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Sony Unfazed by Xbox One Price Cut, Suggests PS4 has 2:1 advantage

Remember kids, Sony's job is to profit as much as it can from any situations. There are examples in which they've done actions that seem "kind" towards consumers, but those were means to an end, means to get more profit.

What Microsoft is doing now is not for the benefit of consumers, it's for their own benefit, otherwise they will lose relevancy in this console war and that will cost them more further down the line.

It's not a matter of one company being better than the other, they're simply doing the best they can to make money, and as much of it as possible.
 
crazyprac said:
Xbox isn't some Wii U console. It plays all multi plats almost identically and have compelling exclusives. Plus kinect and multimedia functions. It still maintains a strong core audience that having 5:1 this really is absurd. Down the road that might change but unlikely IMO.
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"Almost identically" is up to interpretation and Kinect has basically been dumped by MS. Not saying the system isn't worth having, just saying that following the botched reveal and always online fiasco, combined with how it's perceived in my circle, I'm surprised it's as close as 2:1.
 
sense said:
According to Layden, the PS4 is dominating the Xbox One in terms of units sold-through to consumers. Asked if it would be accurate to say Sony has a 2:1 advantage over Xbox One in terms of units sold, the executive replied: "The math seems to look like that."
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Quote and thread title don't match.

'Outselling by 2:1' implies sales in recent past (since pricedrop) are 2x.
'2:1 advantage in terms of units sold' implies sales since launch are 2x.
 
$329 for a current gen console and games included is a steal. If I could I'd get an XBO for myself during Black Friday. I'll have to wait for next year when I'm done with university and finally back at work.
 
soulassssns said:
Because it is an open forum? I expressed my opinion......Should only pro Sony posts be made in here?
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where did i say that only pro sony posts need to be made? what i said is why would you reply in a thread about what sony is stating with their sales figures with "i don't care about what they say about their sales figures?" because you cared enough to post that you don't care, but are bothered if someone asks you why you bothered to post that in the first place?
 
Tidus_Great said:
still alot more fun than any exclusive sony offers this holiday season.

Sony does have the advantage of superior multiplats though which is basically the reason it's going to be the hardcore console of choice for the time being. But ps4 is a joke exclusive wise compared to what ps2 was its first year.
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I don't think personal taste define which sell more.
 
Wynnebeck said:
So Sony is acknowledging that they are going to get blown out in November and December in NA. About time.
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asked if he feels any pressure from Microsoft's recent Xbox One price cut, Layden told GamesBeat: "No, not at all. It's going to be a very competitive holiday season. Everyone's going to move their numbers the best way they can. We're going to be fully engaged in that battle."

yes you clearly read the article /s ... is this like a shtick character you play on the internet? cheering against sony in every thread? You didn't even read the OP or have any concept of the theme of it.
 
Syrus said:
It will be more glorious if it doesnt
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how so? are you preparing a victory celebration should X1 take november?

Miles Quaritch said:
Why would it be glorious?

Isn't everyone pretty much expecting it? Or are people creating a false narrative that the X1 will sell better so they can pretend the X1 fortunes are much worse than everyone initially thought?
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well i for one would not be surprised if X1 wins. they've had some great deals over the past couple of months.
 
orochi91 said:
This comes off as preemptive damage control.

Big take away here is likely XB1 outselling PS4 in November so far.
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See, I didn't think until a few days ago that it would be possible that the PS4 "could" win November (due to price cut, free games and admitedly a pretty solid fall exclusive lineup). I thought for sure that the XB1 was going to take the cake, even if only by around 100-200k.
But the early November momentum of the XB1 has kept on slowing down...

MS started November (post price cut) on Amazon with 2 bundles ahead of the $399 PS4, and 3 more SKUs ahead of the Destiny PS4 bundle at $449. We were looking at a 2:1 differential, minimum.

Then last week, on the November Amazon sales chart, they were only having 1 bundle (the best deal by far, XB1+ACU+AC4 for $349) ahead of the $399 PS4, and 2 SKUs ahead of the Destiny Bundle.

