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[MisterHero]

Maybe Abrams and Lindelof have been lying to you the entire time because maybe speculation is pointless and they don't want crazy ST nerds dissecting every detail of the movie's plot before it came out and building all kinds of absurd expectations about what a movie they haven't even seen should be!

Yeah it's pretty easy to figure out what happens

your favorite character dies

 

[Tobor]

I now hope the character is named Gary Khan just to spite the lot of you

I hope the next Bond villain is Blofeld, just to spite you.

 

[DrEvil]

Bzzzt. Wrong.

The first one wasn't, so why would this shitfest be?

Who are any of us to decide what is and isn't trek? I've also liked Trek since I can remember, and loved the 09 film....

Let me ask you then, removing First Contact and Wrath of Khan from the equation, as they are undeniably awesome, what is your top Trek film and why?

 

[Discotheque]

And has the personality of Data.

Benedict Cumberbatch playing Gary Khan with the personality of Data dressed up as Sherlock Holmes (like those old TNG episodes)

that would be super meta

edit: the only Star Trek actors I would be fine with seeing in the new Star Wars would be Benedict Cumberbatch and/or Karl Urban

 

[Sulik2]

Who are any of us to decide what is and isn't trek? I've also liked Trek since I can remember, and loved the 09 film....

Let me ask you then, removing First Contact and Wrath of Khan from the equation, as they are undeniably awesome, what is your top Trek film and why?

Undiscovered Country was really good.

 

[BigDug13]

The chick who played Angel in Borderlands 1 and 2 plays a nurse in this movie apparently.

 

[GameplayWhore]

Its just that sentient androids have always been presented as a one in a million fluke that Soong discovered and never could work out mass production for. It would be a bit jarring if now in this new timeline someone else just does it a few hundred years earlier, but eh, the more I think about it the more I'm alright with it

Androids and sentient machines were more common in the original series than they were in TNG. It was, in fact, really weird when Next Generation came out and Data was considered unique in the universe.

Kirk visited two worlds which were pretty much entirely populated by androids, there was a "machine world" in the Motion Picture as well as a highly sophisticated artificial being, android bodies created by Sargon, a handful of sentient machines that weren't themselves humaniform (like the giant computer that ran society on that planet where everybody was boring except for that one fun hour, or Jackson Roykirk's space probe).

Androids and artificial intelligence in Classic Trek are not rarities at all.


(interestingly, in the novels, they try to tie this inconsistency together by suggesting that Soong got much of his android knowhow by studying the ruins of one of the aforementioned TOS android planets)

Who are any of us to decide what is and isn't trek? I've also liked Trek since I can remember, and loved the 09 film....

Let me ask you then, removing First Contact and Wrath of Khan from the equation, as they are undeniably awesome, what is your top Trek film and why?

The Voyage Home. Interesting concept that actually sounds like something I'd read in a real SF book (and not a pulp novel as most of the films conceptually resemble), one of the rare times in Trek that things intended to be funny were funny, and the story seemed to work out overall in a satisfying way (to me). It's also nice that we got a Trek story that didn't have a straight up villain, as we had in 2, 3, arguably 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, and 11. Kind of a nice throwback to the original series, where some of the episodes had villains, but a whole huge honking slew of them didn't!

I do need to rewatch Undiscovered Country. I liked it, but obviously I missed a lot of subtext that made it great.

 

[Cheebo]

Wait, really? Man, are they going to make any attempt to explain how that makes any sense at all in the context of current Trek canon? An android in Kirk's time is like having the Borg suddenly show up

(someone is going to remind me about a TOS episode with an android, aren't they?)

There were multiple TOS episodes with humanoid androids.

Humanoid androids in Trek FAR predate TNG. Data was far from the first.

 

[IamMattFox]

I hope he's Zapp Brannigan.

 

[Meier]

I have never watched any Star Trek other than the first JJ movie and I am fucking DYING for this. Benedict being involved only elevates it to another level.

