• Hey Guest. Check out your NeoGAF Wrapped 2025 results here!

Sony's Harrison Doubts Xbox 360 Sales Goals

New big hits always turn up. You just have to be lucky/smart enough to have them on your console. There was no 3D GTA or Halo before this gen, there was no Goldeneye, Tomb Raider, Gran Turismo (this gen goes on thanks to Sony/3D) the gen before that, there was no Sonic before the Genesis and so on.

I have no idea what will be THE game to sell systems this time round, you can't until after it happens, but I'll happily bet it'll be neither Halo 3 nor GTA4.
 
I don't think MS will sell 10m by January 1st either, but I'm confident they'll ship that many as I'm betting they want to overload stores with 360's this holiday. The problem is that the console is dead in Japan, and I think a few folks have said sales have been slow in Europe despite plentiful supply, so the US has to pick up a lot of slack.

I think January 1st we'll see 7m worldwide for the 360, 4m for the PS3 and 2m for the Wii. 2007 will be a ridiculously crucial year.
 
Peter Moore responds directly to Phil Harrison. It's on like Donkey Kong...


http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=12681

In a separate BBC interview, Peter Moore then responded to Harrison's comments with the following retort: "I'll throw back at him that I doubt he can deliver six million units from November to March. I don't think it is going to happen. The question you have is 'will they be able to meet supply the demand'? We have learnt that driving demand is fine if you have huge amounts of supply to meet that. It is not easy to do."
Click to expand...

:lol


Boy this is starting to get entertaining and extremely immature. I won't be satisfied until they throw down.
 
RamzaIsCool said:
Say what? They won the PS2 generation with those two things.
Click to expand...

I've had two ... people... ask for a preorder knowing full well the price.

$1000 video game system future baby.
 
who gives a fuck what Harrison thinks.

"Are you ready? Watch this really carefully. Wow! Look! I'm controlling the game by moving the controller in the air...whhooaa. What an innovation"

Fuck off cock-polisher
 
MrSardonic said:
who gives a fuck what Harrison thinks.

"Are you ready? Watch this really carefully. Wow! Look! I'm controlling the game by moving the controller in the air...whhooaa. What an innovation"
Click to expand...

The crickets in the audience was a nice touch, though.
 
Kurosaki Ichigo said:
And how many wiis? 60? :D (hidden message yes)
Click to expand...

Actually, we had about 3 people asking for Wii, now that I think about it.

I think I've turned away 3-5 people with the PS3 pricing.
 
Fleming said:
"We have a great brand and fantastically loyal consumers."

250px-Flock_of_sheep.jpg



:)
Click to expand...

All those sheep will have to be killed in order to buy a PS3. Twice over.
Sony fanbase am dead.



(Nice NZ sheep those, can always tell. :) )
 
I remember one guy who was pretty much on the fence for all three said that he'd look into an Xbox 360 after I was done explaining things. He said something to the effect of, "Well you can get the Nintendo and 360 for that price."

Wii60 indeed.
 
AniHawk said:
I think I've turned away 3-5 people with the PS3 pricing.
Click to expand...

WTF :)

You're worse then the guy that works in the "Sony Store" near me. I went in looking at the teles and made a comment about 1080p, he (Sony employee) goes off on one about 1080p practically not existing, and that all bluray films will be at 720p and when 1080p finally does come out in about 3 years they will just upscale the picture. A bitter Sony employee!
 
This is getting vicious now Kaz Hirai is mocking the Xbox 360 manufacturing process...

Elsewhere in the interview, Hirai pronounced himself confident that Sony would be able to meet the launch numbers it has announced of 2 million PS3s available at November 2006 launch, and 4 million by the end of the year. He gave a not so subtle dig to Microsoft's launch chip yield issues by commenting: "Most of the PlayStation 3's core components are manufactured in-house. The decision to give the go order comes when we're getting good yields... we're not at the mercy of someone else."
Click to expand...

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=9271

Who needs message board fanboys when you've got these guys? :D
 
travisbickle said:
WTF :)

You're worse then the guy that works in the "Sony Store" near me. I went in looking at the teles and made a comment about 1080p, he (Sony employee) goes off on one about 1080p practically not existing, and that all bluray films will be at 720p and when 1080p finally does come out in about 3 years they will just upscale the picture. A Sony employee!
Click to expand...

Hang on. I didn't turn them away because of any personal vendetta. I just ask if they know the price already. If they don't, I explain things, and go on from that reaction (which was mostly WHAT THE FUCK).
 