Right now, on the Hourly (which is only indicative of short term trends admitedly), since today, the PS4 is now back ahead of the $349 ACU XB1 bundle, and the Destiny PS4 bundle follows in rankings.
http://www.amazon.com/best-sellers-video-games/zgbs/videogames/ref=sv_vg_12

This is a whole week before Black Friday.

Now about this, yes, on BF, The XB1 will have the lowest price of the two. There's no arguing that.

But in essence, the BF XB1 deal is -just- a $20 off from the rest of the month. It -is- possible that the interested buyers have already made their purchase for the Holiday.

Now imagine all the people who want a PS4 but have been waiting on a deal... This Black Friday will be the first time -ever- the PS4 will have been having a serious deal (I won't even count the $10 off on Destiny bundle as a deal). That's two arguably GOAT worthy games included for free, a saving of around $100.
The XB1 will sell well, sure. But I think the PS4 will be tested in seeing just how many people were holding off on waiting for a deal -any deal- before buying into it.

Still have a heard time believing the XB1 could not win November (I think December will be much harder for MS), but it does not seem that far fetched anymore to me...
 
I dont like their attitude...they are becoming arrogant again!
Step up the game Sony, especially in the USA.
 
thewhitehawk said:
Remember kids, Sony's job is to profit as much as it can from any situations. There are examples in which they've done actions that seem "kind" towards consumers, but those were means to an end, means to get more profit.

What Microsoft is doing now is not for the benefit of consumers, it's for their own benefit, otherwise they will lose relevancy in this console war and that will cost them more further down the line.

It's not a matter of one company being better than the other, they're simply doing the best they can to make money, and as much of it as possible.
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Does it really matter what the intentions of are of these companies? All they are trying to do is capture your purchasing power and your loyalty. If either sony or microsft didn't have each other as competition the gaming landscape would be very different. It's because they have to work so hard to capture market share that the consumer benefits.
 
AstuteClass said:
I'd be interested in seeing that post!
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Here you go.

Y2Kev said:
cyberheater said:
Why would you want that. Surely sales parity is better for the consumer?
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No, it's not. I don't understand where this is coming from.

Competitive platforms are good for the consumer. Sales parity is completely irrelevant to the consumer. In fact, if one platform lags behind the other, it is because the consumer has decided that one platform is not actually good for them. That is how it works. The dog wags the tail.

This "competition is good" thing has grown completely into a monster. Competition is the means by which a lessor is weeded out. If a platform is weaker, it should lose. That is competition. This whole "parity is good for the consumer"/"two platforms selling well is good for the consumer" sentiment is bizarre.

What you are espousing is not capitalism or competition but instead crony capitalism in which market competitors are propped up for the sake of having market competitors.
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Y2Kev said:
UNCMark said:
Perhaps you missed the cola wars, the fast food wars, the beer wars.
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I didn't. Perhaps YOU did. None of those competitors were on "even footing" when it came to sales. They still aren't. Unless you think coke at 48b in sales is on even footing with PepsiCo at 16b.

Sales parity is IRRELEVANT to the consumer. Sales differential is the RESULT of competition.

Competition results in a winner and a loser. It's not best for the consumer to have everyone on even footing "just because that's best for the consumer." You won't find evidence of this in history; you are depicting controlled markets and zombie corporations.

Here's how it should work: two systems took different paths to the market. That is true. The market will validate them both independently. Someone might lose and it's going to suck for some Internet group.

People are confusing the outcome of competition with the benefits of competition, which is where this silliness over sales comes in.
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borghe said:
Just after 2.0 released, and giving a bundle with two of the best games so far of this (and last) gen.. Of course they're not matching MS' level of bat shit insane deals.. but if they are still outselling them with the software and deals they are offering, then why do they need to?
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They don't need to which is the point, there is no pressure on their end. If there was pressure they might respond with better deals and speed up their slow as molasses update schedule and offer more features.

aka good for consumers

I'm addressing the competition question, not consolewarz crap. I only own a PS4/WiiU this gen
 
Kagoshima_Luke said:
"Almost identically" is up to interpretation and Kinect has basically been dumped by MS. Not saying the system isn't worth having, just saying that following the botched reveal and always online fiasco, combined with how it's perceived in my circle, I'm surprised it's as close as 2:1.
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I agree that they botched it with their DRM crap and leaving kinect dry is depressing (its actually quite useful when having parties), but the difference between the two right now graphically/gameplay isn't so huge in the grandview of things. Its not a generation leap that everyone will say omg Xbox has ugly games. I think the Xbox brand is still a strong brand that people will buy it because that's what they grew up with playing with their friends or because they are biased towards it. I will say that it will sell dramatically less compared to ps4 after their strong showing last generation because yes its weaker and down the road word of mouth will affect its sales more directly and negatively.
 
