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[SPOILERS] Persona 5 Spoiler Thread | Steal your heart; steel yourself
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Crimsonlink
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I farmed the reaper 3 times on Flu season. Got me to level 81 and was satisfied with that for the most part.
Its not till NG+ that I'll want level 90+ anyways.
I dunno how to feel about unlocking Sataneal. I feel like as a reward for finishing the game, he should come with you as level 1 and doesn't unlock his immunities till level 70/80 to balance him.
Professor Renegade
Banned
Didn't they do the same kind of thing with Izanagi no Okami in P4? It would be a little weird if they gave you the godkiller persona right at the start of NG+
Eh...NG+ always feels like more of a fuck around run of a Persona game. You got a ton of cash, high level persona at your fingertips, all your social stats, and tons of free time.
Iva Demilcol
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It was the same in Japanese iirc.
Yep. NG+ is so you can tell Igor and King Moron to fuck off at the first encounter.
Based on stuff that Yaldabaoth said about "You were right, Igor," and that it was meant to be a game, I'm pretty sure real Igor picked out the MC himself.
filthymitts
Neo Member
Think the Real Igor picked the MC before the fake.
I agree. I also think the game does a real shit job making this clear (maybe it's the localization?), but my impression is that the "game" was between Igor and Yaldabaoth (because, uh, why would Yaldabaoth set up the "game" all by himself and then rig it to the side he wants to win anyway?).
Oh that's right, totally forgot about that line at the end of the boss fight.
WrenchNinja
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That whole sequence with the protagonist getting shot and the game cutting to everyone's reaction to the suicide just made me say "What the fuck did I do wrong" out loud over and over till they got to the Ryuji "just as planned" moment
I was talking about the bit when everyone was disappearing when Mementos merged with the real world. I was playing for nearly 12 hours at that point and was about to have a fit lol
But yeah I had a similar reaction with that scene too.
filthymitts
Neo Member
I had the SAME reaction. I was sitting there thinking about my choices trying to figure out where I went wrong then when Ryuji said that I was like YOU BRILLIANT ASSHOLES
That is totally the case. It was Igor vs Yaldabaoth, though I'm not sure who proposed the idea of a game. Probably Yaldabaoth. It would also make sense the real Igor would have chosen you in advance because he made the Assistant Morgana to find you and bring you to the heart of Mementos. The contract tho...that was with Yaldabaoth based on the opening of the game because that's using fake Igor's voice.
Tribes of Trusty
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In the Persona series isn't Igor/Philemon always in some kind of game against some malevolent deities to prove that humanity isn't that shit ? (Nyarlathotep, Nyx, Izanami-no-Okami, Yaldabaoth).
A funny thing I thought about when I played P5 and its quite clear "deadline" system, from the Persona 4 post-mortem on Gamasutra (super interesting to read) :
I think P5 is far better on that point that P4 because the deadline are clear from the start, but it still hasn't hit the sweet spot imho, I think that they should be a bit more lax with how time is managed and allow you to do some activities / SLink upgrades after going to the Metaverse (yeah I know Kawakami). I played a lot more Palace => SLink / activities => Mementos => SLink than before but I still tried to hit a big milestone in each Palace instead of progressing more calmly.
A funny thing I thought about when I played P5 and its quite clear "deadline" system, from the Persona 4 post-mortem on Gamasutra (super interesting to read) :
What went wrong said:
I think P5 is far better on that point that P4 because the deadline are clear from the start, but it still hasn't hit the sweet spot imho, I think that they should be a bit more lax with how time is managed and allow you to do some activities / SLink upgrades after going to the Metaverse (yeah I know Kawakami). I played a lot more Palace => SLink / activities => Mementos => SLink than before but I still tried to hit a big milestone in each Palace instead of progressing more calmly.
Yeah this bit I thought maybe I got the bad end, I even researched beforehand to avoid it but still thought with the gravity of the situation I done goofed, especially with Makoto saying "where did we go wrong Morgana?"
Glad that unlike in some other Persona game where the big bad just appears right at the end then boss fight, the fake Igor got a decent amount of screen time.
In P3/P4, there's never an explicit statement that Igor and the "evil god" villain are deliberately playing against each other - Igor basically just presents himself as your personal guide to enlightenment. The Igor/Yaldabaoth game seems like a more deliberate callback to Philemon and Nyarlathotep's game in P2.
