DrForester
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I don't know what to think.
So did the path I take during the ending make any difference?
So did the path I take during the ending make any difference?
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SPOILER Bioshock Infinite SPOILER discussion
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XANDER CAGE
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I don't think so, but it'd be lovely if there was an easter egg hidden out there.
DrForester
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did any of the choices in the game mean anything? Throwing the baseball? which choker you give To Elizabeth?
Did anyone else take a metaphoric approach to the scene when all the Elizabeth's kill Booker? I didn't feel like that was the actual moment he was baptized, but the representation of of the "moment" (for lack of a better word) in time-space where all realities with Comstock form.
The setting doesn't extend beyond the river there's a copious door up on the hill and the first time Liz takes Booker there there's a bunch of people, but on the second time there is not. I feel like the Liz's drowning Booker there is her using her powers to shut that one door where Comtock forms (and by shutting that one door all other Comstock doors are shut as well).
I just feel like the setting wasn't as literal as I thought at first.
The setting doesn't extend beyond the river there's a copious door up on the hill and the first time Liz takes Booker there there's a bunch of people, but on the second time there is not. I feel like the Liz's drowning Booker there is her using her powers to shut that one door where Comtock forms (and by shutting that one door all other Comstock doors are shut as well).
I just feel like the setting wasn't as literal as I thought at first.
bodyofanamerican
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Nope. And that's sort of the point. Variables and constants. They were a variable that had no effect on the overall events of the story, and can be taken as a comment on the futility of the player's agency.
The baseball decision gets you a reaction a few minutes later in the game. The choker doesn't change anything, but it's important to know which one you gave her, because the choker changes symbols in different parts of the ending.
If you throw the ball at the guy instead of at the couple, you find the couple in a building later and they thank you. Beyond that...I have no idea.
I'm not sure what the significance of the choker is either, or of Booker's hand getting stabbed (does it not get stabbed if you choose the other option?). I took Booker's hand having a bandage as a way to communicate that you were still the same guy in some odd way. They never used it that way though (he never looks at his hand and goes "oh right...that happened" or anything).
7he Talon
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After I spared the guy and the girl, I saw them later on and they said they would help me. I can't remember how/if they did.
It certainly felt a bit metaphoric, I agree.
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
un33dab@dpu$$y
In my second playthrough in 1999 mode I distinctly remember him picking heads
Anyone else on their second playthrough - did he pick heads for you? Don't tell me I'm going crazy.
I could have sworn he picked heads on my first playthrough, then on the second he picked tails and it shocked me.
DrForester
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Most shocking point of the game for me was discovering that it wasn't William Hurt doing Comstock's voice.
Any recommendations on other books/games/movies/tv shows that have tell one story but having something much bigger going on behind it that you have to piece together? Sci-fi and fantasy especially.
Obviously Lost and Fringe are good examples. Same goes with Gene Wolfe's Book of the New Sun (and his other books).
Obviously Lost and Fringe are good examples. Same goes with Gene Wolfe's Book of the New Sun (and his other books).
IOnEI Falcon
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Yeah! That happened to be too!
I like to think that the girl sitting on the gallows came up with that song herself and John Fogerty heard it through a tear and stole it.
csquared587
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I probably just missed it, but how do the Lucettes discover each other? Their main goal is to be together, right? How were they seperated and who found who? Did they know each other before the tears?
Basically, any background info on the Lucettes will do, they are super interesting.
Basically, any background info on the Lucettes will do, they are super interesting.
XANDER CAGE
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Oh, really? That was actually my initial prediction.
When the choker part happened, I was watching carefully to see if Elizabeth ever got swapped out for another one, with the choker being the only indication. Never noticed it change in the ending!
Lovely Salsa
Banned
Is there any point to replay the game? Its pretty time consuming
The first bioshock gave you different endings
The first bioshock gave you different endings
XANDER CAGE
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Not really, although going through and picking out all the foreshadowing is really fun.
jacksepticeye
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I just noticed something odd. In the blue ribbon where you get the shield from the luteces, if you shoot at them lasy Lutece says "Missed" in a sort of mocking way, even if you aim right at her head at point blank. But you can shoot and kill the guy at the bar. Keep doing it and she keeps changing what she says "We can afford to do this all day, the question is,can you?"
It may be just that old video game thing where you can't kill important people but it felt odd to me and usually Booker lowers his gun for people like that, he does near elizabeth anyway. It also struck me odd because of the whole empty Lutece grave thing I brought up before. Something about it seemed fishy
It may be just that old video game thing where you can't kill important people but it felt odd to me and usually Booker lowers his gun for people like that, he does near elizabeth anyway. It also struck me odd because of the whole empty Lutece grave thing I brought up before. Something about it seemed fishy
Matt2thefuture
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If you don't pull your gun out while buying a ticket you don't get stabbed in the hand. If you play the game twice you can get tails instead of heads on the coin. So the choices changed small little things but the ending I believe is always the same.
7he Talon
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Same thing went through my head. Such a magical moment.
May have been talked about already but these quotes from reddit...
Have led me to believe that maybe Andrew Ryan is Booker's kid. I mean, not Booker's but Comstock's kid. Like maybe in one world, Comstock can't get his city/vision off the ground and Columbia never happens. But, Andrew took his ideas and, since he hated his zealot father, went the exact opposite direction.
In the end, the birth of Comstock would have still lead to a city outside of society.
Have led me to believe that maybe Andrew Ryan is Booker's kid. I mean, not Booker's but Comstock's kid. Like maybe in one world, Comstock can't get his city/vision off the ground and Columbia never happens. But, Andrew took his ideas and, since he hated his zealot father, went the exact opposite direction.
In the end, the birth of Comstock would have still lead to a city outside of society.
