agree to the terms lol.

may be recorded and sent to us by other users.


why are people in this thread being so damn obtuse?