For Nyx and Izanami, it was no game. Pretty sure they actually had no interaction with the Velvet Room entities, and were just doing their own thing in accordance with what humanity desired.
That's a big part of why I prefer Yaldabaoth to Izanami: you interact with him throughout the game and, right from the moment you meet him, you feel that something's off but you're not quite sure what (whether it's his voice, the attitude of the twins, the look of the VR, etc.).
I like when, near the end of the game, he starts talking all misanthropically, which makes you as the player and the twins go, "...What?" A bit more build up towards his real attitude towards humans earlier on, eventually going to the "You failed; screw humanity" speech, could have worked.
It definitely helped soften the blow of the twist since I got spoiled on him being a fake, of all the things to get spoiled of the game I got the major plot element haha. The writing was better too I found, he didn't come across as just saying fancy words for reasons like JRPG deity villains are but laid out his reasons and why. I think it was only during the final boss fight is when he actually started to get a bit loopy.
Sae just came from talking to him, so she herself put him in there.
I have to say, I think this game by far has the most explosive finale of the entire series and to me that makes it my favorite Persona story out of the ones I've played (haven't played 1/2). With such an evolving story of mixed emotions that evoked so many feelings of happiness, sadness, anger and despair within me, it felt incredible to have the world cheer you on in a Persona game. You were no longer just secret heroes - this time I felt the world behind my back, and as cheesy as that may be, it made me shed a tear when the world came together to cheer for us and help in summoning Satanael.
I just kind of wish the actual post-script and the events of you getting out of juvie after two months was a bit more "exciting" considering what a shitty card it is that you were dealt with. It was a really tepid let down. The ending itself was nice though, I'm glad it's not as bittersweet as P4's absolute leave, in some ways it leaves things up to imagination (such as, let's say, you romance someone in your party - you can imagine a potential scene after the fact with them once protag inevitably returns "home").
Since they were in Sae's cognition and she didn't realize she had entered the Metaverse, her cognition believed that protag was still inside that interrogation room.
I just kind of wish the actual post-script and the events of you getting out of juvie after two months was a bit more "exciting" considering what a shitty card it is that you were dealt with. It was a really tepid let down. The ending itself was nice though, I'm glad it's not as bittersweet as P4's absolute leave, in some ways it leaves things up to imagination (such as, let's say, you romance someone in your party - you can imagine a potential scene after the fact with them once protag inevitably returns "home").
Since they were in Sae's cognition and she didn't realize she had entered the Metaverse, her cognition believed that protag was still inside that interrogation room.
OOOHHH, wow ok I get it. So the real MC was in the real world convincing Sae to take the phone and then when she left she showed Akechi the phone and that put Akechi unknowingly in the Metaverse BUT ALSO it changed Sae's cognition so that another MC would be in her Palace's interrogation room.
So I guess Akechi never noticed what world he was in? If he was tricked into the Metaverse, when he went to leave wouldn't he notice that he wasn't in the real world? Or wait, did Futaba control it from the laptop?
Shouta
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For folks that haven't seen it. There are comparison pics to the actual location Yongenjaya was based off of, Sangenjaya. There are a few other shots of other notable places too.
http://www.anianimeru.com/archives/8174048.html
http://www.anianimeru.com/archives/8174048.html
You leave the metaverse the same way you enter it. Remember the surrounding area for the exit is the same in both worlds, it's like how Ryuji said the first time they left Kamoshida's palace, because everything looked normal they didn't realise they actually left.
Crimsonlink
Member
I felt kinda annoyed that they used the same old voice since the guy already passed away. Its time to let another guy voice Igor. The fake should have stayed fake but the old Igor should have changed voices imho.
CrimsonFist
Member
I missed his comments when fusing stuff with the real Igor.
Must be weird living there and suddenly getting attention haha.
Did anyone NOT see the Akechi twist coming, even if they missed the "pancakes" significance?
Dude was a creeeeeeeep. And the way he would laugh to himself after every fight. And yell IT'LL BE A MASSACRE before all out attacks.
Voice actor did a great job portraying a psychopath. I loved how he would scream PERSONAAAA in the most horrifying way possible during his actual boss fight.
Dude was a creeeeeeeep. And the way he would laugh to himself after every fight. And yell IT'LL BE A MASSACRE before all out attacks.
Voice actor did a great job portraying a psychopath. I loved how he would scream PERSONAAAA in the most horrifying way possible during his actual boss fight.
