Psycho_Mantis
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Thats a lie. BD got numerous TV commercials.
I see you cannot respond to any of my replies properly. I shouldn't be surprised though.
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Square Enixs "Tokyo RPG Factory" sees a 244 Million yen loss
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Thats a lie. BD got numerous TV commercials.
I see you cannot respond to any of my replies properly. I shouldn't be surprised though.
244 Million yen is't very much when you consider this doesn't factor in sales from the Western release. Not to mention that I assume some of this loss is associated with starting a new company/division.
Not sure some of these doom and gloom responses here fit with the overall narrative.
That said, this game probably should have been priced at 29.99.
I paid $40 for this to support the game and Tokyo RPG Factory in the hopes that the next game has a little more oomph behind it. I did enjoy IAS and it is a nice throwback game with a lot of elements I enjoy. I was happy with it.
Not sure some of these doom and gloom responses here fit with the overall narrative.
That said, this game probably should have been priced at 29.99.
I paid $40 for this to support the game and Tokyo RPG Factory in the hopes that the next game has a little more oomph behind it. I did enjoy IAS and it is a nice throwback game with a lot of elements I enjoy. I was happy with it.
I'm not sure you should be criticising other people's posts in this thread without reflecting on your own to be honest.
Neoleo2143
Member
For a start up, this ain't bad. Setsuna was kinda dull but I want to see where this dev studio goes. May their future be bright.
GhostTrick
Banned
That's not a lie. The Directs were what gave BD most exposure. Not these 15 seconds TV spots.
I am Setsuna is literally the same, we can even say it had even less marketing than BD2
either way, this is a shame, Tokyo RPG Factory, while i have some issues with Setsuna, i hope they can continue and improve on their next games, and that SE gives them more exposure
And Pokemon Sun and Moon will outsell Persona 5,6,7 and 8 put together...
I hope they can find a place for them, I enjoy these type of classic RPGs.
Yup, the level of asset reusage was pretty telling. And they literally had to call the rerelease of the first "for the sequel" to make it clear they needed funds to even make it happen. Hopefully Asano gets another shot to make a new RPG on the next handheld.
Yup, the level of asset reusage was pretty telling. And they literally had to call the rerelease of the first "for the sequel" to make it clear they needed funds to even make it happen. Hopefully Asano gets another shot to make a new RPG on the next handheld.
Setsuna had multiple trade show appearances, a far bigger Famistu push and a ton of web marketing. Plus SE actually bothered publishing it worldwide. I don't think it's really accurate to say Bravely Second got a bigger promotional push.
i think the problem with squenix is that they have some insane expectations. I remember tomb raider sold over 3million copies in the first month of release and then squenix comes out and says it missed its sales target.....
my assumption for this game was.. they were expecting 500k copies probably for this or something insane that wasn't pushed at all in the west..
my assumption for this game was.. they were expecting 500k copies probably for this or something insane that wasn't pushed at all in the west..
kamineko
Does his best thinking in the flying car
I assume SE thought that Setsuna could carry the costs of a small studio start-up?
That's not a completely crazy assumption, but they picked the wrong game. I wanted to love this game, and, on paper, that looks like the most likely outcome. The old-school presentation and ATB is my kind of thing
But I really hated the flux system. Rather than innovative, it seems needlessly opaque, as does the spritnite (or whatever) systems. Games like this live and die by their systems--I doubt I'll ever finish it
That's not a completely crazy assumption, but they picked the wrong game. I wanted to love this game, and, on paper, that looks like the most likely outcome. The old-school presentation and ATB is my kind of thing
But I really hated the flux system. Rather than innovative, it seems needlessly opaque, as does the spritnite (or whatever) systems. Games like this live and die by their systems--I doubt I'll ever finish it
But I am "Setsuna"
the thoroughbred
Member
244 million Yen is nothing. Here in London we have closets worth more.
No, you are Gundam.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Marketing wise, TV commercials are far more notable concerning budget than directs.
Honestly, being in the target market of the game, I was bearish on the it when it was first announced (worried it would just be a cheap cash-in that misses what people love about classic RPGs) but bought it on a lark and am really enjoying it.
After this game I was looking forward to seeing what the team could do with more of a budget, but I guess that's not happening
KingdomHeartsFan
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500k? They'd need to sell well under 100k to offset these losses.
Andrew Evenstar
Member
I have to agree here. Setsuna wasn't appealing to me.
Yeah, I also feel this is premature given that it's been out for, what, two whole weeks in the US.
Possible that their fiscal year ended before they got paid by Steam and Sony, though, which is why that's being reported now.
Steam pays out monthly, but Sony pays out quarterly. So they won't see any money from Sony until the end of September.
And, yes, Sony's take is 30%, as is Steam's.
Part of the problem could've been the messaging, though - they pretty much said it was low-budget from the outset, and the trailers reflected that.
It honestly probably would've done better if they'd ponied up enough money for a few more environment types, which probably wouldn't have been that much with what they're doing here.
And_Gignac
Member
TWO MILLION DOLLARS
the earnings report is before the western release. why is so hard for ppl to understand that simple concept. talk to me when they show the July 2016 earnings.Honestly, being in the target market of the game, I was bearish on the it when it was first announced (worried it would just be a cheap cash-in that misses what people love about classic RPGs) but bought it on a lark and am really enjoying it.
After this game I was looking forward to seeing what the team could do with more of a budget, but I guess that's not happening
Ragnorok64
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Im really trying to figure out if there is even much of a story here. This is a newly set up studio, that's part of a huge developer, that has only released one game, in one region, less than 6 months ago. How could they even be expected to make a profit at this point unless they somehow released an S tier blockbuster that took the world by storm?
Because I can't read. Sorry.
But it will never beat Pokemon Go made by Gaijins!
Interesting post, thanks for the info re: PSN (the console digital markets are pretty unknown to us as far as I can tell).
I think the game will be fine. Not a great success perhaps but then the game isn't really quite good enough for that anyway. I would guess it's performing more or less inline with their expectations. Maybe now that they have this title under their belt they can get more funding and produce a higher quality product.
Correct, and even an S tier blockbusters may not recoup all the costs in only just over a month. (Adjusting for larger studio start up costs, development costs and marketing costs of course) There is definitely a lot of premature desperation here, and I would wager a guess (using figures from the thread that Setsuna has already sold 110k copies in Japan as of the end of June) that the game is relatively close to breking even already, with Western sales yet to be added to it. I'd say this is good news rather than bad news.
Hey, I can't create new thread so I share with you an itw with Setsuna director. Although I haven't played at Setsuna, the itw was interesting.
http://kotaku.com/q-a-i-am-setsuna-director-talks-feedback-snow-and-wh-1784829458
http://kotaku.com/q-a-i-am-setsuna-director-talks-feedback-snow-and-wh-1784829458
DiipuSurotu
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HypnoDarkrai
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Robert at Zeboyd Games
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I'm guessing #13 for Setsuna means that it sold roughly on par with the Steam version which according to SteamSpy is at around 22k. Which accounting for standard platform holder takes & fees, would mean over $1 million in less than a month. Seems obvious that Setsuna will be profitable in the long run if it isn't already.
And flappy doge will outsell them all.
synce
Member
Next time spend more money on marketing the game. I had no idea it existed and when I finally did hear about it, I initially shrugged it off as a random indie
That said, when I finally looked into it and gave it a try I fell in love. Maybe they can make some money from word of mouth at least
That said, when I finally looked into it and gave it a try I fell in love. Maybe they can make some money from word of mouth at least