I ask again. Psvita testkits have hdmi output (same console than retail with extra outputs). It's an hybrid?
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Speculation based on trademark minutia: Nintendo NX to use cartridges
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I ask again. Psvita testkits have hdmi output (same console than retail with extra outputs). It's an hybrid?
Theanine3D
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I expect Nintendo to do something similar to what they did in Zelda Oracle of Ages/Seasons. The game ran on a GameBoy Color, but if you ran it on a GBA, a special in-game store opened up with GBA exclusive items.
In other words, their first-party games will run on both portable and console, but playing it on either will unlock additional, exclusive features that are only available on that specific device.
This way, no one is left out from playing the game outright, but if you DO buy both devices, you are rewarded for it.
//DEVIL//
Member
lol. its not happening unless the NX is a 3DS evolved lol or use both Cartridges and BR.
manufacture cost alone will spike the games to at least 80$ per game for end user. i don't see that happening. plus opening the chances for piracy etc.
I for one welcome it, would love it too, but I don't think its happening.
manufacture cost alone will spike the games to at least 80$ per game for end user. i don't see that happening. plus opening the chances for piracy etc.
I for one welcome it, would love it too, but I don't think its happening.
Interceptor
Banned
I cant buy those testkits. The testkit would be a hybrid. Vita TV is not. You were asking about Vita TV.
iPhone and iPad are no hybrids. They are different products with a shared architecture.
These days disc drives aren't the culprit for any of that.
:Motorbass
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This would be a cool feature for the console (without the buttons of course)
It was an example. I want to know what concept of hybrid the people has.
So a handheld with a tv output is a hybrid and that this kind of option appears to be crazy and ruled out by Nintendo.
Bayonetta 1 & 2 didn't even fit on the Wii U internal memory.
I can get behind this, but not my wallet ;-)
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
I think cartridges will work just fine especially since flash memory has become small and cheap, while increasing in capacity.
Better yet, I believe it'll be more like they can fit in the controller as well if needed on the go.
Better yet, I believe it'll be more like they can fit in the controller as well if needed on the go.
Interceptor
Banned
Whats so difficult about the word hybrid? It´s, in this context, a device that can be a handheld and a console in one device. The Vita was and is a powerhouse as a handheld, yet it would be a shitty home-console to compete at the modern market. Not even starting with the hassle to connect it to your tv everytime only to sync some controllers to it. You may get a good handheld, but a shitty homeconsole. Or vice versa.
I dont know if its crazy. But Nintendo is going the Apple TV, iPad, iOS way.
It´s not a hybrid. ^^
Edit: If you all want a hybrid, just ask Nintendo to implement a Chromecast option into the handheld. There, now you have a hybrid.
tkscz
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remember, solid state drives and flash drives are based on the same tech as carts (ssd are basically just carts) and they are up to terabytes storage wise.
Isn't Ever Oasis an unreleased game just announced for 3DS? Maybe they're thinking of doing also a Wii U version and the trademark reflects that.
I always thought NX could be a portable 720p (1080p I hope) system with Wii U power more or less and with ports to hook it up to a tv and current Wii/U accessories. It would use cartridges. It'd be interesting that way.
Our everything could just be speculation far removed from truth.
SatoAilDarko
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They're still individual games that are below 20 GB (but I think both are above 16 GB IIRC).
There are several Nintendo games that cross 16 GB but I just highlighted the biggest two.
SomedayTheFire
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this would be such a dumb idea lol
Refreshment.01
Member
This really doesn't confirm it. The other rumor made more sense i think, it was more solid. The trademark could just be covering possibilities.
i do think that cartridges can comeback even taught they still cant compete with optical in terms of cost per storage.
i do think that cartridges can comeback even taught they still cant compete with optical in terms of cost per storage.
:Motorbass
Member
why?
Aye, I wasn't disagreeing with you, I was just commenting on an absurd situation related to filesizes of Nintendo games.
They are separate games, but were sold together.
Interceptor
Banned
So you chose to believe in a mindset thats deeply rooted in the 80s/90s to have a cheap all in one device that somehow connects via cabels and base stations, probably with additional hardware power instead of a regular handheld thats (maybe) capable of streaming and a seperate home- console with a shared library and OS. One Frankenstein versus cheap alternatives that fit the demands of the customer each with access to the same appstore.
Ok.
I wonder why there is no hdmi out on my ipad. I dont believe apple not announcing it. I am also outraged at Nintendo not including female link.
I'd add "power consumption" a card reader consumes way less than an optical drive and Nintendo of late seems kinda obsessed with having a machine not power thirsty and maybe Nintendo won't underclock the cpu and the gpu.
