Bobby Roberts
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[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Thread #2) - One Thumb Up
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minimumhippo
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I realize people might need some more closure after seeing this character they've known for so long die so suddenly, but I think I liked that a lot about it. It was sudden, it was cruel, no one had time to grieve because they had shit to do, but you know no one will forget what Kylo Ren did.
And yes, that bowcaster shot was amazing. Poor Chewie.
Spectral Glider
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Just got back from my second viewing, think I like it even more.
TheOctodad
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Are you only able to speak in hyperbole?
There has been an awakening... have you felt it?
brandonh83
Banned
This took me a second. LOL
I've seen the film several times now, and as discussions have taken place here, I go back and look for aspects of the film that relate to them specifically, so I can discuss them with a more informed perspective. It's why I concluded complaints about Rey's abilities are largely devoid of merit (it's all explained in her background and within the bounds of Luke in the OT, and she still screws up a few times badly), for example.
Today I was watching for a couple of things in particular. One was the lighting during Kylo's confrontation with Han, as someone pointed out the red/blue over his shoulders being a visualization of his internal struggle; a pretty great touch I had missed on prior viewings. Another was just how wounded Kylo was during that fight and if he magically went from injured to fine and back. And he doesn't, it's very consistently shown that he's hurt and is staggering through the entire fight. Yes he's still mobile, but it's clearly affecting him from start to finish.
Yeah, he shoots Kylo, then like seven troopers in a row then blows the whole place up (with Rey and Finn still up there, no less). He went completely nuts and it was great.
LOL
Baton Trooper is developing a fan following it seems.
this dude was great cause I like how the new outfits make them all look like weirdly fat short guys
im kinda conflicted in wether or not I would have prefered for him to be Phasma tho
- more weight to the fight with Finn since she already has a beef with him
- Phasma does fucking something
BUT I also liked that a random Stormtrooper had a badass moment handling himself rather than the usual "missing every single shot"
Chewie's the best. I'll never forgive the people who thought it was a good idea to kill him in the old canon.
That's pretty clearly what it's supposed to be. Finn doesn't wax poetry about his fallen comrades when talking about the First Order, he talks about how they're fucking evil and fucking terrifying.
There might have been some grief in that moment, but it's clearly not the focus of Finn's character development.
BlastProcessing
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That's fair.
One thing I liked about the comedy is that it's often used to further characterization. Guardians of the Galaxy did that as well. When you nail it I think it's very efficient storytelling.
I thought the blood on the helmet was a great scene. It humanized the storm troopers for the first time IMO. In the original trilogy you kinda just think of them as throw away enemies, never really thinking beyond that.
ryutaro's mama
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Posted this for you a few pages back but this thread moves so fast.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=190214660&postcount=11244
MistressMoitie
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let the finn x poe shipping commence (if it hasn't already)
Hot.
brandonh83
Banned
That look he gives Finn is so hard to deny.
also I don't know if this has been posted yet but William's score is uncannily similar to Goldsmith's score for Total Recall, especially this track at 3:11
minimumhippo
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Poe's the best (2nd best), I hope in the sequels he's not relegated to only X-wing pilot.
MisterHero
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You know what would've been badass
if Chewie actually saved Han's life
like if he swung in on a wire with the tarzan yell
if Chewie actually saved Han's life
like if he swung in on a wire with the tarzan yell
Yes, the dead Stormtrooper is his friend FN-2003 (aka "Slip"). Most of the First Order troopers have Clonetrooper-style nicknames, like FN-2199 ("Nines") and FN-2000 ("Zeroes"), except for Finn because he didn't really fit in with the others.
A lot of people like to speculates that Zeroes was the Riot Baton Trooper.
That's hilarious. That guy was completely out of place, George Lucas kind out of place.
Eh, I kinda give it a pass. This was a team of stormtroopers assembled to find and kill Luke Skywalker. They aren't going to even touch him with standard blasters. It stands to reason that they would be trained up with a weapon that can fight against a lightsaber user.
Poe and Finn will team up next movie, bet on it.
brandonh83
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Yeah I hear what you mean. Good ears.
Fuck yes.
could've been a good direction, but the movie didn't go there. when you see luke put his hand on R2 (a good scene actually) it could have delved deeper into what happened. didn't go there either.
it went.... back to the plot points of the original movies. lol, they rehashed the whole damn thing. that had to be intentional (intentional as in they know where they're going with this) so i'll refrain further judgement on that decision until i see how it plays out.
Spectral Glider
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Yes it was great, one of my favorite parts of the movie.
ryutaro's mama
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Is Finn's nickname ironically Double Murder?
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
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Yeah, I really liked Chewbacca in this. I think he was handled best of the returning characters.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
that guy was awesome. Too bad he died like Bane from The Dark Knight Rises -- this huge fight and all it took was a one second thing to kill him
i do kind of wish it was Phasma instead, so it didn't have a cheap death.
brandonh83
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To be fair it's easier to get Chewbacca right than attempting to direct Carrie Fisher in a serious role.
Doesn't count. I'm talking about in the movies. And it doesn't count... literally
Also like. Remus and Romulus did it better. Nothing is new under the binary sunset.
Already Torn
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Maybe he's not really dead, who knows what other secret technology he had?
BlastProcessing
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There is nothing that implies that that guy was his buddy. The blood on the helmet serves two purposes:
One it exposes Finn to some fucked up shit which makes him decide to GTFO. He wasn't stunned by that specific person's death, he was stunned by Death, full stop.
Two: It marks him for the audience.
There is way more craft going on here than you seem willing to admit. It really isn't a movie that seems preoccupied with using a preponderance of explosions to hide it's flaws or bamboozle the audience.
Bobby Roberts
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I think the movie absolutely rules it out. If she believes in Kylo so much that she thinks Han can bring him back even now, there's no way she sends Rey off to live with anyone else (and hides it from Han) because she's scared of the dark side claiming another child.
Messypandas
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Poe certainly has.
Poe got a bloody head from flying?
Legacy of the Force sucked.
It's the only possible reaction Chewie could have had. It was great, but I was almost certain Chewie was going to go down guns blazing in that moment... it just doesn't seem right to keep him alive without Han. Maybe he'll buddy up with Poe or Finn next time to fill the void.
I want to play as this guy in Battlefront. Dice give me this weapon as DLC!
LumpOfCole
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That's hilarious. That guy was completely out of place, George Lucas kind out of place.
If that weapon is made for the purpose of being anti-lightsaber, isn't it odd that the Stormtroopers are regularly equipping those in the first place? Does the First Order really expect to realistically come across enemies with lightsabers?
Its like you didnt understand kylo at all. He was never supposed to be the end of the galaxy as they know it in that movie. He was a bitch with some power being brain washed. End of story.
Spiritreaver
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And the flametrooper. Where my flamethrowers DICE?
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