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[RiverKwai]

Halo is a 8-10 million per game franchise (of the #'d versions) so a lot of casual fans won't jump on till the real sequel is released.

I think that if you are expecting anything close to 10 million, that you're very optimistic.
But hey, it'll be interesting if that happens. It would take either a historically unprecedented attach rate, or an effective doubling of the install base for that to happen, right?

 

[John Bender]

The reasons Sony doesn't pump enough games is simple because is still selling a lot.

In the other hand MS and Nintendo are pumping games like crazy (or at least more than PS)

I just want people to buy the system with the most games so companies would enter emergency mode.

Most games / bigger game library = PS4
More 1st Party releases = PS4
"PS4 selling well" being to reason for less 1st Party Games = nonsense!

So what are you even talking about?

 

[Newtype-001]

Genuine question - if Sony had delayed the order, Bloodborne, tearaway unfolded, until dawn, Journey and GoW remastered to October/November/December (along with the exclusives releasing there anyway, like persona 5) would their lineup for the year be considered better (or to rephrase it, would they be 'pumping' harder)?

if we use the logic being applied in this thread sony would be pumping so hard their arms would be like that of a hormonal teen the night his parents went out for dinner.

 

[Cthulhu_Steev]

Genuine question - if Sony had delayed the order, Bloodborne, tearaway unfolded, until dawn, Journey and GoW remastered to October/November/December (along with the exclusives releasing there anyway, like persona 5) would their lineup for the year be considered better (or to rephrase it, would they be 'pumping' harder)?

Apparently, they'd be pumping harder if they released Uncharted this year, even if it was just a bunch of wire frame graphics with a Sully sprite bouncing around. That's all they had to do, just push it out for the 'holidays'.

I've put holidays in quotes because we call it Christmas over here. It's the time when people will buy any old shit though, so shove it out even if it's half-baked, Chief.

 

[Somnia]

I think that if you are expecting anything close to 10 million, that you're very optimistic.
But hey, it'll be interesting if that happens. It would take either a historically unprecedented attach rate, or an effective doubling of the install base for that to happen, right?

It'll do 8-10 million in its lifetime, it's not going to do that in the first month.

Halo is a title that sells for the life of the console, it just happens to have a huge month also.

 

[Cthulhu_Steev]

It'll do 8-10 million in its lifetime, it's not going to do that in the first month.

Halo is a title that sells for the life of the console, it just happens to have a huge month also.

Halo will only do 10 million if they put Trevor and Franklin in there.

 

[Somnia]

Halo will only do 10 million if they put Trevor and Franklin in there.

Again I'm talking about lifetime here, not first month, first year, etc.

 

[Cthulhu_Steev]

Again I'm talking about lifetime here, not first month, first year, etc.

Not without T&F they won't, T&F bring the crazy sales. Why do you think Uncharted and Ratchet got delayed? Hidden T&F unlockables, that's why.

 

[Somnia]

Not without T&F they won't, T&F bring the crazy sales. Why do you think Uncharted and Ratchet got delayed? Hidden T&F unlockables, that's why.

I think you drank to much coffee this morning

 

[SnowFlakeCake]

Well, UC4 and Ratchet will be there for sure. But yeah I agree, no way in hell we'll get all of them.

I think it's going to be UC4, Ratchet and Horizon for the year and fuck all else from their first party studios. I would love to be wrong but don't see anything else happening, would be amazing to see GT7 come in sometime during then but don't know who I would be kidding. I have high hopes that we do get 4 big AAA games from Sony first party in 2016, Horizon from GG is one of the games which I'm sure will be pretty but they ain't done anything that was actually good since Killzone 2, a game which released 6 years ago. GG just aren't a very good studio and boy oh boy they've been given enough money and resources to have no excuses.

MM is another one, I know they're a small team and all but shit most of the team have been working on this new IP since LBP2 released in what, 2011? 4 and a half years later, yes almost half a decade later all they've released is Tearaway (which BTW was amazing) but it was made by a very small portion of the team. I'm all for letting the first party developers take their time but fucking hell, there's a fine line between giving a studio enough time and straight up taking the piss. I'm patient though, as I said before I've no doubt the likes of MM, SSM, ND and PD will release games that will have been worth the wait, MM was the studio I was worried about but Tearaway showed they are still one of my favourite studios at Sony along with Sucker Punch and PD.

You realize they JUST recently said that, right? It's not something they started considering until after those games were announced.

Also, Rime is this year and Rapture is coming before the fall.