Teaser was delicious.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

I have never watched any Star Trek other than the first JJ movie

how the fuck

 

[Danielsan]

Cumberbatch all up in this. I don't give a shit about Star Trek, or any series with Star in its name for that matter, but I will gladly watch this just to see Cumberbatch give an awesome performance. That voice in the trailer, damn.
It doesn't hurt that I actually enjoyed the first Abrams Star Trek flick.

 

[radios shipping overview]

Androids and sentient machines were more common in the original series than they were in TNG. It was, in fact, really weird when Next Generation came out and Data was considered unique in the universe.

[snip]

(interestingly, in the novels, they try to tie this inconsistency together by suggesting that Soong got much of his android knowhow by studying the ruins of one of the aforementioned TOS android planets)

I actually like how TNG wasn't burdened by most of the monster-of-the-week creations in TOS. They were able to uncover new and exciting things and only use existing canon where it was convincing and helpful to do so. I'm sure sticking with internal consistency was an easier task than maintaining consistency with every one-off TOS creation.

 

[DrEvil]

Of the non-jj movies, my favs are Khan, Voyage and First Contact.

JJ's Trek was a nice breath of fresh air after The shit that was Enterprise... I'm ready for the next one.

 

[Hawkian]

Androids and sentient machines were more common in the original series than they were in TNG. It was, in fact, really weird when Next Generation came out and Data was considered unique in the universe.

Kirk visited two worlds which were pretty much entirely populated by androids, there was a "machine world" in the Motion Picture as well as a highly sophisticated artificial being, android bodies created by Sargon, a handful of sentient machines that weren't themselves humaniform (like the giant computer that ran society on that planet where everybody was boring except for that one fun hour, or Jackson Roykirk's space probe).

Androids and artificial intelligence in Classic Trek are not rarities at all.


(interestingly, in the novels, they try to tie this inconsistency together by suggesting that Soong got much of his android knowhow by studying the ruins of one of the aforementioned TOS android planets)

Well, they're rare as hell for Earth/Starfleet, right?

 

[Figboy79]

Benedict Cumberbatch playing Gary Khan with the personality of Data dressed up as Sherlock Holmes (like those old TNG episodes)

that would be super meta

edit: the only Star Trek actors I would be fine with seeing in the new Star Wars would be Benedict Cumberbatch and/or Karl Urban

Karl Urban could make a pretty good Kyle Kataarn.

Anyway, this TV spot was cool. Love Star Trek, and ST09 was fun. The characters, the visuals, even Nero. Just good fun. Not everything in Star Trek has to be weighty, poignant, and allegorical. Sometimes, I just want to see space ships, aliens, and shit blowing up, while the characters banter with each other.

Also, am I the only person that really loves how the movie looks? I think the sleek design of the interiors, the lighting, set, and costume design is being severely overlooked amid all the bickering and whining about "is this Trek" or not.

Abrams and his production team have done a great job of making Star Trek their own, while also throwing winks and nods to the source material it's part of.

Can't wait for this, and Iron Man 3. I almost forgot what movies were coming out this year.

 

[Hawkian]

Karl Urban could make a pretty good Kyle Kataarn.

Anyway, this TV spot was cool. Love Star Trek, and ST09 was fun. The characters, the visuals, even Nero. Just good fun. Not everything in Star Trek has to be weighty, poignant, and allegorical. Sometimes, I just want to see space ships, aliens, and shit blowing up, while the characters banter with each other.

Also, am I the only person that really loves how the movie looks? I think the sleek design of the interiors, the lighting, set, and costume design is being severely overlooked amid all the bickering and whining about "is this Trek" or not.

Abrams and his production team have done a great job of making Star Trek their own, while also throwing winks and nods to the source material it's part of.

Can't wait for this, and Iron Man 3. I almost forgot what movies were coming out this year.

Have you seen Plinkett's review of ST09? I think you'd really jive with his interpretation of it (especially the hilarious ways he compares it to the SW prequels in light of the newfound "Abrams does every movie with Star in the title now" factor)

 

[Figboy79]

Have you seen Plinkett's review of ST09? I think you'd really jive with his interpretation of it (especially the hilarious ways he compares it to the SW prequels in light of the newfound "Abrams does every movie with Star in the title now" factor)

No, I haven't seen it. I'll look it up.