My Arms Your Hearse said:
Gran Turismo 3 and Vice City...

He shoulnd't have said that though.

3 of the top 5 best selling games (2-4) were GTA cames, with 1 being GT3 and 5 being FFX... they're still going to be important
Click to expand...

Wow, I'm not really a sales kind of guy, but I just went to wikipedia to get a rough idea of top selling PS2 games. GT4 sold less than half what GT3 did, MGS3 sold about half what MGS2 did.

As these are Sony's big guns, I wonder if this shows less interest in the franchise as a whole, or just the fact that they were sequels. For comparison, GTA has pretty much sold more each time, at least it will if SA picks up another hundred thousand or so.

Also FIFA outsold PES, which shows that taste of your average PS2 gamer :(
 
Bud said:
Instead of making fun of the price he talks about shipments......?
Click to expand...
I know, what an idiot. Peter Moore could really use some help from Shane Kim in this fight.

I don't know, maybe Moore got tired of going after the price in all his interviews and just decided to throw something else out there.
 
RamzaIsCool said:
Say what? They won the PS2 generation with those two things.
Click to expand...

My ass they did. They did because of the huge software support they had, not because of brand loyalty.

Trust me, if the PS2 tanked on games like the GC did and the GC got all the games - people would have been jumping ship big time.
 
Shmmeee said:
Wow, I'm not really a sales kind of guy, but I just went to wikipedia to get a rough idea of top selling PS2 games. GT4 sold less than half what GT3 did, MGS3 sold about half what MGS2 did.
Click to expand...
I think you can see how earlier in the gen, many bigger franchise games tend to sell better than their later follow-ups because there's simply less to get excited about (i.e. less big game competition). People are always willing to give games more of a chance in the early (first year or two) going because they partly want to justify their purchases and that those earlier games are also what probably drove them to buy the system in the first place.
 
there was no Sonic before the Genesis and so on.
Click to expand...

Didn't I have sonic on the master system? O.o Didn't that come out before genesis? :-/ You've put a really wierd confusion in my life. o.o
 
Hearing Sony say their fanbase is loyal to them is kinda like when you hear a guy tell you his girlfriend is completely faithful to him, and then seeing her out at a bar the next night making out with someone else. :lol

Especailly in North America, I don't think people are as loyal as Sony thinks.

The XBox brand is "cool" in North America, it's not like you hang your head in shame if you have an XBox instead of a Playstation.

It's a non-issue ... both Playstation and XBox are considered "cool" by teens/young adults in North America.
 
Sony can't even manage to get their blu-ray player out yet, I'm highly suspicious that they'll be able to manufacture 6 million of those before March..
Toshiba right now can't manufacture hd-dvd drives in quantity at all. We will see though.
 
man if Sony is thinking like that they are in for a nasty surprise in the states, I think MS has huge change to win in US huge.
 
I guess both are right with the statement "you wont make it in time", i mean i have no clue about production facilitys and their output capacity but if Sony wants to ship 2 Million units on launch they have to build over 300000 Units per month thats around 11000 units per day and if they want to realize 6 Million units till march 2007 they have to increase the output up to 600000 units per month around 22000 units per day, starting in june with the production of course.
 
Elsewhere in the interview, Hirai pronounced himself confident that Sony would be able to meet the launch numbers it has announced of 2 million PS3s available at November 2006 launch, and 4 million by the end of the year. He gave a not so subtle dig to Microsoft's launch chip yield issues by commenting: "Most of the PlayStation 3's core components are manufactured in-house. The decision to give the go order comes when we're getting good yields... we're not at the mercy of someone else."
Click to expand...

most of the ps2's core components were manufactured in-house too but they could only launched the system in japan with half the number of units they were shooting for before. imho a number somewhere between %50 - %75 of that 6 mil target is most likely what sony will achieve. also according to takahashi, the biggest reason behind ms's shortage problem was the faulty memory chips, last time i checked ps3's memory chips weren't manufactured in-house by sony (somebody correct me if i'm wrong).
 
Ronok said:
Didn't I have sonic on the master system? O.o Didn't that come out before genesis? :-/ You've put a really wierd confusion in my life. o.o
Click to expand...

Sonic first appeared on the Genesis/Mega Drive (16bit) on June 23rd, 1991. Then Sega decided for some unkown reason to port it to the Master System/Game Gear (8bit) and that was released in December, 1991. Freaky eh? Well I think thats what happened...
 
Sony really sound extremely arrogant right now. They shoulda learned from Nintendo of 90's, loyalty don't mean shit in this business. A gamers loyalty is for sale each generation.
 
