Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Well we have Alekhine's Gun but...yeah.
lmao that second gif
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Square-Enix trying to sell off IO Interactive (Hitman)
- Thread starter Edge_Maverick
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lmao that second gif
A lot here complained about hitman absolution, but for people who never played hitman before, hitman absolution actually was quite entertaining game, whether it stick to the original formula or not.
I still play it time to time.
Current hitman episodic release was a mistake.
They greenlighted Nier Automata. What makes you think that.
I still play it time to time.
Current hitman episodic release was a mistake.
They greenlighted Nier Automata. What makes you think that.
IgotElbows
Member
I'm sure someone must have said it, but Hitman Absolution has been in multiple humble bundles, and even once or twice was in the ONE DOLLAR bundle.
So to compare its sales to the new Hitman is very unfair.
So to compare its sales to the new Hitman is very unfair.
Prototype Viktor
Member
Ftfy
ULTROS!
People seem to like me because I am polite and I am rarely late. I like to eat ice cream and I really enjoy a nice pair of slacks.
I dunno but the Japanese arm is starting to shape up a bit...
Hitman 2016 has only 19k ratings on PSN.
Compare to other games NieR(44k a relatively niche title),The Evil within(79k people rated it)Bloodborne(A mega hit with 230k+ ratings)
These numbers can be used to tell that the game did terrible...It just didnt sell well at all.
Really great game but it tanked.Its an established franchise that I think failed to meet NieR-level sales numbers.
Compare to other games NieR(44k a relatively niche title),The Evil within(79k people rated it)Bloodborne(A mega hit with 230k+ ratings)
These numbers can be used to tell that the game did terrible...It just didnt sell well at all.
Really great game but it tanked.Its an established franchise that I think failed to meet NieR-level sales numbers.
IgotElbows
Member
I think the episodic thing was a real turn off for people.
And you can really only 'launch' a game once.
It was the first 60$ Triple A episodic game wasn't it?
I think it'd done better if it wasn't for it being episodic.
And you can really only 'launch' a game once.
It was the first 60$ Triple A episodic game wasn't it?
I think it'd done better if it wasn't for it being episodic.
ElMexiMerican
Member
When would they have released it though? The season ended October 31st, and the complete first season disc release didn't come out until January 31st. If it had released anytime during those time frames it would get absolutely slaughtered by everything coming out regardless.They'd have to wait it out until around this time, which I'm still doubtful it would have done much better than it has been now.
More_Badass
Member
Why can indie games and mid-tier games be various prices and models, but AAA can only be $60 and whatnot? If a game works best in different models, being able to experiment should be encouraged.
As a huge fan of the series, I was wary of the episodic model, but it worked so well for Hitman that it felt like the gold standard for what kind of games worked best with the episodic structure. Not narrative-focused games like Life Is Strange and The Walking Dead, but stuff like Hitman, games with distinct sandbox levels and freeform gameplay and intense focus on systemic design
You might have been surprised by just how perfectly Hitman and episodic dovetailed together
GameAddict411
Member
Honestly, the naming scheme seemed to fail them pretty badly. It was hard for me to distinguish the 2016 game from the older titles from just the cover. I had to actually look at the release date on steam. It's that bad.
I don't see any publisher buying a studio without their attached IP, because if all theyre gonna get is the talent theyre better off waiting for the the studio to close tbh.
When Sony sold off their online division they also sold off all their associated IPs.
Also from what I remember no one bought Lionhead since MS didn't budge on selling the Fable IP as well.
Agreed. I mentioned this in another thread, but I think Thief would be another game to really benefit from this model (at least from a design standpoint, maybe not commercially).
Lord knows I would have preferred 6 Ground Zeroes-like packs instead of what we got with MGSV.
SuperStiltzkin
Member
Well we have Alekhine's Gun but...yeah.
This is my favorite gif.
Really depends what they are buying the studio for. If you just need people to throw at projects, buying an already established studio can be a pretty economical and fast way to go about it.
For SOE, that wasn't a division being sold, that was a whole company. It was always going to include the IPs.
Baron_Calamity
Member
I was thinking that as well... HOWEVER, we know that relationship will go bad fast. So I'm torn if I want that or not.
MrS
Banned
Oh my dayssss I just spit coffee everywhere. Thank you, Dick.
Locuza
Member
According to an unnamed source the german Gamestar reports that the IP rights for Hitman will stay with IO Interactive and not with the publisher Square-Enix.
They also report that season 2 is half way through development.
Currently they look for new investors.
https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gamestar.de%2Fspiele%2Fhitman%2Fnews%2Fhitman_ist_gerettet%2C48985%2C3313967.html&edit-text=
They also report that season 2 is half way through development.