Dark Cloud
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I think some people are confused what hybrid means.
This is not one system that does two things like stay at home to play on tv or take it on the go in your backpack to play. The rumor is it's multiple systems.
This is not one system that does two things like stay at home to play on tv or take it on the go in your backpack to play. The rumor is it's multiple systems.
Supermanisdead
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Nintendo can't afford anymore of these weird gimmicks. "Superior" or not, people are gonna look at it as dated and too left-field.
Interceptor
Banned
Thats not a rumor. Its an offical quote from the last ceo.
And having multiple systems is not a hybrid.
So the iPhone and the iPad are a hybrid device?
What you are describing is entirely in line with what Nintendo have said, and a logical strategy for them.
It's not a hybrid.
Dark Cloud
Member
I never said it was a hybrid. I said its multiple systems. I think I didn't explain it properly lol.
Lol I said its not a hybrid. I was explaining some people think the NX is a hybrid-two systems in one.
Even though Iwata has said he wants multiple systems with same OS, I have to be cautious to still call it a rumor for multiple systems because the NX hasn't been revealed, yet.
KratosEnergyDrink
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Virtual reality and 3D had come back several times in history
But cartridges would be really cool, modern cartridges have many, many advantages, Discs are clearly a historical relict by now.
Big Green Anus
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I really hope this rumor is true. Carts are so much superior than disc, especially when buying used.
You are misunderstanding me I think.
But it's clear, you believe in something, I believe other things. It's fine.
Simbabbad
Member
I play most of my 360 games from my USB card, and obviously the 3DS already works on cards. This obviously won't happen.
Wouldn't that decrease? Aren't 3DS cards more secure than disks you can read anywhere?
Funny how people behave like it's not the current situation already on 3DS.
Oh yes, they are. As soon as my Wii U doesn't have a disc in, it's perfectly silent.
Shpeshal Nick
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Well it's a hybrid. Of course it'll be cartridges.
Read speeds for Nintendo's game cards and other similar flash media are awful. I don't see this happening at all.
I'm not getting it guys.. What's the deal here ? Why are people talking about hybrid or carts for the home console ?
If anything, it tells us there will be a portable version of Zelda (which is in itself amazing), that will have a different media than the home console, which will use discs..
If anything, it tells us there will be a portable version of Zelda (which is in itself amazing), that will have a different media than the home console, which will use discs..
shark sandwich
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WTF? SD cards are like $12 for 32GB retail price. When you consider that Nintendo would be buying in bulk at wholesale prices, I'd be surprised if it comes out to more than a couple dollars more than a BD-ROM disc.
It would certainly make sense from a Nintendo point of view.
Lower power consumption, quiet, fewer moving parts, much smaller form factor, less internal storage space( as games will likely read straight from the card as opposed to being installed). Lower shipping costs, fewer materials needed, less packaging, takes up less shelf space in stores and in warehouses. Cheaper hardware for consumers.
The big risk will be in regards to bigger games which need bigger cards...as they'll either be more costly or need a fair bit of compression/lower quality assets to fit.
Lower power consumption, quiet, fewer moving parts, much smaller form factor, less internal storage space( as games will likely read straight from the card as opposed to being installed). Lower shipping costs, fewer materials needed, less packaging, takes up less shelf space in stores and in warehouses. Cheaper hardware for consumers.
The big risk will be in regards to bigger games which need bigger cards...as they'll either be more costly or need a fair bit of compression/lower quality assets to fit.
I guess that sucks for the Wii U, but uh more modern consoles install everything to the HDD, the disc never spins after that, so it's a non-event.
The Wii U version will use a disc. That's what people are assuming the disc means.
The carts are making people think that's what the NX will use, and given Nintendo's statements have people thinking that (if it has handheld and console versions) both would use the same format - cartridges.
But it could use a different format for each.
KratosEnergyDrink
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They don't even need real SD cards but cheaper ROM (Read-Only) cards.
But I am a bit curious how patches will work. Usually third party games have a several GB patches day one. If they are saved to a HDD or internal memory some one of the many advantages of cartridges (no big hdd needed) is gone.
Interceptor
Banned
They are so modern they have to install because their drives are so slow.
On Wii U you can have each game purely digital or as a Disc with no installs.
Modern.
Possumowner
Member
If this is true,then I want the NX more than I did before....those retro emotions are strong.
But that just makes a good point for cards and shows how inefficient discs are now. Read speeds aren't fast enough, and faster read speeds for discs creates more noise and heat, so a large part of the game is moved to the HDD so the HDD can do the grunt work.
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