Sony pulled that line long ago, I don't know what you consider as recent but a very long time ago I do recall Sony saying announcing TLG so early was a mistake and they would avoid doing that in the future. Yet here we are.

 

[Cthulhu_Steev]

I think you drank to much coffee this morning

cboat was round for an all-nighter

 

[mrklaw]

The reasons Sony doesn't pump enough games is simple because is still selling a lot.

In the other hand MS and Nintendo are pumping games like crazy (or at least more than PS)

I just want people to buy the system with the most games so companies would enter emergency mode.

This is absolute nonsense

1) sony would not have known they were going to do this well. You cannot simply choose to make fewer games, you need years of lead time. You are suggesting they guessed they'd do well and chose to invest in fewer games. That would be idiotic.

Their investment was simply already allocated on late gen PS3 titles and couldn't move across to PS4 quickly. I am a little surprised at the gap but maybe Sony needed money from software sales to an established user base? Or they had originally planned to bring PS4 out a little later?

2) MS are absolutely not pumping games out like crazy. They release even fewer than Sony, yet for some reason Sony is stuck with this fuxking annoying 'no games' meme.

 

[ArchedThunder]

It'll do 8-10 million in its lifetime, it's not going to do that in the first month.

Halo is a title that sells for the life of the console, it just happens to have a huge month also.

After the damage done by Halo 4 and MCC I don't see it doing any more than 6 million lifetime, possibly a lot closer to 5 million. If I remember correctly Halo 4 did over 8 million and under 9 million, correct?

 

[Somnia]

After the damage done by Halo 4 and MCC I don't see it doing any more than 6 million lifetime, possibly a lot closer to 5 million. If I remember correctly Halo 4 did over 8 million and under 9 million, correct?

Last we heard 4 was over 9 million I believe not under. I believe it was stated it was the 2nd highest selling Halo behind 3 with Reach right behind 4 if I remember right. Don't underestimate the casual Halo fans and the marketing machine that MS will put behind 5. The single-player alone will draw a lot of people in.

Also 5-6 million would put it as the lowest selling #'d Halo game. I don't see that happening at all, I don't think it'll reach 3, 4 or Reach #'s, but it'll sell more than 1, 2 and ODST (which did close to 7 million).

 

[quest]

This is absolute nonsense

1) sony would not have known they were going to do this well. You cannot simply choose to make fewer games, you need years of lead time. You are suggesting they guessed they'd do well and chose to invest in fewer games. That would be idiotic.

Their investment was simply already allocated on late gen PS3 titles and couldn't move across to PS4 quickly. I am a little surprised at the gap but maybe Sony needed money from software sales to an established user base? Or they had originally planned to bring PS4 out a little later?

2) MS are absolutely not pumping games out like crazy. They release even fewer than Sony, yet for some reason Sony is stuck with this fuxking annoying 'no games' meme.

It is all about expectations. Sony killed it last generation and that set the bar extremely high this generation. Sony is not blameless though they need to get better control over the first party studios. To let GT6 development go that long was a disaster and a mistake. It will be basically over 2 years from launch till the PS4 gets a heavy hitter first party game in UC4. The guys who are in charge of the first party studios should thank god every day they have jobs. They took the best fist party studios in the world and drug them down to mediocrity.

 

[ArchedThunder]

Last we heard 4 was over 9 million I believe not under. I believe it was stated it was the 2nd highest selling Halo behind 3 with Reach right behind 4 if I remember right. Don't underestimate the casual Halo fans and the marketing machine that MS will put behind 5. The single-player alone will draw a lot of people in.

Also 5-6 million would put it as the lowest selling #'d Halo game. I don't see that happening at all, I don't think it'll reach 3, 4 or Reach #'s, but it'll sell more than 1, 2 and ODST (which did close to 7 million).

I think Halo 4 and MCC have done some serious damage to the franchise and will hurt Halo 5's sales. Selling around 5-6 million would put it around Halo CE's numbers. Plus I don't see it having super good legs, so it's launch is probably going to be the biggest deciding factor on its sales and unless it pushes a ridiculous amount of hardware it just isn't going to sell as well as the Halo games after CE.
If the Xbox One can continue to sell okay in North America and Halo 5 repairs the brand name then maybe Halo 6 will do a number around 8 million or so, I just don't see Halo 5 reaching those numbers.