 

[Pagusas]

They can't possibly already be destroying the Enterprise can they? They just introduced it last film!

 

[TUSR]

The chick who played Angel in Borderlands 1 and 2 plays a nurse in this movie apparently.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3082309/

 

[Hawkian]

They can't possibly already be destroying the Enterprise can they? They just introduced it last film!

They tend to have a shelf life of 1-2 films, don't they?

 

[The Technomancer]

(interestingly, in the novels, they try to tie this inconsistency together by suggesting that Soong got much of his android knowhow by studying the ruins of one of the aforementioned TOS android planets)

I think I actually read a novel specifically about this when I was like 15 or so. Had Data as da Vinci's Vitruvian Man on the cover, involved that TOS thingamajig with the rotating platform that made robot copies of people or whatever.

 

[Tobor]

They tend to have a shelf life of 1-2 films, don't they?

The original movie Enterprise almost made it through 3 whole movies! lol.

 

[Kung Fu Jedi]

They tend to have a shelf life of 1-2 films, don't they?

Original Enterprise made it through the Five Year Mission, and wasn't destroyed completely until the end of STIII: The Search For Spock. New Enterprise was back at the end of STIV: Voyage Home and was good for the rest of the run for the original crew.

Destroying a starship like the Enterprise should be a crippling affair for Star Fleet. It should take years to build one, but it seems like it only takes months. After the Borg destroyed the fleet at Wolf 359, there was some comment about how it would take 16 months to rebuild them all. Doesn't seem like a long enough time, especially when you consider how long it takes us to build massive naval vessels today.

 

[Cheebo]

Well, they're rare as hell for Earth/Starfleet, right?

Kirk and co really didn't seen that fazed by their existence.

 

[GameplayWhore]

Well, they're rare as hell for Earth/Starfleet, right?

Well there was an android head hanging around in a cave on Earth from 1900 AD onward. Does that count?

Kirk and co really didn't seen that fazed by their existence.

Well that's just because to Humans, Mr. Spock was practically a robot anyway.


(man, Starfleet was racist back in the day!)

 

[MisterHero]

Wasn't original Enterprise was like 3-4 decades old before it was destroyed? That's some sturdiness right there.

Also, New Enterprise is much larger than any of the original versions. Is this size comparison right?
http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2009/05/enterprise-vs-bsg3.jpg

Kirk and co really didn't seen that fazed by their existence.

Kirk had a significant experience with an android once, but he forgot it.

 

[DrForester]

edit: the only Star Trek actors I would be fine with seeing in the new Star Wars would be Benedict Cumberbatch and/or Karl Urban

 

[Cheebo]

Wasn't original Enterprise was like 3-4 decades old before it was destroyed? That's some sturdiness right there.

Also, New Enterprise is much larger than any of the original versions. Is this size comparison right?
cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2009/05/enterprise-vs-bsg3.jpg


Kirk had a significant experience with an android once, but he forgot it.

That one female android Kirk taught to love was pretty hot. I found it crazy tng tried to retcon androids but tng messed with established canon just as much as Star Trek 2009 did. Trek canon has always been pretty loose.

 

[t-ramp]

Day one for sure. Excited for Iron Man 3, too.

I should rewatch the previous Star Trek again sometime.

 

[DrForester]

Wasn't original Enterprise was like 3-4 decades old before it was destroyed? That's some sturdiness right there.

Also, New Enterprise is much larger than any of the original versions. Is this size comparison right?
http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2009/05/enterprise-vs-bsg3.jpg


Kirk had a significant experience with an android once, but he forgot it.

This was honestly one of the few fanboy nitpicks I had about the movie, mostly because there was no reason to make the ship so large.

My other being they should have taken the opportunity to create new characters and ditch Sulu, Uhura and Chechov since they're supposed to have been much younger than the rest.