DenogginizerOS said:
:lol
Click to expand...

PhatSaqs said:
Man this coffee is strong as shit. I thought my eyes were fuckin with me for a minute :lol
Click to expand...

Sorry I'm feeling extremely goofy this morning... its Friday, its payday... and I'm in Orlando, FL from Monday-Thursday next week for a wireless conference...
 
And the trolling continues...

GTA isn't going to be as important as it was last generation. Its multiplatform from release and will have a slew of copy cats, some of which could end up actually being better games. Sorry, that reduces the series' effects on the console wars. Phil isn't saying its a lesser game, or that it wont' sell buckets, just that its effects on the console wars will be drastically reduced. Now its like Madden, hugely lucrative but not a major player in what console reigns supreme.

And why wouldn't he doubt MS? All last generation MS consistantly missed their forcasted numbers. They haven't proven themselves capable of meeting though hardware demands to date, until they do its an extremely valid view to be cinical towards their goals.

Will the PS3 have the 6M that Sony promises for this time next year? I guess that really depends on how much production they can get done this summer. They need to get the launch units secured quickly, and if they run into any manufacturing problems it could be a real issue. But if the 65nm process can be up and running in several plants before launch that'd be a big boost too. 6M very feasable, but as always issues can arise.
 
Drek said:
And why wouldn't he doubt MS?
Click to expand...

Because he is supposedly a smart man, and a smart man would not doubt MS with the pruduction capability they have right now. The system is selling very well and has a strong selection of games for the average consumer. If he doubts it for real, then he is naive. But why is a man who at GDC says he doesn't comment on the business/hardware stuff (only software development) now suddenly commenting on business/hardware stuff?
 
I was going to make a new thread, but I guess it should go here.

There is also an audio of about a 15 minute interview with Hiari on that page, but I only got about 4 minutes of it to play before it timed out....

Sony Will Take Lead With PlayStation 3, U.S. Game Chief Says



May 11 (Bloomberg) -- Sony Corp., the world's largest maker of video-game players, will take the lead in game consoles with its PlayStation 3, U.S. game chief Kazuo Hirai said.

``We are going to take the leadership position in this next generation as we have done with PlayStation and PlayStation 2,'' Hirai, chief executive officer of Sony Computer Entertainment America, said in an interview yesterday at the Electronic Entertainment Expo in Los Angeles.

Sony is giving Microsoft Corp.'s Xbox 360 almost a year's head start. Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates this week said he plans to sell 10 million Xbox 360s before Sony begins selling the PS3 in November. Sony, based in Tokyo, will deliver 6 million PS3 units to the U.S., Europe and Asia by March 31, 2007, Hirai said.

``We are very confident to keep the market share that we've established for ourselves over the past 12 years,'' Hirai said. ``It really comes down to the software at the end of the day and what consumers find entertaining.''

Sony, the second-largest maker of consumer electronics, has sold more than 103 million PlayStation 2s since March 2000. The company had 64 percent of the market for that generation of consoles, Merrill Lynch & Co.'s Kash Rangan said in a May 2 note. Microsoft, the world's biggest software company, garnered 16 percent and Nintendo Co. had 13 percent.

Shares of Sony fell 90 yen to 5,450 yen in Tokyo today. They have gained 13 percent this year. Redmond, Washington-based Microsoft fell 44 cents to $23.33 at 12:32 p.m. in Nasdaq Stock Market composite trading.

Sony plans to charge $499 in the U.S. for a 20-gigabyte PS3 model and $599 for 60 gigabytes. Sony is speaking with its retailing partners to determine how many to make of each model, Hirai said. The Xbox 360 sells for as much as $399.

``It's going to be tough to make money just on the hardware alone,'' initially, Hirai said. The company intends to make a profit on the console during the life of the product, he said.

Sony on March 15 delayed the global release of the PS3 from a targeted debut in ``spring,'' because of a holdup in copy protection standards for Blu-ray, a high-definition DVD format that can store at least five times more data than standard DVDs.
 
PS3 memory is made by Samsung, its XDR methinks, there is a thread about it here. But from what I've heard, Sony and Samsun co-operate on alot of manufacturing, producing each other's TVs, something along those lines.

Peter Moore can't take a shit without mentioning the PS3, the interview with Edge was hilarious as he spent more time talking about the PS3 than the 360.
 
One nice thing about this pissing match is we can all look back early next year and know how things played out. Then we get the rounds of "I told you so" vs "you got schooled". Should be good times.

If MS hits 10m by the time Sony launches, that's awesome.