 

[Somnia]

I think Halo 4 and MCC have done some serious damage to the franchise and will hurt Halo 5's sales. Selling around 5-6 million would put it around Halo CE's numbers. Plus I don't see it having super good legs, so it's launch is probably going to be the biggest deciding factor on its sales and unless it pushes a ridiculous amount of hardware it just isn't going to sell as well as the Halo games after CE.
If the Xbox One can continue to sell okay in North America and Halo 5 repairs the brand name then maybe Halo 6 will do a number around 8 million or so, I just don't see Halo 5 reaching those numbers.

Maybe we will see. I still say it'll do in the 7-8 million range so above ODST but below 3,4, reach.

 

[RiverKwai]

All I know for sure is that I'll be too busy playing all the PS4's "not games" to care about the "Holiday season" and the lack of first party AAA exclusives.

 

[Firelord Chargrilled]

The reasons Sony doesn't pump enough games is simple because is still selling a lot.

In the other hand MS and Nintendo are pumping games like crazy (or at least more than PS)

I just want people to buy the system with the most games so companies would enter emergency mode.

 

[goonergaz]

how does it water down my argument the topic and even sony admitted their first party support is sparse and then people defend it and go well least there's third party games. And then "well it plays better on sonys console" who cares its still a game on another system. And by appeal to fans I was talking exclusive wise this year, sony has had some decent exclusives the first half which is bloodborne, but you cant tell me that tearaway is going to be bigger than halo.

good job Sony have to depend on 1st party is all I was saying, you make it sound like there's nothing big coming on PS4. And at least Tearaway will be an original experience on a home console.

 

[Aceofspades]

As it stand Gears, Halo 5, Tomb Raider, Elite Dangerous, FM6 are much more appealing first party titles (to me anyway)

So basically back to the trio Gears,Halo and forza...the others will land on PS4 eventually.

 

[Zukkoyaki]

good job Sony have to depend on 1st party is all I was saying, you make it sound like there's nothing big coming on PS4. And at least Tearaway will be an original experience on a home console.

There's little doubt in my mind that Tearaway Unfolded is going to be one of the PS4's absolute best exclusives behind Bloodborne.

 

[Servbot24]

There's little doubt in my mind that Tearaway Unfolded is going to be one of the PS4's absolute best exclusives behind Bloodborne.

Absolutely.

For some reason people want to discount it since it includes levels from a Vita game. Even though most of them never even played the Vita game.

 

[Somnia]

Absolutely.

For some reason people want to discount it since it includes levels from a Vita game. Even though most of them never even played the Vita game.

People aren't discounting how great the game is, because it is amazing. They are discounting people thinking it will sell well.

 

[goonergaz]

I agree, really looking forward to it (got plat on Vita) - however I don't think it'll sell well compared to Halo and apparently that's all that matters in this very narrow 'XBO has to win something' discussion

 

[benny_a]

People aren't discounting how great the game is, because it is amazing. They are discounting people thinking it will sell well.

There are people that are saying it will sell well?

I only see people that are saying that others are saying it will sell well, but haven't seen the former.

 

[Servbot24]

Oh, naturally it won't sell.

But people wouldn't be upset if they were merely talking about sales.

 

[Somnia]

I agree, really looking forward to it (got plat on Vita) - however I don't think it'll sell well compared to Halo and apparently that's all that matters in this very narrow 'XBO has to win something' discussion

I wasn't even bringing up Halo in that discussion or ever stating XB1 has to "win something" so what are you talking about?

Earlier discussion was about Halo sales so we discussed it, this talk about Tearaway has nothing to do with that discussion.

 

[The Mad Draklor]

There's little doubt in my mind that Tearaway Unfolded is going to be one of the PS4's absolute best exclusives behind Bloodborne.

I have high confidence in Tearaway Unfolded. The original game sold quite well when you take into account the Vita's small userbase and Unfolded is not a mere remaster. Having played it on the Vita, I felt that it was a once-in-a-lifetime experience. It's unique artsyle, lighthearted humor, interesting gameplay, and way of engaging the player felt refreshing.

It's definitely not going to sell as much as the big boys, but it's not going to do nothing either.

 

[goonergaz]

Well I'm confused, is this about PS4 having no games or not?

edit - I think it was JK Money saying about that, my comment wasn't directed at you somnia

 

[Somnia]

Well I'm confused, is this about PS4 having no games or not?

This thread has gone a million different directions so it's really not about any one thing at this point.

 

[Aguero9320]

Thought Tearaway was alright, but not sure it will survive the jump to the big screen all that well.

