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Star Citizen's off-shoot Squadron 42 probably won't make 2017 either
- Thread starter LordOfLore
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People don't get it.
They didn't start with $161,000,000. They didn't start with the 300+ employees they have now. They started with 8.
On the flip side of this coin, how much do you think it costs to pay 300+ employees a year?
old manatee
Banned
I should reinstall star citizen one of these days. There's probably at least something to do in it now.
iHaunter
Member
I don't recommend anyone pay anything until it's released.
I just did to support the development.
Probably 12-16 million a year, they probably pay lower than average due to it being a start-up. They have made some bad investments in the past though, I forget the name of that company that did their FPS- messed it up so badly they had to redo it themselves costing even more money.
I think they should've stuck with one thing, their funds/studio isn't big enough for 2 AAA titles. I think SQ42 first would've been smart, then Star Citizen second afterwards while you work on SQ42 Episode II and have the pipeline to make it easier.
$20-40 million if I was to guess. Hard to know their salaries and overhead specifically. It does make you wonder why they'd hire so much staff if the whole thing is a scam and they aren't making a game though.
Edit:
There isn't. Wait for 3.0.
They can take their time if they release what they are promising to do, Good games take time.
Most people don't realise (which is shocking) but most games are announce when they are 50% complete. No one announces anything when it only have concept design.
The problem is, Star Citizen appears to be in longer development cycle because we have been following it at 0%
Most people don't realise (which is shocking) but most games are announce when they are 50% complete. No one announces anything when it only have concept design.
The problem is, Star Citizen appears to be in longer development cycle because we have been following it at 0%
RubberJohnny
Banned
None of those include the various outsourcing studios they made use of, which included:
- Illfonic
- Behaviour
- Massive Black
- Void Alpha
- CGBot
- Confetti Special FX
- Streamline Studios
- Cubic Motion
- Moon Collider
- 3lateral
- Atomahawk Design
- Armory Studios
- And now Faceware
Baron_Calamity
Member
This game will never come out. The company is going to implode like 38 studios.
iHaunter
Member
Great contribution to the thread.
Outrun
Member
The problem is that, until recently, CIG could not make the deadlines that they themselves set.
That has nothing to do with people not understanding game development.
To their credit, CIG does not declare any set dates now.
The Illiterati
Member
This is what happens when you focus on the gloss and shine of your facade of a game without trying to make a game first. But don't worry I'm sure they'll have a dozen more ships for you to buy and a few more CGI commercials.
iHaunter
Member
No one is turning a blind eye to anything, they've made many mistakes, as others have mentioned.
RubberJhonny just has a giant hate-boner for some reason.
Goddamit! lmao
Came in here expecting the usual Star Citizen thread, but something about this gif totally caught off guard.
EDIT: Rest of thread meeting expectations.
Giftofgab24
Member
Look at these scamwarez!
I funded the development of persona 5 and the last guardian? I had no idea. Did I miss the part where they were selling special persona masks for $1500 a pop too?
Giftofgab24
Member
Yes. You compromise the fucking content. All devs have to do it. The scope of this project has blew up way out of the league of what was initially promised. It's called feature creep, but I feel like you're well aware of that.
Glass Shark
Banned
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Outrun
Member
This looks fun, can I play?
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Yep, there is no problem with SC and SQ42's development...
Sad Affleck
Member
Man, the wait is killing me.
To be fair, beyond simply taking the piss I just wanted to point out the absurdity of SuperBanana's argument. Saying "These delayed games came out, so SC will come out" is just as dumb as my "These delayed games were cancelled, so SC will not come out"
Full disclosure: I backed the original SC at $35 or whatever the "get the game" tier was
I am mostly incredulous that so many people keep buying ships for a game that isn't out yet, with no idea what the economy will be like, etc. What happens if (when) a money making exploit is discovered early on and suddenly everyone can afford ships people paid thousands of real $$$ for?
Yui's Empire
Member
This is important. You can throw stuff at the game until eternity and it will never be over, and by the time you get close you'll be incredibly obsolete gameplay and graphics-wise and thus losing even more time. We saw the exact same thing going on with Duke Nukem Forever. Did the game come out eventually? Sure it did, after the developers bankrupted, closed up the game as it were for free in their free time, then another developer picked up the title for free and attempted to make it a somewhat coherent package that still was lacking and ran like shit. I wouldn't be surprised if this game had a somewhat similar fate.
