Sony Patent Application - Trophies in past-gen trophy-less titles

#1
Sony seems to be exploring different ways/reasons to award trophies to users, even for games that don't natively support them.

To be more specific, in this patent application they talk about awarding trophies using disk access "triggers".

You can get a general idea of how it works below.

United States Patent Application 2013007355

Title: METHOD AND APPARATUS FOR AWARDING TROPHIES
Published: 03/21/2013
Filed: 09/19/2012

Abstract:
A method and apparatus for adding trophy support games that do not have trophies without modifying the original game. The method and apparatus are used to detect particular disk access, use the detected disk access as potential trophy triggers in games, and recognize the triggers while a game is played. Trophies are awarded based on the triggers, and the awarded trophies are stored.




Headed to PS4?


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#2
Ok, so that would be a pretty sweet way to let people get Trophies from PS1 and PS2 classics.

Also it woud let Insomniac patch Resistance 1 with trophies. Bwahaha.
 
#4
This is just a patent. It means next to nothing. Companies file patents for all manner of things near constantly. It's a cool idea but that's all it is, an idea.
 
#9
I expect that PS4 will have trophies for all new games as standard it was only initial PS3 games that didnt have them, it was added as PS3 feature after launch. So I would assume its for PS3 games.

MGS4 trophies incoming ?(I wish)

However it seems there are issues with this alternative approach. e.g for a digital download you can not rely on a prior analysis of the hard disk access because the game binaries will stored in different places on the hard disk for each user ... and also even for bluray games the games are subsequently patched with patches stored on the hard drive - meaning a given bluray disk location may not even be accessed after patching ?. So this seems like a lot of work for someone to maintain when you could just patch the game!

I am all for trophies though, I like them mainly for a permanent memory of progress of games long finished.
 
#11
I expect that PS4 will have trophies for all new games as standard it was only initial PS3 games that didnt have them, it was added as PS3 feature after launch. So I would assume its for PS3 games.

MGS4 trophies incoming ?(I wish)

However it seems there issues with this alternative approach. e.g for a digital download you can analyze the hard disk access because the game binaries will stored in different places for each user, and also even for blurays the games are patched meaning a given disk location may not be accessed after patching ?.

I am all for trophies though, I like them mainly for a permanent memory of progress of games long finished.
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#12
I wonder if we'd just end up getting generic trophy icons. I don't want those. Part of the fun of getting trophies is seeing the icon/artwork associated with them.
 
#15
This is just a patent. It means next to nothing. Companies file patents for all manner of things near constantly. It's a cool idea but that's all it is, an idea.
Browsing patents (and applications) imo is the easiest way, for the average joe (like me), to get into the minds of companies and their research teams.

It doesn't matter if it will never materialize.

Just the fact that they've looked into it and we have -free- access to it, is cool enough for me.
 
#18
I wonder if we'd just end up getting generic trophy icons. I don't want those.
This method will take a lot of work for each game to set up the triggers, probably a lot more work than putting trophies in a regular game with source access. I'd only expect this to only happen on a few chosen games; if they're going through the trouble to identify disk access patterns, they're probably going to put in unique trophy art.
 
#20
You know, this thread would have a lot more views if the title mentioned "possible trophy support for old titles." I only found it because I was looking for it :p

But yeah, reading through their patent, it can be done by analysing patterns (I had assumed RAM monitoring, but they appear to be developing their own tech) and assigning a title ID to a unique set of patterns and trophy IDs to other patterns after the title has been identified.


MGS4 trophies incoming ?(I wish)
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#21
You know, this thread would have a lot more views if the title mentioned "possible trophy support for old titles." I only found it because I was looking for it :p
You are right. Title is kinda stupid.

I changed it (still weird imo) but obviously that doesn't change the thread..emm..title.

Maybe a mod can jump in.

Anyways EN not my 1st language - titles can get tricky at times :p
 
#22
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Outcome:


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Dude I'm dying over here.

Hopefully this means they can finally fix the mistakes that lots of lazy devs made with pre-mandatory trophies :\ I know a lot of people don't care about them but it's another selling point for a game if it has fun trophies/achievements, in my opinion. Pre-mandatory trophies lots of games didn't even get them, because of budgeting or whatever.
 

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#43
This seems like it might be as much work to analyze disk access for "trophy worthy" patterns as it would be to just patch the actual game. But I guess it would be good for those games that simply can't be patched like PS1/PS2 on-disc games.