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[JGS]

As I mentioned above, the fact that he's been trained at all means he's likely taken these precautions as part of a general defense training program on corporate espionage. Which would entail knowing who your major rivals are. Just receiving training on this one aspect and not any other possibility doesn't seem plausible.

Sure, Eames had pulled a gun on him in the taxi, but Saito also did directly in front of him. It wouldn't be out of the question to expect him to try and at least get a good look at the faces of his captors so he can give proper descriptions to law enforcement later.

The thing is he barely remembers the training for dreaming. Even if he did, it doesn't mean he become a super soldier due the training, he learns how to cope with a situation which he did just fine with in the level 1 dream.

I can almost guarentee his training would not include the CEO of a rival company being the the the actual suspect. That would be like Obama being cautious around Putin for fear Putin would shoot him. Why he didn't take a private jet I get as a plot hole (not really sincde they explained it but still...), but Fischer is painted as a guy who is not qualified literally to replace his father so it's doubtful that immediately following his father's death, a tramatic time in any situation, he is going to turn into Jason Bourne and recognize all the dangers around him.

He was getting good looks but he was thinking it was real. However, it didn't matter whether he saw Saito and remembered him or not (Something tough to do in a dream) because part of the plan was always to get him to realize he was in a dream (I think). His training would have told him that Saito could have been a part of his subconscious.

Now Saito shouldn't have been there because out of everyone besides Cobb, he was messing up the plans since he was untrained, but Fischer recognizing on the plane and on the level 1 dream wasn't the reason it was a bad idea to me.

 

[Snuggles]

So I was thinking, what would happen if you're extractioning/inceptioning someones mind while they're having a wet dream?

 

[XiaNaphryz]

But that makes me think of another question, how did everyone (except Cobb and Saito) get out of Level 1? We see Fischer and Eames talking on the shore but no one else is accounted for between getting out of the van and being awake on the plane.

They likely timed it so that the sedative and dream machine would wear off after a certain amount of time for at least some of the team members (Arthur most likely being first).

Also, I'm trying to piece together what happened on the plane once the first person woke up. They would have had to make sure Fischer woke up last and put away the device so he wouldn't suspect anything--except that meant they had to disconnect Cobb and Saito as well. Presumably Ariadne, knowing they were in limbo anyway, explained that to the others. Still, I imagine there would have been some debate or hesitation to disconnect them and potentially leave them trapped in that state forever.

I think what most likely happened is that Arthur woke up first (he seems to always wake up first in the earlier scenes, including one of the test scenes where it looks like they're testing the sedative). When he wakes in those examples, he's always alert right away. I think at that point he just disconnects everyone, making sure Fischer gets a little extra so he doesn't wake too soon. If you look at the scene when Cobb wakes up, pretty much everyone is still groggy except Arthur, who actually has his suit coat on at that point (he had it off like the others when they went under) implying he got up (hence why I think he was the one to help the attendant clean up).

Remember, you don't have to be connected to still be dreaming. At the beginning they disconnect Saito and he's still out of it for a while.

 

[Koodo]

Can someone please post the Leo "Haters gonna hate" picture again? Can't seem to find it.

Closest I could find:

 

[JGS]

But that makes me think of another question, how did everyone (except Cobb and Saito) get out of Level 1? We see Fischer and Eames talking on the shore but no one else is accounted for between getting out of the van and being awake on the plane.

I thought they showed everyone but Saito & Cobb swimming out of the van. Pages character mentioned that Cobb would get Saito and get out too as they were about to try to rescue them iirc.

Also, I'm trying to piece together what happened on the plane once the first person woke up. They would have had to make sure Fischer woke up last and put away the device so he wouldn't suspect anything--except that meant they had to disconnect Cobb and Saito as well. Presumably Ariadne, knowing they were in limbo anyway, explained that to the others. Still, I imagine there would have been some debate or hesitation to disconnect them and potentially leave them trapped in that state forever.

One of them would have gotten the music to wake up first by the flight attendant. You can unhook them from the machine and they can still wake up as they did with Saito on the train.

Even if they were revived, if they had died in any of the levels without the death in limbo, they would have been vegatables with or without the machine due to the strength of the sedative.

Saito paid for the whole operation, right? I wonder if payment was conditional on him making it out alive and sane. Would have sucked if they had gone through the whole thing, succeeded in incepting Fischer, but didn't get paid because Saito didn't make it.

