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I probably missed this, but was it ever explained why Elizanna had these powers, and how Comstooker knew?
I have read up on quantum theory. All mechanics did was take it one step further and say that instead of both things existing until observed, not it says both things still exist after being observed but the non-observation has its own reality somewhere else.
That's the theory!
Just have to chime in and point out that I love this discussion.
For me this is evidence that games are capable of being more than shallow multi-player death matches...not that those can't be fun. I just find this experience much more engaging and thought provoking.
Yeah I speculated that before, it could be a tear right to the last point (unlikely) or cutting out all the replaying of the same stuff for gameplay sake (the one I actually believe). Just what he mentioned about it being the one perfect Booker from start to finish didn't sit well with me, I don't accept that idea.
Hold on, why would I drown myself when I'm not the booker who chose to be baptized and became Comstock? I fail to see how that eliminates Comstock from all timelines.
Hold on, why would I drown myself when I'm not the booker who chose to be baptized and became Comstock? I fail to see how that eliminates Comstock from all timelines.
Hold on, why would I drown myself when I'm not the booker who chose to be baptized and became Comstock? I fail to see how that eliminates Comstock from all timelines.
I mentioned playing as the perfect Booker because we play through the events of the perfect Booker (minus any deaths we have ourselves), not necessarily because we play as a single Booker (which I don't believe we do if you die in combat). The bolded is precisely what I'm saying (although I probably didn't make that clear).Yeah I speculated that before, it could be a tear right to the last point (unlikely) or cutting out all the replaying of the same stuff for gameplay sake (the one I actually believe). Just what he mentioned about it being the one perfect Booker from start to finish didn't sit well with me, I don't accept that idea.
I mentioned playing as the perfect Booker because we play through the events of the perfect Booker (minus any deaths we have ourselves), not necessarily because we play as a single Booker (which I don't believe we do if you die in combat). The bolded is precisely what I'm saying (although I probably didn't make that clear).
I feel stupid for only coming up with the question now, I thought I had it all figured out, but...
why do we see multiple Elizabeths and Bookers in the sea of lighthouses at the end? That basically implies that they didn't break the cycle, that they're going to go through this thing infinitely, doesn't it? I really want that not to be the case
I have read up on quantum theory. All mechanics did was take it one step further and say that instead of both things existing until observed, not it says both things still exist after being observed but the non-observation has its own reality somewhere else.
That's the theory!
I feel stupid for only coming up with the question now, I thought I had it all figured out, but...
why do we see multiple Elizabeths and Bookers in the sea of lighthouses at the end? That basically implies that they didn't break the cycle, that they're going to go through this thing infinitely, doesn't it? I really want that not to be the case
Wait how would you be a new Brooker when Liz is clearly resesatating you?
Because they don't always kill Booker by drowning him, so the cycle continues.
Hold on, why would I drown myself when I'm not the booker who chose to be baptized and became Comstock? I fail to see how that eliminates Comstock from all timelines.
Ok guys I made to try to get my head around this and hopefully help some people here ( although I'm afraid this might confuse them more, if it's not correct )
Let me know if there is any mistake/error in here!
That doesn't make sense to me because to even arrive at that point Liz has to break the siphon. And if she does that, she sees "what's behind all the doors" and thus knows what has to be done.
Only looked at the beginning of the timeline, but you're not accounting for the Bookers who never go to the baptism and are left unscathed by Elizabeth's actions. The Bookers who actually go, cease to exist, whether they were going to back out or not.
Only looked at the beginning of the timeline, but you're not accounting for the Bookers who never go to the baptism and are left unscathed by Elizabeth's actions. The Bookers who actually go, cease to exist, whether they were going to back out or not.
But just because she knows doesn't mean that is what Booker does.
I finally really looked at the lyrics to Will The Circle Be Unbroken (often heard in many areas of the game):
Just thought that was interesting
Was anyone slightly disappointed with the Rapture reveal? I think they should have done something like when in the elevators in Columbia you could see all the different things happening on each floor. Maybe have one of the circular underwater windows give you a glimpse into the office of Andrew Ryan with him in it. I did enjoy it, but was hoping they would have shown it a little more alive.
Yes. I had heard rumors of going back to Rapture. I was hoping it would be a walk through Rapture in it's prime (1959 maybe). Not the same old room from the beginning of B1.
(I mean it was still cool though)
That would have been nice too, creating an allegory of the utopia before the dystopia, just as you saw in Columbia. (With the exception in Columbia of the negative elements of racism, etc. in pre-collapse Columbia)Yes. I had heard rumors of going back to Rapture. I was hoping it would be a walk through Rapture in it's prime (1959 maybe). Not the same old room from the beginning of B1.
(I mean it was still cool though)
Is it explained EXACTLY who songbird is? I know its a mix of human/machine. But is WHO the human was important at all? There was a while during the playing of the game that I entertained the thought of comstock being the songbird.
Wait what the heck is this about 123 Bookers? How would you even get the extra Bookers in the first place, the Booker that needs to save Elizabeth only comes from the dimension that Comstock kidnapped Anna from right?
Wait what the heck is this about 123 Bookers? How would you even get the extra Bookers in the first place, the Booker that needs to save Elizabeth only comes from the dimension that Comstock kidnapped Anna from right?
If we're getting some kind of story DLC I think one of them will be about what Songbird is.
Fink made it right?
Where do you get from? The way I see it, Booker DeWitt dies AT the baptism, closing off the possibility of becoming Comstock AND getting married and having Anna.
People want to assume there is a happy ending, the scene after the credits is either the worst red herring ever or Levine was forced to add in something that could hint at a happy ending.
The emphasis on the baptism, along with the post-credits sequence, lead me to to interpret that.
There are an infinite amount of timelines:
Everytime Booker 'messes up' the Luteces take another Booker from the infinite set of Bookers that sold Anna and lived in regret for twenty years and brough him to a Comstock universe and carried out everything the exact same only changing one/two etc. events at a time (while the constants are constants and must be worked around). That's why the Luteces make repeated references to having done it before and why certain things have occured such as 122 pre-existing head marks on the chalkboard, 'songbird always stops you' and the Luteces talking about the shield possibly killing Booker instead of working. Died, dies, will die. Booker has died in a previous attempt due to an incorrect variable, dies in this attempt due to a variable, will die in the next attempt due to another variable (until it is 'broken' and the perfect Booker gets through to reset the timeline).
Edit: It's pertinent that not all 'infinites' are the same size which is why different infinite sets can be subsets of other infinite sets. The Bookers that sold Anna to Comstock and lived in regret for twenty years is an infinite set that's a subset of the infinite set of Bookers that rejected baptism.
The emphasis on the baptism, along with the post-credits sequence, lead me to to interpret that.
I don't give a shit if there's a happy ending or not, it's simply an observation of multi-verse logistics at play in the game. If Booker drowns during the baptism, Booker rejecting baptism is still a variable. Dead drowned Comstock does not negate this. The Booker-with-Anna-not-Comstock universe remains, but without the meddling from Comstock.
Is the Booker at the after the credits sequence a Booker from another reality where Comstock didn't intervene, or just a corrected timeline using the same Booker from his own reality, where his life plays out differently because Comstock didn't intervene? (due to Comstock being born leading to a paradox that Elizabeth forced)
Beat it on Hard the first time.
Definitely gonna go Easy next time just to experiment with vigors and whatnot.
I felt violated. It's like when I saw Oldboy man!
I think that confused/shocked me more than all the fringe/lost ending lol.
I feel like shit after all that sexual tension. lulz