angelic
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licensing, and Nintendo dont like inaccurate emulation...although that seems to be relaxing now. This snes mini is a bunch of roms on the nes mini hardware, it's a bit of a cash grab if we're all honest.
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Star Fox 2: Dreaming the Impossible Dream
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licensing, and Nintendo dont like inaccurate emulation...although that seems to be relaxing now. This snes mini is a bunch of roms on the nes mini hardware, it's a bit of a cash grab if we're all honest.
We don't know 100% for sure, but depending on what legal entity owned the patent on the FX chip, Nintendo couldn't legally emulate the chip because they wouldn't be able to claim a clean room reverse engineering of it, since they were directly involved in implementing it into the SNES. Emulator creators can legally reverse engineer the chip while Nintendo could not legally emulate it themselves.
It just so happens that any patents on the FX chip expired very recently, within the last couple of years, mooting any such restrictions.
woopWOOP
Member
Sorry to hear about your brother OP, my condolences
I'm pretty happy about SF2 having an official release myself, just because it means Fay and Miyu are somewhat canon. More than being a pair of unreleased beta characters atleast! Curious how the finished product differs from the fan-translated rom too.
As for other impossible dreams, unless they ever bother to even have a Virtual Boy VC service up and running there's no way an unreleased Virtual Boy game will ever, ever be released to the public. But still. having Dragon Hopper salvaged and released would make me pretty happy, that game looked cute.
I'm pretty happy about SF2 having an official release myself, just because it means Fay and Miyu are somewhat canon. More than being a pair of unreleased beta characters atleast! Curious how the finished product differs from the fan-translated rom too.
As for other impossible dreams, unless they ever bother to even have a Virtual Boy VC service up and running there's no way an unreleased Virtual Boy game will ever, ever be released to the public. But still. having Dragon Hopper salvaged and released would make me pretty happy, that game looked cute.
Monkeyball
Banned
I clicked through a playthrough on Youtube. It's less than 2 hours? And looks pretty bad.
it is bad. sf64 was the proper sequel, Nintendo was right for canning sf2.
stan423321
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On VC? No Super FX game got there. Most notably SNES Yoshi's Island. So it was assumed that they either have unusually hard time emulating it or Argonaut owned some rights to the chip itself as opposed to the game (since their involvement with Yoshi's Island was minimal). The other "common" accelerator chip, SA-1, got some games on VC.
In the nineties? It wasn't the only problem but it made cartridge more expensive.
angelic
Banned
correct, and even more reason the snes mini is a cash grab...nintendo has hundreds if not thousands of unreleased, almost finished games that they dont feel meet the market quality. It shows that theyre really relaxing some attitudes to basically let a beta out into the wild officially.
Dont get me wrong, the snes mini is a decent product, but starfox 2 is not a good game. Oh and by the way, not the right place, but the mini doesnt even come with an AC adaptor, that's how cash-grabby it is.
That's an EU thing, and applies to lots of Nintendo's products, not just the SNES Mini.
Kissenkopf
Banned
But what you played was the beta and this is the finished version no one ever had their hands on...especially twenty years ago, a game could have get some big changes a few months before launch.
stan423321
Member
Yep. In case of the classic systems they're intended for HDMI TVs which usually have an USB socket so it's not that much of a problem, and they are probably pretty annoyed by incompatible sockets (there are loads of socket standards in EU, but if you skip ground you can address most of them but UK/Ireland one with a single plug). It's way more of an annoyance in case of 3DSes.
angelic
Banned
Oh is it? its still pretty mean considering its now £80 from £50
You may be right, but I thought it was widely known that it was basically the finished product. I can't see them going back into the code and doing anything significate beyond touching up a few assets, if that. Im just really surprised NIntendo feel comfortable releasing it.
It's not really a beta though is it? It was fully QA'd and was ready to release, canned for market strategy purposes.
Is starfox 64 also not like 2 hours long?
Well yes, that was widely known that it was basically finished, but the version that is out in the wild right now is not the finished version according to someone involved in the game. (Dylan Cuthbert)
Besides, this is an extra that Nintendo decided to release so maybe they aren't comfortable releasing it as a standalone even on the eShop. It is a nice little bonus regardless.
Mother 3 localization
Monster Hunter XX Switch localization
Shadow of Eternal fund by Nintendo E3 2018 announcement
Shenmue 3...oh wait!
Baten Kaitos HD collection for Switch by Monolith soft
The dream!!!
Fixed. But yeah, this is what got me this morning. Super excited for SF2 (managed to snag a SNES Classic last night) but it's insane we got this game before Mother 3. Star Citizen will come out before English Mother 3 at this rate.
Mother 3 localization
Monster Hunter XX Switch localization
Shadow of Eternal fund by Nintendo E3 2018 announcement
Shenmue 3...oh wait!
Baten Kaitos HD collection for Switch by Monolith soft
I'll add the following:
New F-Zero and/or F-Zero X remake or GX remaster
Seiken Densetsu Collection localization funded by Nintendo
Dai Gyakuten Saiban 1 + 2 localization funded by Nintendo
Super Mario Sunshine HD by Bluepoint
"Original Edition" of Donkey Kong that has Pie Factory stage (as included as pre-installed game on special EU Wii bundle) released on VC
Any others we're missing in terms of dream announcements?
Gusy
Member
My condolences OP.
I've never played any of the SF2 leaks. Are there any standard "on rails flying above a planet surface" levels like in SF1?. So far all I've seen are weird walker stages and a few all-range mode type levels. I hope there's standard on rails flying sections cause that's my jam..
Talking about obscure never released ports for the snes, I would love to see the canceled Comanche port that was in development in the esrly 90's. A voxel engine running on the snes would've been so cool..
