ProudCanuck
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Lol so true
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[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Thread #2) - One Thumb Up
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seeing as the line isn't in the movie, we don't know who he's been talking to. We have literally zero information. So it might also be something he said to Ben Organa-Solo at the beginning of his training.
True, but in the end it didnt happen..
Hux seems to be willing to 'outrank' Ren when needed, but I when I think about it, Tarkin didnt seem to have much issues with Vader either; so I I guess that the whole Imperial general vs Evil Enforcer dynamic hasnt changed much.
Starsailor
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I can't be the only one to see similarities...
Personally, I feel it's the opposite. Ideally, Ren would have his anger issues in control. However, offing subordinates because of single mistakes is a moronic command tactic that makes the subordinates not fear you (or not ust fear you), but hate you. Realistically, such a policy causes its practitioners to kill off many of their own skilled leaders, while leaving the survivors demoralized, afraid to take initiative, more concerned with sucking up and dodging blame than with actually doing their jobs well, and inclined to either desert, defect, or kill their boss before he kills them.
Thrawn had it right. The way Vader and Palpatine did is stupid because killing failures leads to less innovation, and also people fight more effectively when their leader inspires them. So he didn't punish failure, just irredeemable stupidity. If a subordinate failed, but was smart in how he tried to go about the problem and earnestly loyal to the empire, he got promoted.
Wait what do you mean?
Oh you mean when Vader Force choked to death that dude. But that was in Empire. In ANH he didn't kill the dude he was choking.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jdQqjcsfC8
his arc went from being a soldier
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joining up with some weird chick and her little ball robot who want to find some space wizard - just so long as they were needed for him to save his own ass
to
eventually putting the life of a dear friend over his own and literally step into the lion's den.
Calm waterfall
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I thought about this, but it would be very stupid.
Why would they put it in the trailer then if not to pseudo-confirm Rey´s linage? A lot of things in the movie point to her being Luke´s daughter. Why would she have the vision when she first opened the box and touched the light saber? There has to be some blood connection there, or Luke´s light saber should not hold any significance to her.
Already Torn
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You're not! I'm thinking Uncle Luke could help Kylo see the light.I can't be the only one to see similarities...
Future PhaZe
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i disagree but im happy we have two well liked characters to where this is an argument
Kor of Memory
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I can see Kylo and Zuko walking a similar path.
I DO NOT see Rey as a parallel to Aang at all. Maybe MAYBE closer to Korra, but even that is a stretch.
Now I want Luke to be a parellel to Iroh, and give amazing advice that doesn't seem to have anything to do with the situation.
Good points. And I still hope we will see Thrawn, or at least his character type in the movies; I think he was one of the EU's best characters; he could be brutal, but like you said, he tried to do the 'right thing', even though he was working for the wrong side.
That's true as a Hero fighter. Is what I should of posted
cubicle47b
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Basically. I like Oscar Isaac as an actor and like his character in the movie, but come on.
I've never seen The Last Airbender. The only Anime thing TFA reminded me of was, Nausicaa, at the very beginning when Rey was looking for scraps.I can't be the only one to see similarities...
Dreams-Visions
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He wasn't supposed to be "strong".
He was supposed to be vulnerable but well-intentioned and hopeful. The "human" character that the audience can easily identify with that establishes the power difference between those who can use the force and who have real comat training and those that don't.
Starsailor
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I was meaning that the trilogy will show how the good side (rey) and the dark side (kylo) evolve. Star wars never did that before and i think they will be nemesis during the whole trilogy like Batman/Joker
Oh I agree with that, sorry that I didnt make that clear. But yeah, it seems to be the biggest pointer that it is a 'family affair', I just hope that they`ll make it kinda believeable, hehe.
Stallion Dan
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On the other hand, those two stormtroopers knew what was up.
Starsailor
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In the last airbender, the bad guy on the right is obsessed by the good guy (on the left) and want to destroy him to be more like his (bad) father) , but he's also tempted by the light side.
Much like Kylo Ren and i supposed in SW8 he will be obssesed by Rey and want to find her again.
George Oscar Bluth II
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Kylo and Zuko have completely different motivations plus Kylo is irredeemable right now. Zuko didn't pull any of the shit Kylo did.
Finn was mostly important with the shield stuff on starkiller but in general yea he didnt push it forward
Im curious how they will market him next time. As much as people like to say he was the heart of the film he wasn't exactly carrying alot of weight in terms of winning in action set pieces other then being a gunner.
Like, they can't do the same marketing strategy with him next movie on some "wow dude is so brave" because they played that card for this one and basically was outed as the janitor in space with heart. Nobody is going to buy that shit again a 2nd time.
Im curious how they will market him next time. As much as people like to say he was the heart of the film he wasn't exactly carrying alot of weight in terms of winning in action set pieces other then being a gunner.
Like, they can't do the same marketing strategy with him next movie on some "wow dude is so brave" because they played that card for this one and basically was outed as the janitor in space with heart. Nobody is going to buy that shit again a 2nd time.
With regards to selflessness / courage he was both Han Solo ("i gotta get outta here, i don't care for your war") and Luke ("we have to do the right thing. We have to save a person in danger") throughout the course of this film. It's a nice arc.
Calm waterfall
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And that pissed me off, not being in the movie, because i was waiting for it. It can´t be Ben because Ben already knew his linage. He knew about his mom, dad, and uncle, most likely his grandpa too. Why would Luke say that to Ben instead of someone who does not know their own history? It does not make sense that Luke is saying that to Ben.
Starsailor
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So Finn is...Ron Weasley?
It can be Ben as a child, Luke telling him about the Force.
Wow that's low man
WadiumArcadium
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Gets the girl and has a terrible assortment of knitted jumpers?