 

[pswii60]

This thread is going round in circles. It's like all the GAF fanboy argument threads since the dawn of time consolidated in to one bloated untidy package. It's all here: ignorance, denial, lies, moving goalposts and list wars. Then there's the usual first vs third party debate nonsense, whether digital only games count, etc. Well obviously the only things that count are the points which will help them with their side of the argument.

But what everyone seems to have forgotten is that you can't win an argument on the Internet. Stop bickering.

 

[urbanOSU]

I seriously hope that sony is looking at Shu's job, this is the second holiday season that Sony appears to be dropping the ball, and aside from Bloodborne, the majority of First party releases have be fairly mediocre. Yes, I know many will say look at the position the ps4 is in, and how stupid my comment is. But honestly alot of the reason Sony has enjoyed huge sales numbers is not what they are offering, but rather Microsoft jsut destroying their launch of the Xbox 1 with its disastorious PR. I feel Sony is almost resting on their laurels. Even the ps3, which had a very rocky launch, had much better exclusives at this point, then the ps4 has had. Sony is always known to have an army of first party studios, that generally come out with exclusives you have to have. Not so this gen... so far.

 

[benny_a]

I seriously hope that sony is looking at Shu's job, this is the second holiday season that Sony appears to be dropping the ball, and aside from Bloodborne, the majority of First party releases have be fairly mediocre. Yes, I know many will say look at the position the ps4 is in, and how stupid my comment is. But honestly alot of the reason Sony has enjoyed huge sales numbers is not what they are offering, but rather Microsoft jsut destroying their launch of the Xbox 1 with its disastorious PR. I feel Sony is almost resting on their laurels. Even the ps3, which had a very rocky launch, had much better exclusives at this point, then the ps4 has had. Sony is always known to have an army of first party studios, that generally come out with exclusives you have to have. Not so this gen... so far.

If we're talking money Shu should cancel everything that isn't Uncharted, Last of Us and Gran Turismo and just have cheap teams work on those to extract the most money out of those until the AAA industry collapses.

If we're talking interesting stuff, then you have to do what Shu is doing and letting the game developers use the time and allow them to fail.

 

[Newtype-001]

I seriously hope that sony is looking at Shu's job, this is the second holiday season that Sony appears to be dropping the ball, and aside from Bloodborne, the majority of First party releases have be fairly mediocre. Yes, I know many will say look at the position the ps4 is in, and how stupid my comment is. But honestly alot of the reason Sony has enjoyed huge sales numbers is not what they are offering, but rather Microsoft jsut destroying their launch of the Xbox 1 with its disastorious PR. I feel Sony is almost resting on their laurels. Even the ps3, which had a very rocky launch, had much better exclusives at this point, then the ps4 has had. Sony is always known to have an army of first party studios, that generally come out with exclusives you have to have. Not so this gen... so far.

Oh man

- shu being axed
- sony only "winning" cause MS messed up
- resting on laurels
- rose tinted view on ps3 launch

All in one post. Its like the culmination of all the bad posts in this thread.

 

[goonergaz]

I think the main thing should be exclusive, frankly does the whole '1st party' thing matter as much as long as it's a true exclusive? Anyway, there's more than enough to keep me busy - I'm gutted Uncharted 4 was delayed but I have a pile ready to play already.

 

[Cthulhu_Steev]

I seriously hope that sony is looking at Shu's job, this is the second holiday season that Sony appears to be dropping the ball, and aside from Bloodborne, the majority of First party releases have be fairly mediocre. Yes, I know many will say look at the position the ps4 is in, and how stupid my comment is. But honestly alot of the reason Sony has enjoyed huge sales numbers is not what they are offering, but rather Microsoft jsut destroying their launch of the Xbox 1 with its disastorious PR. I feel Sony is almost resting on their laurels. Even the ps3, which had a very rocky launch, had much better exclusives at this point, then the ps4 has had. Sony is always known to have an army of first party studios, that generally come out with exclusives you have to have. Not so this gen... so far.

Regardless of what position the PS4 is in, your comment is stupid.

It's a classic first post in a Sony 'Where's the Games?!' thread though, it hits all the buttons in one barely legible paragraph. You missed out on 'Sony is coasting' but you did put in 'resting on their laurels' some I'm awarding you that point.

Welcome to Gaf.

Oh man

- shu being axed
- sony only "winning" cause MS messed up
- resting on laurels
- rose tinted view on ps3 launch

All in one post. Its like the culmination of all the bad posts in this thread.

lol. It's like they have to wipe their arse using the whole roll of toilet paper first go, instead of rationing it out between poos ... I mean posts.