I've never played any of the SF2 leaks. Are there any standard "on rails flying above a planet surface" levels like in SF1?. So far all I've seen are weird walker stages and a few all-range mode type levels. I hope there's standard on rails flying sections cause that's my jam..
Talking about obscure never released ports for the snes, I would love to see the canceled Comanche port that was in development in the esrly 90's. A voxel engine running on the snes would've been so cool..
TheMoon
Member
I assume you mean Earthbound Beginnings/Mother 1
StarFox 2 would still be the first release of a totally unreleased game, though (at least Mother 1 came out in Japan)
At least since Zelda Master Quest/Ura Zelda.
No, I meant Earthbound. That was a huge megaton back in 2013.
They have no problem releasing finished stuff sitting in a drawer somewhere.
Well, look at Sin & Punishment on the Wii VC back then. That was similar.
NES version? Eww, who would want that.
TheMoon
Member
If you only read the first page of the thread where I commented on this twice and even linked to Cuthbert's interview
I can think of two holy grails still in Nintendo's possession. Bound High and Dragon Hopper. Those were finished, DH even reviewed by Nintendo Power and BH leaked a while ago. But those are Virtual Boy titles, so their demand wouldn't nearly be as high. Unless Nintendo releases a Virtual Boy Classic with them bundled, lol.
Virtual Boy Classic would just be two laser pointers duct taped to an SNES Mini
Okami Haundo
Member
Star Fox 2 gives me hope that the Mother 3 rumors are real. Please Nintendo! At the very least I hope this means we'll see it released on Switch's eventual VC.
Isn't that just master quest?
TheMoon
Member
I've answered this now 3? times in this thread lol
first page has an interview source from Cuthbert on this Q.
poppos2097
Member
If you only read the first page of the thread where I commented on this twice and even linked to Cuthbert's interview
Great to hear it from the man himself that they did finish it, better late than never.
Shifty1897
Member
Cuthbert has gone on record like 10 times about this. The roms that were released were alpha and beta stuff. No polish, no QA. Polish can go a long way, I remember reading an interview with Druckmann where he said something like The Last of Us was tracking for an 70-80 metascore until the last six weeks of development.
LightningXCE
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It's already been clarified that it's not the ROM that was leaked (that one was ~80 done)
TheMoon
Member
there's more specifics from today: http://www.ign.com/articles/2017/06...u-are-about-its-inclusion-on-the-snes-classic
AtomicShroom
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UrxqVYODho
Apparently this is footage from the fully completed StarFox 2. As you can see the final world map is completely different, the text and fonts are different, and various other differences compared to the ROM that's out there. This should be the version we're getting!
Apparently this is footage from the fully completed StarFox 2. As you can see the final world map is completely different, the text and fonts are different, and various other differences compared to the ROM that's out there. This should be the version we're getting!
MrCunningham
Member
Relevant parts....
So basically, Nintendo has "master copies" of this game for multiple regions. Which means that they are final release builds and not 'nearly completed' versions.
Also...
This version went through balancing and playtesting from the Mario Club QA in Japan and is less buggy than the leaked betas.
twothunder
Member
saw lots of tweets about Star Fox 2 and a growing amount of Miyu and Fay fanart out of nowhere. Guess i know why now.
They certainly took their time to release this
So. the final officially released version of the game will hopefully be an improvement over the leaked version. that's good
They certainly took their time to release this
So. the final officially released version of the game will hopefully be an improvement over the leaked version. that's good
NipplesAndToes23
Member
Oh this is what Star Fox 2 is!
sixteen-bit
Member
was the launch party pic posted?
better late than never!
better late than never!
stan423321
Member
Not really, those dungeon object layouts started as part of the same project but at some point this was way more ambitious. One thing I remember was a bunch of relatively persistent footsteps, and loads of other expansive savefile things. I guess a lot of overhyped/cancelled/changed games are like that. OoT expansion just sounds like a victim of weird circumstances with hardware.
SuperLeviathan
Member
I'm intrigued about what the SNES Classic version is going to play like. If Cuthbert is serious about the leaked beta not having Rouge-like gameplay, and isn't just trying to make the ROM seem undesirable to appease Nintendo, then the gold master could be a completely different game experience.
We shall see. I wonder if the rerelease of the SNES games means that the series can go back farther than 64 for the next reboot. I also wonder if we'll see a stage or some other kind of SF2 representation (remixed music, etc.) for the next Smash game.
We shall see. I wonder if the rerelease of the SNES games means that the series can go back farther than 64 for the next reboot. I also wonder if we'll see a stage or some other kind of SF2 representation (remixed music, etc.) for the next Smash game.
The difference between this and Mother 3 though is that this game was 100% QA tested and translated back in the day, and was ready for release, just as Earthbound (NES) was. That is why Nintendo was more easily able to release it, all things considered. Mother 3 requires a bit more work having not been translated or gone through any of the testing that would have been required.
This is still a huge deal for game preservation, but if Nintendo chooses to go even further with something like Mother 3, we're in for a lot of potential surprises down the line.
This is still a huge deal for game preservation, but if Nintendo chooses to go even further with something like Mother 3, we're in for a lot of potential surprises down the line.
I vaguely remember that. Footsteps would remain in the sand and the seasons would change the overworld
Compsiox
Banned
"Why do we need Star Fox 2 when we have Star Fox 64 in the works?"
"You're right."
"Lets save it for when we relaunch the SNES in 15 years"
"Good idea!"
What's this "Gumpei Yokoi's 'X' for Game Boy" they're talking about? Another unreleased game?
No, it was a wire-frame 3D shooter for the Gameboy by Argonaut wich got them the attention of Nintendo. It sadly was only released in Japan.
SuperLeviathan
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It's essentially Star Fox's predecessor.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_(1992_video_game)
Music from it was remixed for Super Smash Bros. Brawl.