Starsailor
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Maybe when he was teaching the Force to him?
Did anyone else come away with the impression that Finn was a toned down human version of Jar Jar?
Hope they do a directors cut for the bluray release. Still super butt hurt that they took out the shot with the xwings flying over the water. Was literally like the coolest thing I've ever seen. Should have shaved a few seconds off one of Kylo's spaz sessions to get it in.
DrForester
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Finn is pretty cool, but he's not Ron Weasley cool.
i don't think the Line is meant to say "we're related"
it could be very well meant to say "your granpa was a jedi, your uncle's a jedi, your mom's somewhat of a jedi ... so guess what ... "
The explicit information of that sentence is "you have that power" not "we are related".
Just because Luke used it as a *nudge nudge* to inform Leia she's his sister doesn't mean he'll always be using that indirect way of speaking.
It doesn't make sense that Luke says it to anyone, other than Leia, whom he already said it too. They just played around with the conversation with Leia in ROTJ; it would have been silly to have Luke repeat that speech to someone else.
Nope, Finn is not Force sensitive.
Nah he aint that bad
crackhead_bob
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I like the very idea of exploring the road to damnation. Hollywood hasn't really explored that mythical archetype yet, aside from Gollum. They could go about it either way by the third film, but going with the anti-redemption story is an equally valid choice to make as well.
I like the fact that he's a villain who's not quite established yet. And I really like Adam Driver's performance in this -- both with the mask and without it. Alot of subtlety and focus in his deliveries. He's everything that Hayden Christensen was supposed to be in the prequels.
Another trope from the OT that I'd like to see this trilogy possibly subvert is having Kylo Ren deposing of Snoke. Make him as much of an obstacle to Ren as he will probably be to Rey. The Hero's Journey is a device that's always present in these types of genres, but rarely do you ever see the villain's journey. The best potential here is that you have two characters who's ascension can parallel one another from within their ranks, as opposed to the OT, where Vader was an already established villain while Luke was still in the early stages of his journey.
I don't really care for Anakin's journey in the prequels because of how poorly executed that film was. I now consider the original Star Wars trilogy as the Star Wars prequel worth watching.
I got the sense that Maz Kanata is force sensitive in the sense that, while not a jedi, the way she speaks seems to imply that she possess a faint measure of clairvuoyant abilities. At least that's the impression I got out of the cryptic use of her words to Rey. I always liked the notion of the Jedi Order having indirectly bringing about its own demise, and that the New Jedi Order that would emerge to take its place was one of more inclusiveness, and one that discarded outdated dogma and rituals. Similar to progressive catholic nuns or other religious followers who have adopted more progressive philosophies and discipline, while breaking away from the old.
I figure that it could either be Luke or Rey that ushers in that new type of regime. You could have Luke do away with the Jedi robes as one symbolic break from tradition, for example. I always found those robes to be impractical. The jedi are always having to disrobe everytime they engage in a light saber duel. It would also allow the writers to allow Rey to be in a romance. Contrary to many here in the discussion, I wouldn't mind her being in a relationship. Daisy Ridley did a fine job in Force Awakens. I have confidence that she would be up to the challenge in Episode VIII.
If anything, the prequels should have made an argument that because the Jedi Order seemed so out of touch from Anakin's point of view, that he felt justified in betraying the order. I'm sure there are Catholics who have been tempted to leave the church because of rigid clerical doctrine from the Vatican. The Jedi Order's vow of celibacy seems as out of touch within the Star Wars universe as the real life Catholic Church's demands upon its priests and nuns. I don't think that the prequels made a good argument. It seemed like the only thing the Jedi Council was ever guilty of was its members being stupid.
I think he`ll get a version of the Han Solo 'I dont want to get involved' storyline. He needs to find his 'cause to fight for', I'm sure that will be a the theme for him.
Am I the only one who is extremely worried about how episode 8 and episode 9 will turn out, when, -from the looks of it- it seems these movies will be made by completely different people in key roles?
Cinematographer is different, director is different, writer is different...
Who is there as a common denominator to keep things glued together and have a consistent vision?
I know the OT used different persons also in key positions, but Lucas as well as other people were involved in all 3 films to ensure that things will turn out like they are supposed to.
Cinematographer is different, director is different, writer is different...
Who is there as a common denominator to keep things glued together and have a consistent vision?
I know the OT used different persons also in key positions, but Lucas as well as other people were involved in all 3 films to ensure that things will turn out like they are supposed to.
Starsailor
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well Poe wants him and he wants Rey...
A love triangle with one men and one female for Finn...that would be an innovation for blockbusters
I think that is a given, in a philosophical way, after him killing his real father the next psychotic step is him killing Snoke.
WadiumArcadium
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Kathy Kennedy and the story group should be the glue. JJ's also on VIII as EP, though I don't know how prominent his role will be. Rian Johnson's writing and directing VIII and doing at least the story treatment for IX. We don't know who's writing the screenplay yet. I'm pretty confident it'll all fit together. There seems to be a good level of continuity with Rian visiting TFA set and speaking with JJ a lot. Treverrow will be doing the same with VIII's filming.
Dubbedinenglish
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Yeah. That was my feeling too, but "boy does he have heart."
Kathleen Kennedy? The Story group? JJ will be a producer for 8, and I would guess Johnson will be a producer on 8, to help with the transition.
Edit: Beaten.
dragonyeuw
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I would say Leia's body language towards Rey is definitely one of familiarity.
George Oscar Bluth II
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Ron Weasley was actually kinda competent in the books, damn it.
Stallion Dan
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He'll be the new Solo, different, but same sort of role. Probably chewbacca's new bud.
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