Currently they look for new investors.
https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gamestar.de%2Fspiele%2Fhitman%2Fnews%2Fhitman_ist_gerettet%2C48985%2C3313967.html&edit-text=
Interfectum
Member
Please be true.
Vigilant Walrus
Member
I don't think gaming is different from anything else in that people object to something being different. The problems that you're ironing out by trying to do something different (like the problems they had with keeping the servers up) was held up against it, and used an example for why people should stay the way they are; buy a 60 dollars game at release, and have that be the only way things can ever be.
Obviously this is a petty way to reason and think about new things, but unfortunately it's the world we live in.
Hitman is one of the few games that lends itself perfectly to a Episodic game. Not only is each level always structured like it's own game or story, there is little in terms of a tight narrative. This makes it an obvious candidate for episode releases.
There is a shit ton of games where I would jump in for 12 dollars. I don't want to spend 60 on Mad Max, and I have no desire to go beyond 1-2 hours. But I'd jump in for a self sustained portion of the game for 12.
And I feel like that about a lot of games who waste my time by overstaying their welcome and reusing mechanics that get old quicker than they can justify the 60 dollars price tag.
Hitman is an opportunity to structure games differently and the way they are priced. I see its model as the way forward. Obviously without the bad aspects like latecomers never being able to do those exclusive contracts or servers that fail to stay online. I really like the idea of what it does. And I like the idea of collaborative development between releasing an episode, and then taking feedback from players on what the next episode needs and has to have.
If we can get to a place where the framework can be pushed out relatively quickly then we can really do something special. The problem has always been that episodic games (Half-Life episodes being a good example) took way way too long. They are such a big amount of work to do that many developers look to alternative ways to make money post-launch because it's a grueling experience. I bet Rockstar was just like "fuck this shit" with regards to episodic single player content for GTA. It's just not worth it currently. Better tools are needed to speed up workflow. Nobody wants episodic content that takes many months and years to come out. That defeats the purpose. Then you might as well do sequels.
FrontalMonk
Banned
This is good news. I just hope that they find the right investors.
PhantomThief
Banned
Damn I hope that shit is true
Lets hope.
Barry Burton
Member
Keeping my fingers crossed. It'd be such a shame for them to get so much right with the new Hitman, and have a great foundation set for the future of the game/series, only to have the plug pulled.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
hope this is true and not some false hope
Eidos owns the IP iirc, and Eidos is now SE-EU, but I do hope they keep the rights. I always thought the online division of Sony became more of an independent thing (RIP Everquest line)
hence why I hope the unnamed source is true, but I feel like it's too good to be true
Baron_Calamity
Member
That seemed likely. IOI and known employee's didn't seem concerned when the announcement came out.
Without the Hitman IP are they really worth much? Why not just start up a new studio and try to poach most of their talented people. It will be cheaper long term.
Coma Ecliptic
Member
With Microsoft's current track record for acquiring studios and their output I really hope they don't. It would almost be as bad as EA buying them.
Nordic or Devolver seems possible, but we don't know about what kind of ROI they're looking for.
SkylineRKR
Member
Square Enix is a shitty company that handles double standards.
They turn a blind eye to messes such as FFXV, and KH3 no shows. They set unrealisticly high targets for the likes of Tomb Raider, cut Deus Ex in half and then they're complaining that those games underperform. They underperform because of their own shit. Rise shouldn't have been exclusive and Deus Ex MD should've been handled differently.
They are worse than Bethesda.
They turn a blind eye to messes such as FFXV, and KH3 no shows. They set unrealisticly high targets for the likes of Tomb Raider, cut Deus Ex in half and then they're complaining that those games underperform. They underperform because of their own shit. Rise shouldn't have been exclusive and Deus Ex MD should've been handled differently.
They are worse than Bethesda.
dr_rus
Member
Hopefully this will end well although it's hard to see that any other publisher would be interested in investing without actually buying the studio.
The Giant
Banned
That would actually be good for Nintendo. Make IO Interactive develop mature ips.
Good for Nintendo, bad for anyone that wants to play their games outside of Nintendo.
Same goes for anyone wanting Sony or Microsoft buying them.
I hope they drop the mandatory Online to progress BS for season 2.
This.
Hoping that a decent 3rd party publisher gets them...
We would at least get a few really good games from them if Bioware, DICE or Criterion are anything to judge by.
InsaneTiger
Member
No, neither should Sony or Nintendo.
PhantomThief
Banned
Exactly, this shouldnt be exclusive to any one console at all.
That was a publisher decision.
I imagine if IO could keep the IP and make the intended two additional Seasons, this always-online thing would be the first thing patched out.