 

[Htown]

Cumberbatch all up in this. I don't give a shit about Star Trek, or any series with Star in its name for that matter, but I will gladly watch this just to see Cumberbatch give an awesome performance. That voice in the trailer, damn.
It doesn't hurt that I actually enjoyed the first Abrams Star Trek flick.

Good for you? I guess?

 

[Pagusas]

Original Enterprise made it through the Five Year Mission, and wasn't destroyed completely until the end of STIII: The Search For Spock. New Enterprise was back at the end of STIV: Voyage Home and was good for the rest of the run for the original crew.

Destroying a starship like the Enterprise should be a crippling affair for Star Fleet. It should take years to build one, but it seems like it only takes months. After the Borg destroyed the fleet at Wolf 359, there was some comment about how it would take 16 months to rebuild them all. Doesn't seem like a long enough time, especially when you consider how long it takes us to build massive naval vessels today.

They kind of mention this in DS9 when talking about how mnay ship yards Star Fleet has. Its ALWAYS building ships, sometimes they even go unused. When the original Enterprise was destroyed it was replaced with an already commissioned vessel, which just had its name and number changed. Same with the Defiant. In fact The Enterprise D was the only Enterprise/main series show to not be replaced with the exact same ship after destruction.

 

[Kung Fu Jedi]

They kind of mention this in DS9 when talking about how mnay ship yards Star Fleet has. Its ALWAYS building ships, sometimes they even go unused. When the original Enterprise was destroyed it was replaced with an already commissioned vessel, which just had its name and number changed. Same with the Defiant. In fact The Enterprise D was the only Enterprise/main series show to not be replaced with the exact same ship after destruction.

Right, so Star Fleet had so many ships they could just store them away until they needed them. Infinite resources are good I guess!

That was one element of Roddenberry's view of the future that was always a bit hard to take for me personally. That things had evolved to the point where we didn't want for anything, including money. Plenty of everything to go around. I would have enjoyed seeing a series set in the Star Trek universe that showed the dirtier, grittier side of the galaxy. Smugglers making runs to planets just outside the federation, organized crime units staying beneath the radar of the Federation, dodging Star Fleet while running guns to the Klingons, etc.

 

[The Librarian]

They kind of mention this in DS9 when talking about how mnay ship yards Star Fleet has. Its ALWAYS building ships, sometimes they even go unused. When the original Enterprise was destroyed it was replaced with an already commissioned vessel, which just had its name and number changed. Same with the Defiant. In fact The Enterprise D was the only Enterprise/main series show to not be replaced with the exact same ship after destruction.

Not quite, at least as how I've always understand it. Starfleet didn't build that many ships until Wolf 359, which is often described as the 9/11 of the Trek universe. After that Starfleet mobilized a bigger fleet, then when the Dominion war started up, they mobilized an even larger fleet. They're in a middle of the war, and Starfleet had just commissioned another Defiant-class warship a while after the Defiant got destroyed.

Starfleet doesn't have an infinite number of ships. That's why they would've been overrun by Dominion reinforcements earlier in S6 if the Prophets hadn't stopped them.

 

[Cheebo]

Not quite, at least as how I've always understand it. Starfleet didn't build that many ships until Wolf 359, which is often described as the 9/11 of the Trek universe. After that Starfleet mobilized a bigger fleet, then when the Dominion war started up, they mobilized an even larger fleet. They're in a middle of the war, and Starfleet had just commissioned another Defiant-class warship a while after the Defiant got destroyed.

Starfleet doesn't have an infinite number of ships. That's why they would've been overrun by Dominion reinforcements earlier in S6 if the Prophets hadn't stopped them.

How did they have a brand new enterprise ready to go mere weeks after the last enterprise blew up in trek IV? I always found that a little bit too convenient. Especially since no one in the bridge crew even knew the Ent-A existed prior to that.

 

[radios shipping overview]

How did they have a brand new enterprise ready to go mere weeks after the last enterprise blew up in trek IV? I always found that a little bit too convenient. Especially since no one in the bridge crew even knew the Ent-A existed prior to that.

Roddenberry's explanation was that the Ent-A was another ship (the Yorktown) renamed.