 

[Frag Waffles]

So how is everyone feeling about Sony's E3 now? We know there won't be any big surprises for this year, but do you think they will finally let us know about the games and new IPs in the works?

I'm hoping that, especially with no Gamescom, this E3 is finally the time they reveal the big games.

 

[DNAbro]

It's like if exclusives don't come out during the end of the year, they don't exist.

 

[Armadilo]

So how is everyone feeling about Sony's E3 now? We know there won't be any big surprises for this year, but do you think they will finally let us know about the games and new IPs in the works?

I'm hoping that, especially with no Gamescom, this E3 is finally the time they reveal the big games.

You sure about that ?

 

[Cthulhu_Steev]

So how is everyone feeling about Sony's E3 now? We know there won't be any big surprises for this year, but do you think they will finally let us know about the games and new IPs in the works?

I'm hoping that, especially with no Gamescom, this E3 is finally the time they reveal the big games.

There are going to be surprises though, they might not announce any more games for release this year (or they might! oh!) but they have loads of stuff in the oven to announce..

... oven things like delicious Shu Buns (Choux buns), Andrew House Cakes (big sponge cake with a small square of chocolate inside), Shawn 'Fully' Layden doughnuts (yummy doughnuts available in Powers-based flavours), Mark Cerny's Tub rolls (subs with cheese 'time to' triangles, and special sauce - free bottle of tub-water with these), Boye's Buns (just Boye's with his bum out on the counter- he's a character!) and Hot Cat-Dogs...

anyway, whu? where was I? yeah, they'll have surprises.

 

[SmokedMeat]

And by appeal to fans I was talking exclusive wise this year, sony has had some decent exclusives the first half which is bloodborne, but you cant tell me that tearaway is going to be bigger than halo.

What does it matter if Tearaway is bigger than Halo? The PS4 will have Blops 3 and Battlefront, both of which will be bigger than Halo.

 

[akidnamededdy]

You sure about that ?

Does Sony do stuff like that? I know Nintendo does but I'm trying to remember the last time Sony had such a quick turnaround between announcement and release and I can't think of anything. I'm sure I'm missing something though, I usually only watch Nintendo's conferences and read about the other ones later.

 

[Newtype-001]

Does Sony do stuff like that? I know Nintendo does but I'm trying to remember the last time Sony had such a quick turnaround between announcement and release and I can't think of anything. I'm sure I'm missing something though, I usually only watch Nintendo's conferences and read about the other ones later.

GT6 and LBP3
last year and the year before. So its not unprecedented.

 

[Nightengale]

So how is everyone feeling about Sony's E3 now? We know there won't be any big surprises for this year, but do you think they will finally let us know about the games and new IPs in the works?

I'm hoping that, especially with no Gamescom, this E3 is finally the time they reveal the big games.

No Gamescom, but there's still PGW.

For all intents and purpose, there's no difference in no.of conferences.

 

[myharlequin]

I think Halo 4 and MCC have done some serious damage to the franchise and will hurt Halo 5's sales. Selling around 5-6 million would put it around Halo CE's numbers. Plus I don't see it having super good legs, so it's launch is probably going to be the biggest deciding factor on its sales and unless it pushes a ridiculous amount of hardware it just isn't going to sell as well as the Halo games after CE.
If the Xbox One can continue to sell okay in North America and Halo 5 repairs the brand name then maybe Halo 6 will do a number around 8 million or so, I just don't see Halo 5 reaching those numbers.

Halo 4 have done damage to the franchise? Go to bed..! Halo 4 has the best campaing of all Halos out there! and rigth now MCC is up and RUNNING !!

People should update their news, what is next? Xbox ONE has DRM or it is always Online?

 

[OléGunner]

It's like if exclusives don't come out during the end of the year, they don't exist.

It's honestly astounding how well MS PR spin of "pre season" and "only holidays count" has actually worked on so many here on Gaf.

We all laughed when we first heard it but now they are so many believers.

Truly masterful work by Greenberg and co.

 

[RoKKeR]

It's honestly astounding how well MS PR spin of "pre season" and "only holidays count" has actually worked on so many here on Gaf.

We all laughed when we first heard it but now they are so many believers.

Truly masterful work by Greenberg and co.

Um, yeah their terminology might be a bit corny but they are right. People buy more consoles (and things in general) during the holidays. Not much to debate there, so having big exclusives releasing in that time frame help push sales even further.

 

[paragonpro]

This thread....I expect nothing, yet I'm still disappointed.