It shouldn't have since the agreement wasn't supposed to be conditional on him being there to begin with. He insisted so he took the risk. Saito is a pretty honorable guy apparently

 

[Jinjo]

In response to the discussion about Fisher not recognizing Saito:

For a movie about dreams, people seem to be forgetting the basics of dreams. As in: you're not conscious. It's not uncommon for people from real life to show up in dreams, regardless of your relation to them. Recognizing faces is a conscious activity, an activity which Fisher's subconscious won't be capable off, regardless of training. And even if Fisher did recognize Saito, he would not be able to make a conscious link as to what Saito is doing there. As I said, it's not uncommon for real life people to show up when dreaming and when it happens you are never startled by this.

Also, almost all dreams are forgotten when you wake up. If Fisher was able to consciously remember anything from his dream (on any of the layers) that would probably make the inception worthless. If you ask me, the only thing he might remember from the dream is that last scene between him and his father, nothing else.

 

[eLGee]

Closest I could find:

Good enough. Thanks mate.

 

[JGS]

Correct, and then the avalanche in Level 3. Then full weightlessness in Level 2.

I was thinking more about this and it makes more sense that gravity would not be an issue.

If level 3 was Eames' level than after the initial jolt cause the avalanche, he was floating but he was also stationary like the rest of the sleepers. If the dreams characteristics are based on the dreamer, then there was little to no movement after the avalanche starter.

In fact, he and the others were handled very carefully by JGL's character when moving them to the elevator.

 

[Hawkian]

It's not uncommon for people from real life to show up in dreams

I think the question is why he didn't recognize him in real life?

In fact, he and the others were handled very carefully by JGL's character when moving them to the elevator.

Very true, and this reminds me of something... I really thought a humor moment was coming when he was moving them all, like he bangs the head of one of the unconscious people against the elevator door, and they get knocked over in the snow fortress level or something :lol

 

[JGS]

I think the question is why he didn't recognize him in real life?

Barring editing errors, he didn't see him and probably couldn't care less if he had.

 

[JGS]

I think the question is why he didn't recognize him in real life?



Very true, and this reminds me of something... I really thought a humor moment was coming when he was moving them all, like he bangs the head of one of the unconscious people against the elevator door, and they get knocked over in the snow fortress level or something :lol

I was hoping for that too!

It would have added to the tension strangely. It would have been the kind of humor I was mentioning about Dark Knight. EDIT: I think I mentioned it in teh other thread actually.

 

[Zoe]

But that makes me think of another question, how did everyone (except Cobb and Saito) get out of Level 1? We see Fischer and Eames talking on the shore but no one else is accounted for between getting out of the van and being awake on the plane.

They had to wait for the sedative to wear off. That was said to take a week in level 1.

Also, I'm trying to piece together what happened on the plane once the first person woke up. They would have had to make sure Fischer woke up last and put away the device so he wouldn't suspect anything--except that meant they had to disconnect Cobb and Saito as well. Presumably Ariadne, knowing they were in limbo anyway, explained that to the others. Still, I imagine there would have been some debate or hesitation to disconnect them and potentially leave them trapped in that state forever.

We saw in the train scene that someone can get disconnected from the machine and not wake up immediately. The flight attendant likely took care of it.

 

[Hawkian]

They had to wait for the sedative to wear off. That was said to take a week in level 1.

Yeah, and Fischer's subconscious was no longer militarized. That's how we get to have the equivalent of the "everybody chills in a safe place after the heist is complete" scene, like the Bellagio fountains in Ocean's Eleven, even though in reality no one has moved from their seat.

 

[Metal B]

I think the question is why he didn't recognize him in real life?

Properly didn't think about it. They are in an normal airplane, first class, you see a lot of big businessman there. So it just could be an coincidence for him. Also his dad died, he properly did think or wanted a conversation with an enemy of his dead dad. Or he was not that big in touch with the business of his dad yet. So he properly now the company and the name, but not the face or even nothing about anything. His dad didnt seen to be to teach his son much.

 

[Hawkian]

Properly didn't think about it. They are in an normal airplane, first class, you see a lot of big businessman there. So it just could be an coincidence for him. Also his dad died, he properly did think or wanted a conversation with an enemy of his dead dad. Or he was not that big in touch with the business of his dad yet. So he properly now the company and the name, but not the face or even nothing about anything. His dad didnt seen to be to teach his son much.