Tidus_Great said:
true, i guess we will wait and see which sells more then huh? xbone with MCC has a very good chance of winning at least in NA.
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Could be. But it's just a month. I don't see nothing of extraordinary. But I wouldn't be surprise if ps4 will win again. I almost sure this generation MS can just hope but overtake ps4 eh.
 
Phoenician_Viking said:
I am so tired of competition is good saying here. Some people here say it without understanding what competition entails.
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People I've seen evoking the maxim usually say it in response to others suggesting that Microsoft should bow out of the gaming industry. Or that Xbox one deserves to get low or no sales
 
omonimo said:
Could be. But it's just a month. I don't see nothing of extraordinary. But I wouldn't be surprise if ps4 will win again. I almost sure this generation MS can just hope but overtake ps4 eh.
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Even if Microsoft manages to win one month of NPDs in November, in the overall worldwide picture, they still sell far less than the PS4. People are just putting way too much stock on NPDs.
 
Freedom = $1.05 said:
where did i say that only pro sony posts need to be made? what i said is why would you reply in a thread about what sony is stating with their sales figures with "i don't care about what they say about their sales figures?" because you cared enough to post that you don't care, but are bothered if someone asks you why you bothered to post that in the first place?
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LOL that sentence.

I did not say you did but the way you replied to mine made it seem like it. Understand now?
 
ISOM said:
Does it really matter what the intentions of are of these companies? All they are trying to do is capture your purchasing power and your loyalty. If either sony or microsft didn't have each other as competition the gaming landscape would be very different. It's because they have to work so hard to capture market share that the consumer benefits.
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I think that if the gaming landscape had one less player, be it Sony or Microsoft, smaller companies/publisher would take further risks and bet on more niche games like they used to during the PS1/PS2 generations and like they do in the portable market with Nintendo's consoles.

Having healthy competition is good for the consumer to some extent, when it comes to hardware pricing at least, but it doesn't mean it's good for consumers in terms of what type of software they gain in my opinion.

If Microsoft dropped out of the console race, which I immensely doubt, I don't think it would be very detrimental for consumers, because in all gaming markets dominated mostly by a single console, it never was.
 
damn, I can feel the arrogance from here
 
thewhitehawk said:
I think that if the gaming landscape had one less player, be it Sony or Microsoft, smaller companies/publisher would take further risks and bet on more niche games like they used to during the PS1/PS2 generations and like they do in the portable market with Nintendo's consoles.

Having healthy competition is good for the consumer to some extent, when it comes to hardware pricing at least, but it doesn't mean it's good for consumers in terms of what type of software they gain in my opinion.

If Microsoft dropped out of the console race, which I immensely doubt, I don't think it would be very detrimental for consumers, because in all gaming markets dominated mostly by a single console, it never was.
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If Microsoft dropped out of the console space and focused exclusively on PC, my dreams would be realized. I'm tired of buying a console for a handful of games.
 
Trey said:
If Microsoft dropped out of the console space and focused exclusively on PC, my dreams would be realized. I'm tired of buying a console for a handful of games.
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Another advantage for consumers would be that games would be much more polished, given that they'd only need to focus on two (or four) platforms instead of 5 like most cross-gen games are, and are exhibiting numerous bugs and performance issues across all of them, like AC: Unity, Dragon Age Inquisition, Watch Dogs, etc.
 
joecanada said:
asked if he feels any pressure from Microsoft's recent Xbox One price cut, Layden told GamesBeat: "No, not at all. It's going to be a very competitive holiday season. Everyone's going to move their numbers the best way they can. We're going to be fully engaged in that battle."

yes you clearly read the article /s ... is this like a shtick character you play on the internet? cheering against sony in every thread? You didn't even read the OP or have any concept of the theme of it.
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Would you say you are mad?
 