 

[smokeandmirrors]

Best tag team group in hollywood.

 

[Pagusas]

How did they have a brand new enterprise ready to go mere weeks after the last enterprise blew up in trek IV? I always found that a little bit too convenient. Especially since no one in the bridge crew even knew the Ent-A existed prior to that.

see my post above, they just renamed another ship and gave it to Kirk.

Edit: beaten, but seems the wiki page disputes this: http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/USS_Enterprise_(NCC-1701-A))

Very odd, I've always "known" that the 1701-A was a rebranded ship, yet the wiki is saying it was built new. Curious where I got this from.

Not quite, at least as how I've always understand it. Starfleet didn't build that many ships until Wolf 359, which is often described as the 9/11 of the Trek universe. After that Starfleet mobilized a bigger fleet, then when the Dominion war started up, they mobilized an even larger fleet. They're in a middle of the war, and Starfleet had just commissioned another Defiant-class warship a while after the Defiant got destroyed.

Starfleet doesn't have an infinite number of ships. That's why they would've been overrun by Dominion reinforcements earlier in S6 if the Prophets hadn't stopped them.

I wasn't trying to suggest they had an infinite amount of ships, just that certain dialogue during the Dominion war suggest they had a lot of ship yards that were running at full capacity.

 

[DrForester]

see my post above, they just renamed another ship and gave it to Kirk.

Edit: beaten, but seems the wiki page disputes this: http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/USS_Enterprise_(NCC-1701-A)

Very odd, I've always "known" that the 1701-A was a rebranded ship, yet the wiki is saying it was built new. Curious where I got this from.

I also was under the impression that it was a re branded ship (want to say it was the Intrepid).

Actually, from the Memory Alpha article.

According to Gene Roddenberry, the NCC-1701-A was not a newly-constructed ship, but instead was the renamed USS Yorktown, a nod to the name of the starship in his original pitch for Star Trek. This was based on the fact that it was difficult to believe that Starfleet would build a whole new ship in such a short time, and then decommission it a short while after, and the early retirement of the Enterprise-A could be justified if the ship had been in service for many years under another name.

 

[spidye]

see my post above, they just renamed another ship and gave it to Kirk.

Edit: beaten, but seems the wiki page disputes this: http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/USS_Enterprise_(NCC-1701-A)

Very odd, I've always "known" that the 1701-A was a rebranded ship, yet the wiki is saying it was built new. Curious where I got this from.

the new uss defiant was a rebranded ship after the prototype defiant got destroyed

 

[Pagusas]

I also was under the impression that it was a re branded ship (want to say it was the Intrepid).

Ugh, the article I linked even contridicts its self:

In 2286, the Enterprise-A was commissioned at the San Francisco Fleet Yards on stardate 8442.5. She was launched from the Earth Spacedock on the order of the Federation Council in appreciation of Captain James T. Kirk and his crew's efforts to prevent the Whale Probe from devastating Earth. The crew initially thought they were going to be assigned to the USS Excelsior (or, according to Leonard McCoy, a "freighter" at best), but the new Enterprise was soon revealed, docked behind the Excelsior. The crew took their stations and the Enterprise left spacedock on a shakedown cruise. (Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home)

According to Gene Roddenberry, the NCC-1701-A was not a newly-constructed ship, but instead was the renamed USS Yorktown, a nod to the name of the starship in his original pitch for Star Trek. This was based on the fact that it was difficult to believe that Starfleet would build a whole new ship in such a short time, and then decommission it a short while after, and the early retirement of the Enterprise-A could be justified if the ship had been in service for many years under another name.

Lol, WTF. Get your canon shit together star trek!

 

[Cheebo]

Since the official word contradicts itself I would go with Gene's statement on this. It makes far more sense for them to rename a ship Enterprise and give it to Kirk in appreciation of him saving Earth since the last Enterprise blew up literally weeks (if not days, they are still wearing their same clothes from Trek III after all) before Trek IV and would be odd to have a brand new Enterprise out of nowhere.

And it fits in with the fact it was retired just a few years after Trek IV in the Generations intro.