Well, it's not my question. I assumed that he was barely aware of him as he didn't seem interested in running the company or handling its affairs at all.

 

[Aselith]

You mean unintentionally affect them, right? This sat fine with me... for a group of people who spend huge chunks of their lives in other people's dreams, everybody but Cobb seemed relatively sound of mind. Cobb on the other hand had metaphorical freight trains of emotion bearing down on him even in the real world.

Yeah, the problem is that Cobb is out of control. He CAN'T control how he affects the other person's dream in those moments. He's got serious psychological issues that are bursting in on his conciousness.

It's like asking why everybody else doesn't spout off crazy nonsense when look at this fucking Tourettes guy! He's spouting off nonsense all the time. The world doesn't make sense!

Cobb has mental Tourettes.

 

[Graphics Horse]

Has this been posted? Might be obvious as I think they do that to the real one in the film.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVkQ0C4qDvM

In fact, he and the others were handled very carefully by JGL's character when moving them to the elevator.

How long did he spend doing that, shouldn't he only have about 1 minute of zero g while the van was falling?

 

[bobs...onGaf]

Was I the only one who was thinking "holy shit, this feels like a MGS movie!" when the final level of Fischer's dream opened with Cobb aiming a sniper rifle at the complex with the guard? :lol

Your not the only one , I actually thought "OMG Shadow Complex!!!". Oddly I actually HATED the action scenes in the movie.

Im going to HAVE to watch this again, but to be honest I get the feeling I will still not be sure if its all a dream or not.

 

[JGS]

How long did he spend doing that, shouldn't he only have about 1 minute of zero g while the van was falling?

I think he had about 5-6 minutes which shouldn't have been too tough. The problem was they had to keep interspersing between his level and level 3 which was much longer and the timeframe the scenes were all based on. So his 5-6 minutes seemed to take as long as the snow level. Level 1 was no problem because they just had to show the van falling in slo-mo.

 

[BumRush]

Has this been posted? Might be obvious as I think they do that to the real one in the film.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVkQ0C4qDvM

I think that's actually the only song in the entire score. Could be wrong though.

 

[Graphics Horse]

I think he had about 5-6 minutes which shouldn't have been too tough. The problem was they had to keep interspersing between his level and level 3 which was much longer and the timeframe the scenes were all based on. So his 5-6 minutes seemed to take as long as the snow level. Level 1 was no problem because they just had to show the van falling in slo-mo.

What I'm getting at is for 5 minutes it would have meant the van took ~15 seconds to fall off the bridge, bit slow, no?

 

[Arucardo]

:lol Was reading a fair bit of the pages on this thread and some of you weren't really paying enough attention at the movie.

Just got back from the theater myself and loved the movie, looking forward to seeing it again on bluray when it comes out.

 

[demosthenes]

What I'm getting at is for 5 minutes it would have meant the van took ~15 seconds to fall off the bridge, bit slow, no?

JGL should have only had 3 minutes I think to move them, it's not perfect, he took slightly longer, does the film fail for this? No, because you don't even notice it unless you're really trying to pick apart the movie.

 

[JGS]

JGL should have only had 3 minutes I think to move them, it's not perfect, he took slightly longer, does the film fail for this? No, because you don't even notice it unless you're really trying to pick apart the movie.

Yeah, I'm starting to remember they said 3 minutes (I can't do the math) or so, but again it's hard to judge how long it took because the standard time was based on the longer level 3 dream. Lots of cuts between the two and no way to slow it down like the van.

I would have hated a slow downs to match the levels.

It could be done in 3 minutes. The room was down the hall so that should have been less than a minute and it should have been way less than a minute to set the charges. I think the point was to emphasize how little time each level did have to complete the goals.

 

[Gary Whitta]

 

[Iceman]

lol

^

btw, that always looks like a dude celebrating to me.

Spoiler

also, caine is misspelled.

 

[Skiptastic]

:lol

 

[Gary Whitta]

In a weird way Caine's name being misspelled almost adds to it :lol

 

[Raiden]

Would be funnier without the "cane"

Which makes me think of Michael Caine's cane, and that disturbs me.

 

[ezekial45]

The kids were in the Grandmother's custody. I doubt she would've let them go to France to be with Cobb.