Phoenician_Viking said:
I am so tired of competition is good saying here. Some people here say it without understanding what competition entails.
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Competition breeds innovation; are you saying this is not true?

I don't give a shit about sales parity or who is how far ahead. I do wish as a gamer that PS/XB/Nintendo don't bow out, as I love having a choice. This means that I hope they get enough sales to survive.

People who enjoy a multi-console atmosphere are mocked here for wanting XB1 and WiiU to get enough sales to stay in the market; why is such as bad thing?

PS4 is the clear leader (as it should be), and hopefully Nintendo and Microsoft will learn from why PS4 has done so well and will use that to make better choices on their next hardware.
 
crazyprac said:
I agree that they botched it with their DRM crap and leaving kinect dry is depressing (its actually quite useful when having parties), but the difference between the two right now graphically/gameplay isn't so huge in the grandview of things. Its not a generation leap that everyone will say omg Xbox has ugly games. I think the Xbox brand is still a strong brand that people will buy it because that's what they grew up with playing with their friends or because they are biased towards it. I will say that it will sell dramatically less compared to ps4 after their strong showing last generation because yes its weaker and down the road word of mouth will affect its sales more directly and negatively.
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I don't know a single person who "grew up" on the OG Xbox. 90% of my friends did get an Xbox 360 since the PS3 was just too expensive but all of them got the PS3 eventually and are now playing on PS4.

Xbox just isn't that big of a brand in Germany and most of Europe. But it does get better. Retailers are desperately trying to sell the Xbox One and the exclusives are great.
 
I'm pretty amazed that it's "only" 2:1. Xbone is not doing too hot in Europe and Japan, and has never won in the US so far.

(if they win November it would be by the slightest of margins I reckon)

Are we sure that 7 million stat is sold through and not sold in?
 
impossible (the few years part). Unless the tides turn this holiday, the status quo has been determined. Never in the history of consoles has the status quo turned around mid-generation.
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I really think that the status quo hasn't been set in stone here in America yet and people are underestimating the number of persons who just haven't switched over to Xbox One Just in my family alone we have 5 360s and no one has upgraded yet. I also think in NA Sony just can't match MS. I do think this holiday is pivotal, but that MS doesn't need a win just to be close. Now if they get trounced I'd be worried.
 
spekkeh said:
I'm pretty amazed that it's "only" 2:1. Xbone is not doing too hot in Europe and Japan, and has never won in the US so far.

(if they win November it would be by the slightest of margins I reckon)

Are we sure that 7 million stat is sold through and not sold in?
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Remember that MS usually floods the channels every holiday season with inventory.I don't know how you go from 6-7 million sold through to customers to 10 in a month. Obviously that is shipped numbers, but how much of that gets sold through this holiday season will be interesting. Trying to sell more in 2 months than you have all year just doesn't seem likely. It'll probably be another situation like earlier this year where after the holidays they don't ship much of anything to retailers as they try to clear out the holiday inventory built up.
 
Xer0 said:
There have been a few months where we were all sure MS was gonna be on top. Titanfall month. Price cut / Kinectless month.

Like, there's no way MS doesn't come out on top for November.

...right?
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Well, Titanfall just didn't have the effect some thought, but I think it still met the expectations of MS and IW honestly.. it just wasn't going to be a huge console seller.. it was new IP.. and primarily an PVP FPS that was all online.

Yet the price of the console even without Kinect didn't equal the value of a PS4... which was still the more powerful console. Matching it in price wasn't enough.

If the Xbone was $349 with 2 games back when I got my PS4.. I would have bought the Xbone over the $399 PS4.

thewhitehawk said:
Another advantage for consumers would be that games would be much more polished, given that they'd only need to focus on two (or four) platforms instead of 5 like most cross-gen games are, and are exhibiting numerous bugs and performance issues across all of them, like AC: Unity, Dragon Age Inquisition, Watch Dogs, etc.
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Really doubt that would have any effect on polish.
 
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