HoopzBarkley
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Finally finished it! Great game, I liked this more than 4. How are the other romance options? I went with Makoto because of her awakening scene. She felt pretty perfect in the context of the story.
I didn't have enough in my skill rank to complete her in my first run.
Will def do it in my second run tho. Makoto is so well developed that I feel like this game could've easily been about her instead. Love her and her English VO so much.I talked about this with my girlfriend the other day - the pancakes line felt way too overt of a hint for me to assume he was the bad guy at first. I was thinking he might have been some kind of accidental interloper cause rehashing the bad-guy detective story from the previous game felt lazy... but the moment they rush his introduction as a part of the Phantom Thieves he feels like he's way too much on auto pilot. I know some people like to say Haru didn't bring anything to the table (even though I contend that notion a little bit as I feel she brings actual heart to the group, as well as her representing the good nature of the high "social class" that the Phantom Thieves risk rebelling against indiscriminately), but Akechi brought way too much to the group, so much so to the point that I found it way too suspicious how calculated and sterile everything became. It's like he served literally every purpose that we already had a varied team for, and his abilities felt shoehorned in too quickly - so imagine my surprise when the team actually caught onto that, explaining their seeming lack of proactivity to the bullshit he tried peddling.
And then there was that fucking creepy all-out attack screen. He had way too many warning flags. After Adachi in P4 I thought this was a lame twist telegraphed way too hard, but imagine my surprise that the actual twist was that the protagonists knew all along. Now THAT was something I did not expect, and a pretty amazing justification of telling the story in flashbacks. For a game that is so verbal and feeling the need to spell out it's intention at every turn I was frankly surprised at that turn of events, never quite expected such agency and awareness from characters in a JRPG of this kind.
I think that was the point. Everything about Akechi in Sae's palace is designed so hard around making you like and accept him in the gang that it loops around and becomes suspicious.
Crimsonlink
Member
I think there should have been more mementos in latter half of the game. Sad how after Sae it just died out completely. More canon mementos too to fresh out the plot and give hints on fake Igor.
I hate how Haru is introduced so late and has such a high barrier on her S links. I couldn't get her past 8 because of it.
If only they gave you a week after your arrest then a lot of S links could have been completed. Total BS how they skipped over Jan and half of Feb to rush to the ending.
I hate how Haru is introduced so late and has such a high barrier on her S links. I couldn't get her past 8 because of it.
If only they gave you a week after your arrest then a lot of S links could have been completed. Total BS how they skipped over Jan and half of Feb to rush to the ending.
Halfway into this game I started thinking Akechi was a robot, not even a traitor. I just started thinking about how crazy it was that Persona 3 had these crazy advanced robots and then it's nowhere else in the series. So I assumed maybe one would show up at 5 and I definitely thought it would be him because he was mad weird.
Never thought he was the traitor until the game wanted me to but that's because I'm an idiot
Never thought he was the traitor until the game wanted me to but that's because I'm an idiot
Does anyone know if you can fight Caroline and Justine or the reaper on 12/24 of NG+, or is there a cutoff point?
Regarding the Igor twist, there was a topic about Igor's new VA a while back that was inexplicably filled with black bars, which tipped me off that something was up. It was pretty frustrating.
Regarding the Igor twist, there was a topic about Igor's new VA a while back that was inexplicably filled with black bars, which tipped me off that something was up. It was pretty frustrating.
I think there should have been more mementos in latter half of the game. Sad how after Sae it just died out completely. More canon mementos too to fresh out the plot and give hints on fake Igor.
I hate how Haru is introduced so late and has such a high barrier on her S links. I couldn't get her past 8 because of it.
If only they gave you a week after your arrest then a lot of S links could have been completed. Total BS how they skipped over Jan and half of Feb to rush to the ending.
I had the same problem with Haru. OH BOY I finally have time to hang out with Haru.... I need rank 5 proficiency? Fuck you, game!
The deadline is 12/22 for both.
I'm normally someone who never gets the twist until it happens in movies or games but I can honestly say that I knew Akechi was going to fuck me over at some point in the game in that first scene with him and Sae. Something about him just felt off. I knew I was on the right path during the pancakes bit and thought he was the one with the black mask. Him starting to side with the Phantom Thieves publicly made me think I could be wrong but I was still pretty sure I had him figured out.
Gotcha, thanks. Guess that means I'll keep grinding in Mementos.