Spoiler

I still love those pics though.

 

[Gary Whitta]

The kids were in the Grandmother's custody. I doubt she would've let them go to France to be with Cobb.

Spoiler

I still love those pics though.

Caine could have incepted her into thinking it was a great idea!

 

[ezekial45]

Caine could have incepted her into thinking it was a great idea!

Don't you mean Cane?

 

[krypt0nian]

So they can be on the run with a known fugitive?

Spoiler

lol

 

[Gary Whitta]

So they can be on the run with a known fugitive?

Spoiler

lol

That's wrong with a vacation with their grandfather so they can at least see their dad?

 

[Gary Whitta]

 

[Deleted member 30609]

:lol

 

[Mr. Sam]

Um, anyone want an avatar?

 

[Jinjo]

Um, anyone want an avatar?

Yes, please.

Thank you.

 

[Hawkian]

Can anybody find the "You know the Japanese Guy?"
"Yeah, Saito, what about him?"
"He looks like this?"

for me?

 

[FunkyPajamas]

Can anybody find the "You know the Japanese Guy?"
"Yeah, Saito, what about him?"
"He looks like this?"

for me?

Hotlinked.

I googled "You know the Japanese Guy? inception".

 

[Hawkian]

:lol didn't think of that. Awesome. thanks.

 

[Mr. Sam]

Anyone got a blank version?

 

[nilbog21]

So wait, how did Leo get out of limbo w/ Mal when they delved too deep? Is the entire movie just a dream?

 

[nilbog21]

I think that's actually the only song in the entire score. Could be wrong though.

:lol

 

[Pinzer]

 

[nilbog21]

Try this one instead:
http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1939332

ahaha man, i loved the movie and have been reading up on it ALL night, but this is so true! :lol

 

[Jerk]

Something that stood out for me this time was Fischer/Saito. How exactly are we to believe that Fischer didn't recognize him?

I know that this has probably been touched upon, but I always thought that Saito is not quite who he claims to be.

It is my personal belief that the team was assembled as a sort of 'deniable opts' deal in effort by the United States (perhaps not alone) government to break apart what they perceived to be a potentially disastrous energy monopoly.

It would certainly explain how Saito seems to have the ability to clear through immigration with a simple call, and why Fischer has no idea who the hell he is. It would also explain cobol's ability to levy such force against Cobb (perhaps they work for another country?).

I have only seen the movie once, and I was sick when I did, but I do remember there being a couple of things that reinforced this. With that said, I am sure that this has been brought up already.

 

[roosters93]

Saw it for a second time today.

Questions:

I know there's not really an answer to this, but how would Cobb and his team be with a sleeping Saito in the extraction at the start of the movie?

From reading this page the consensus is that they just let the sedative wear off in Level 1? There was no kick?

 

[raphier]

That's wrong with a vacation with their grandfather so they can at least see their dad?

Dude, I have a close relative being on the run from the country, so I can relate. this relative grotesquelly stabbed three people at some party five years ago as far as I know. Next day he fleed to the neighbour country and been lost ever since.

He had/has a family of two children, now 15-years old boys and a wife, who sometime travel to a foreign country. Several times they've noticed that they were followed by the Police's Fugitive Programme, kind of FBI of our country and Private Inspectors of some sort. They've infact been in contact with him, if there's believing the tales of other relatives, though by the telephone.

The point is that it is highly likely according to this sydrome, that the family will try to get into contact with the fugitive and travel to meet him, because they might be fooled by his lies of being a victim and clean of the acts executed five years ago.

Police has even pleaded the family that if they get into contact with him again, she should tell the correspondent in the police about it.

Vacation could be a dangerous game to the fugitive, because it could be a globally set trap by the law enforcement agenciwes, but ofcourse if that certain country fully cooperates and accepts the arrest upon finding this individual.

 

[JGS]

Saw it for a second time today.

Questions:

I know there's not really an answer to this, but how would Cobb and his team be with a sleeping Saito in the extraction at the start of the movie?

From reading this page the consensus is that they just let the sedative wear off in Level 1? There was no kick?

1. The same way they did Fischer. They drugged him, but left before he woke up.

2. Yes, there was no need for a kick since the sedative wore off by the time they landed anyway. The stewardess on the plane wouldn't have known they were trying to be killed in the dreams.