If Sony hits 6m by March, that's amazing.

I think both are pretty unlikely. I'll go out on a limb and say MS's target is more likely, since they've largely resolved their component shortages and have all three plants up and running. I don't think they'd make that claim if they could not deliver, at this point. Sony has way more unknowns right now and missed their similar targets for the PS2. (Not that it hurt them in the long haul.)
 
GTA will still be HUGE, but this gen you'll see a lot of decent GTA inspired games thanks to the more powerful hardware, and those games will impact GTA's sales

imo, of course
 
Drek said:
And the trolling continues...

GTA isn't going to be as important as it was last generation. Its multiplatform from release and will have a slew of copy cats, some of which could end up actually being better games. Sorry, that reduces the series' effects on the console wars. Phil isn't saying its a lesser game, or that it wont' sell buckets, just that its effects on the console wars will be drastically reduced. Now its like Madden, hugely lucrative but not a major player in what console reigns supreme.
Click to expand...

That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. It's not that it won't have as much an effect on the console wars, it's that it won't sway someone one way or the other. Negating an effect doesn't mean the effect doesn't exist, just that it was accomadated for.
 
So this guy still has a job after screwing E3 this bad. WOW and keep dreaming about M$ not reaching their sale numbers you fucked this E3 up so bad the fans are promoting Wii60 Mr. Harrison soon to be janitor.
 
Syb said:
Sonic first appeared on the Genesis/Mega Drive (16bit) on June 23rd, 1991. Then Sega decided for some unkown reason to port it to the Master System/Game Gear (8bit) and that was released in December, 1991. Freaky eh? Well I think thats what happened...
Click to expand...

lets be nice tot he game gear port. that thing was my lifeline on man road trips at a young age. (until the batteries died)
 
The playstation line has not been sucessfull because of Sony fanboys. It has been sucessfull because of great technology at a competitive price combined with tons of exclusive games. All that is out the window now with PS3d0. This 200 dollar price difference that is likely to remain for the majority of the generation is completely INSANE given that the games look exactly the same on both consoles.
 
Son of Godzilla said:
That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. It's not that it won't have as much an effect on the console wars, it's that it won't sway someone one way or the other. Negating an effect doesn't mean the effect doesn't exist, just that it was accomadated for.
Click to expand...

Why should it swade one person or another? If you're already looking forward to Halo 3 and Gears of War, you're going to get a 360. If you're looking forward to MGS4 and say, Tekken 6, you're going to get a PS3. If you're looking forward to GTA, you're going to get the system with the MOST # of games you want to play. That's it in a nutshell. Because it's multiplatform, it's not going to matter which of the 2 consoles you get. Only, which one has the most # of games you want to play.
 
gamergirly said:
Why should it swade one person or another? If you're already looking forward to Halo 3 and Gears of War, you're going to get a 360. If you're looking forward to MGS4 and say, Tekken 6, you're going to get a PS3. If you're looking forward to GTA, you're going to get the system with the MOST # of games you want to play. That's it in a nutshell. Because it's multiplatform, it's not going to matter which of the 2 consoles you get. Only, which one has the most # of games you want to play.
Click to expand...
Yup, it just removes one of the BIG hardware drivers for Sony last gen. It's a more level playing field. I think 1st party games will be even more important this gen than last in differentiating the platforms.
 
gamergirly said:
Why should it swade one person or another? If you're already looking forward to Halo 3 and Gears of War, you're going to get a 360. If you're looking forward to MGS4 and say, Tekken 6, you're going to get a PS3. If you're looking forward to GTA, you're going to get the system with the MOST # of games you want to play. That's it in a nutshell. Because it's multiplatform, it's not going to matter which of the 2 consoles you get. Only, which one has the most # of games you want to play.
Click to expand...
I agree, but with a huge disparity in price things start to favor the less expensive side of things for the masses.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

PS5 Outsells Xbox 360 Lifetime Sales
News Business Sales-Age  2 3
131
3K
Artistic replied
Your 2026 Gaming Goals
2 3
138
2K
yogaflame replied
NateDrake: This has been their goal for over a year. MS BC team has wanted to bring and make your OG Xbox and Xbox 360 digital library playable on PC
Rumor  2
60
740
Cyberpunkd replied
RexGlue Xbox 360 recomps; a new way to recomp 360 games...kind of
5
602
IbizaPocholo replied
[WC] Microsoft and Xbox are "actively investigating" a rampant 'can't connect' issue for backwards compatible Xbox 360 games
2
58
549
Tobimacoss replied
Top Bottom