SoulUnison
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I think it's just the universe's way of saying that the Letuce siblings can't really "die" because that would mean that there was somewhere they "weren't" when they're supposed to be "everywhere." But, yeah, it's also a gameplay thing.
I guess they could have had you warp back to Booker's office death-style anytime you shot one of them, but that'd be a little much.
Oh, question I've been meaning to ask. During the ending, when you see the "other" Booker and Elizabeth walking along the Lighthouse Piers, are they "opposites?"
Like, if you picked the Cage for Elizabeth, and Booker got his hand stabbed at the Battleship Bay ambush, do the "other" Booker and Elizabeth have the Bird and no hand bandage, respectively?
XANDER CAGE
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I think he just lowers his gun over time. I accidentally shot at Elizabeth multiple times and her only response was "watch out!"
SoulUnison
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I was just listening to Weekend Confirmed, I agree with Jeff, Bioshock is a lot like half life. I suppose you could do this for a lot of stuff though. In Zelda the songbird would be what? Tingle?
That'd blow my mind a lot more if they'd gotten Elizabeth's quote even nearly correct.
Well, that is very Pynchonian.
Also, fix the resolution on those pics. Damn, internet.
Just finished it.
What the
I mean jesus.
There is one small thing that I don't get. How is killing one of multiple Booker solving anything? Killing Booker/Compton in the first reality didn't seem to change much. Wouldn't you have a kill a baby in order to prevent to person from actually existing.
Also, is the death/respawn mechanic ever explained?
What the
I mean jesus.
There is one small thing that I don't get. How is killing one of multiple Booker solving anything? Killing Booker/Compton in the first reality didn't seem to change much. Wouldn't you have a kill a baby in order to prevent to person from actually existing.
Also, is the death/respawn mechanic ever explained?
According to one of the audio logs Rosalind and Robert got to know each other through the studying of a particle, which existed in both of their parallel universes. She mentions something along the line of using it like a morse code.
jacksepticeye
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I was just listening to Weekend Confirmed, I agree with Jeff, Bioshock is a lot like half life. I suppose you could do this for a lot of stuff though. In Zelda the songbird would be what? Tingle?
"There's always a lighthouse, Always a man and always a city" If you're gonna do it, do it right
I just copy and pasted the quote from a google search and I don't really know how to make images. I just did image search and copy and pasted in paint.
Because Elizabeth states outright she can see all possibilities and that she sees one possibility where killing Comstock removes him from all possibility spaces. The exact quote is, "I can see ALL the doors and what's behind all the doors. And behind ONE OF THEM, I see him." She then continues on and says, "It will only be over when he never even lived in the first place."
That's why when you kill Comstock, all the Elizabeths disappear because they can't exist without Comstock.
Smothering Comstock in his crib was a metaphor for killing him during his baptism. Because in his baptism he was born again and when he took on the name Comstock.
The death/respawn is probably a quick way of showing the Lutece twins bringing him back into an alternate timeline to continue the quest for stopping the infinite loop.
Mushroomer25
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The idea is that you're only killing the version of Booker that chooses to be baptized, and thus becomes Comstock. The versions of Elizabeth dissapear, but Anna will still exist & grow up with her (gambling debt-ridden) father.
The way I understood the death mechanic is this - The entire game is in many ways controlled by Lutece. They've run you through this story a million times, with you dying somewhere in the process each time. When that happens, they open up a portal, grab another "Booker" and start again. When you're revived through the door mechanic, you're taking the reigns of a new Booker in the same situation, picking up from where you last failed.
Cramoss
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I suppose you're talking about this one: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bioshock/comments/1b4fmx/my_detailed_ending_explanation_my_attempt_at_the/
XANDER CAGE
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some times
Uiki
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I was just listening to Weekend Confirmed, I agree with Jeff, Bioshock is a lot like half life. I suppose you could do this for a lot of stuff though. In Zelda the songbird would be what? Tingle? I fixed the quote.
My mind was blown like 20 mins ago, I just finished my playthrough....then i come here and i see this.
HOLY FUCKING SHIT.
Raitosaito
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Yeah man, you're me from another dimension.
I thought the same thing on that early encounter with the Luteces, seemed like a fun way to poke at the unkillable npc cliche at first. When you progress through the game and find out that Fink sabotaging their tear-manipulation machine didn't actually just kill them but somehow changed their existence across all of space time, their remarks in the Blue Ribbon when you try to shoot them make perfect sense.
Tokubetsu
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The Dark Tower.
endresults
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So are we to believe the Luteces brutally murdered the lighthouse caretaker? Yeah, he was going to (and already has) kill Booker, but that guy looked tortured to death. Pretty extreme.
indigo-cyclops
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This game, this fucking game. Can't stop thinking about the narrative.
Muchi Muchi Pink
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Maybe, maybe not. I think it doesn't matter who is the man. They always build a city. And only the Comstock universe is alienated. I wouldn't be surprised if even in the new universe created through killing Comstock, there is a city. Just a different one.
Right. The Luteces simply wanted to end the infinite loop they created when they brought Anna and male Lutece over from Booker's space/time.
Any other constants and variables are irrelevant to them.
fizzelopeguss
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I was just listening to Weekend Confirmed, I agree with Jeff, Bioshock is a lot like half life. I suppose you could do this for a lot of stuff though. In Zelda the songbird would be what? Tingle? I fixed the quote.
Boom, that's why we need valve to release HL3 and push the genre in new directions...again. It'll at least give all the hacks something else to copy.
I don't think the image is meant to convey that BioShock was bereft of ideas and stole them from HL. The quote from BioShock Infinite is meant to prove Elizabeth's point that there are variables and constants no matter what you do and that HL has a similar structure.
Half Life is simply another reality with similar variables and constants.