Alter_Fridge
Member
Perfection
Peroroncino
Member
can't say I'm too surprised about that
iHaunter
Member
I agree to an extend, but it's kind of pointless now.
The "Feature Creep" problem was an issue, but almost all of the features they wanted are either developed (With 3.0) or coming with a patch or two after. I do agree that they need to STOP adding things until a substantial amount of the game is completed already.
I am sure most studios never meet deadlines they set themselves internally (which we never find out) due to them not being announced.
MisterAnderson
Member
I'm hopeful that the feature creep has finally ended and they will now focus on delivering the game asap. Regardless, I'm fine with waiting until it's completed, so long as it ends up being good. Personally, I'm more interested in the persistent online version than I am for S42 anyway, but that sucks for initial backers who backed primarily for S42.
Ninja Scooter
Member
People don't get it.
They didn't start with $161,000,000. They didn't start with the 300+ employees they have now. They started with 8.
I don't know that most would think they are intentionally scamming, but it's certainly becoming more and more possible that they are mismanaged and in over their heads.
Missing internal milestones is one of the things that gets most games cancelled.
Devilgunman
Member
I think the fans are totally ok with this.
NervousXtian
Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
The logic hoops that SC fans jump through to justify this debacle never ceases to amuse me.
Whenever this comes out.. I hope it's good. I don't think it will be.
Whenever this comes out.. I hope it's good. I don't think it will be.
iHaunter
Member
I don't think that's it, CR has managed large studios before.
The problem is making two AAA games with a studio this small doesn't work, I think it was a bit greedy to do both at once.
I'm glad that Erin Roberts ended the feature creep though.
And most SC bashers have 0 idea of what they're talking about.
Ninja Scooter
Member
I would think that biting off more than you can chew like you are describing, setting internal milestones that you can't meet, missing deadlines, ect...are all examples of mismanagement. It doesn't mean their intentions are nefarious or they are trying to rip people off, but it's also not good. Sounds like development hell.
iHaunter
Member
Oh I agree, there was definite mismanagement for sure. But I think it's become quite stabilized now. Wish it was this stable from the get-go. To be fair, CR did build a studio from nothing and has made great games in the past, that's where the trust came from initially.
Though there's a ton of valid criticism as well.
That being said, I do look forward to see how SQ42 progress is.
RubberJohnny
Banned
They went a year over deadline on their latest patch, over by 300%, what world are you living in where that isn't exactly the kind of mismanagement he talked about?
waitwhat42
Member
All it took was $30 to fund the game and get a copy. If people wanted more they could do that too. People can do what they want with their money.
Then they'd miss the date again and look silly.
Dreams-Visions
Member
I am officially getting off this train via refund if this misses 2017 as well.
I keep saying I'm going to stay on the train and wait after target date after target date is missed.
I'm really over this one, bros. I'll put my refund towards Frontier's Elite Dangerous skins or something. At least they have an actual product with a growth cycle I can see, understand and reasonably rely on when it comes to delivery.
I keep saying I'm going to stay on the train and wait after target date after target date is missed.
I'm really over this one, bros. I'll put my refund towards Frontier's Elite Dangerous skins or something. At least they have an actual product with a growth cycle I can see, understand and reasonably rely on when it comes to delivery.
Yes, confound those darn people for taking dates written on the official site as having any value!
Didn't they announce a new "face over IP" feature about a month ago? That seems like classical feature creep, especially for a would-be MMO that according to evocati leaks still slows down hard when there's just a handful of players on the server
DouglasteR
Member
Just buy the game and help defeat those pesky aliens.
ANOTHER ONE SAVED FROM THE ABYSS BROS !
Uhhhhhhhh... If you and Chris Roberts doesn't spit in your own hands, shake hands, then look deeply into each others' eyes as he says "I PROMISE the date will be ____________", then it's just an estimate. No promises were made. A date being on their official website means nothing, as does the CEO of the company standing on stage and saying when he believes it will be out.
This is all normal, btw.
iHaunter
Member
Done by a 3rd-party.
Not taking resources away from the development team, thankfully.
No ones stopping you, you pretend like ED had a perfect development cycle?
They had many missed deadlines and they charges and overcharged for their game so much. There's still nothing to do other than haul cargo around. I'm curious to see what developments will be made long-term.
Ha, no. That is a massive underestimate.
Crimsonclaw111
Member
If I had backed it I certainly would've tried for a refund at this point. I'm not that patient though.