The phrase "Han shoots first" needs to be retired and replaced with "Han murders Greedo like a boss". Shooting first when you're the only shooter is redundant.
if these are original original cuts, does it mean that the matt cutouts are visible.?
Why the fuck won't Lucasfilm/Disney release something like this already? Fans have wanted and been clamoring for it and basically pirating it for decades now. And I'm personally too stupid to understand how to get a copy of this or the Despecialized thing either. Dammit, just release a legit copy already and take my money!
I was figuring some basic manufacturing/marketing in there, yeah, but a complely new restoration/transfer would probably cost more than it seems you're expecting there, too.
The 4k scans they just did are not the theatrical versions, either.
Honestly, if they wanna do this faster/cheaper - they would probably do better to take a page out of Harmy's book, and use those files and their assets at Lucasfilm to Despecialize what they've got on their own.
The BD is always going to have more details, but the restoration has more accurate colors.
This likely is wrong, and I just can't help myself. This restoration is taken from aged theatrical prints, which means that colours, black levels and detail were never going to be great (especially black levels). I'm not entirely sure what they've done in terms of restoration when it comes to colour correction, but objectively more accurate than the blu-ray this isn't. Some of the caps have a slight magenta sheen which isn't that uncommon with faded filmstock and accurately fixing this isn't easy to do without access to original materials. Overall the colours (from the caps and previews) look faded, not more natural and not more accurate . From what I gather they've used other old theatrical prints as a reference (please correct me if I'm wrong) which isn't reliable and I don't think it's especially unlikely that those were faded as well. I've taken a quick look at caps from the BD (I don't own it) and it doesn't look overly boosted or overly saturated to me (not saying that it isn't, just saying that it doesn't have the signs of an obviously botched transfer).The knee jerk reaction is to say the top looks better. But the bottom is more natural and closer to the actual film as it was intended.
And to finish off by being less negative; it's a very commendable effort and they've done a good job considering what they had to work with.This is the best version of the movie to date in its original form.
the bd has crazy magenta levels, it looks awful tbh. contrast is also far too high resulting in crushed blacks.I've taken a quick look at caps from the BD (I don't own it) and it doesn't look overly boosted or overly saturated to me (not saying that it isn't, just saying that it doesn't have the signs of an obviously botched transfer).
the bd has crazy magenta levels, it looks awful tbh. contrast is also far too high resulting in crushed blacks.
For legal reasons they can't simply put up the download link out in the open.So where's the link to download? I don't see it anywhere.
For legal reasons they can't simply put up the download link out in the open.
the bd has crazy magenta levels, it looks awful tbh. contrast is also far too high resulting in crushed blacks.
let me jump in with that:No it hasn't and no it doesn't (To be perfectly clear, magenta levels do seem to skew high but it's not "crazy"). And I've only looked at caps-a-holic since they're usually the most reliable but I'm not seeing crushed blacks at all.
The original Spartacus release was awful, the original Le Samouraï release was an abomination, this is at worst disappointing.
https://vimeo.com/124147988 I mean..okay if you think that's not bad then alright.
let me jump in with that:
https://vimeo.com/124147988
https://vimeo.com/123475322
I mean..okay if you think that's not bad then alright.
let me jump in with that:
https://vimeo.com/124147988
https://vimeo.com/123475322
I mean..okay if you think that's not bad then alright.
Using the term "disappointing" isn't really a positive assessment, though.
A lot of people weigh in on Star Wars' look without any greater frame of reference than other Star Wars fan-restorations, and opinions gleaned from those fans talking about doing the restoring.
But it doesn't seem to do so in every scene, and even in that video not all lights are pink. Like I said I took a quick look and I agree that magenta skew high but not to the point where it's rendering every single scene unwatchable.exactly. somehow white lights turning pink is not crazy...
Using the term "disappointing" isn't really a positive assessment, though.
A lot of people weigh in on Star Wars' look without any greater frame of reference than other Star Wars fan-restorations, and opinions gleaned from those fans talking about doing the restoring.
But it doesn't seem to do so in every scene, and even in that video not all lights are pink. Like I said I took a quick look and I agree that magenta skew high but not to the point where it's rendering every single scene unwatchable.
The phrase "Han shoots first" needs to be retired and replaced with "Han murders Greedo like a boss". Shooting first when you're the only shooter is redundant.
it exists in every scene and no all white lights in that picture have become pinkish. in most scenes you can tell by everything looking a bit purplish, reds being too strong, skin color not being quite right and so on. obviously it's more apparent in some scenes than others.
look here for more examples: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-12-14/restoring-star-wars/6994818
also this http://www.abc.net.au/res/sites/news-projects/interactive-star-wars-changes/2.0.0/assets/video/Magenta.webm
the blu ray source has this blue-red magenta thing going on in every shot.
Greedo was about to shoot though. I'm pretty sure it's grammatically ok to say that "Han shot first" when meaning "Han shot before Greedo did".
sure they are still watchable. annoying if you are aware of it but not much of a bother if you aren't I suppose.The magenta levels do indeed skew high in every scene, but like I said not to the point of complete and utter ruination in my opinion.
Isn't this just piracy? Why support it?
sure they are still watchable. annoying if you are aware of it but not much of a bother if you aren't I suppose.
Which was exactly my point. The blu-ray may be many things but "awful" it ain't. Just to illustrate what I'm talking about since I mentioned it before:
This is what the original blu ray release of Spartacus looks like (make sure to not mouse over), this is what "crazy" colour levels look like. It is quite literally unwatchable since you can't actually make out what is happening.
And because I never get sick of posting it here is Le Samouraï (yet again with the mouse over), this is the type of awful that hyperbole should be reserved for.
So this is my point of reference when I say that the Star Wars blu-ray at worst is a disappointment
Probably not gonna happen until the 4k push really starts and they have a reason to release a new version again though.
Film is grain, man.
Isn't this just piracy? Why support it?
This isn't available to purchase anywhere. It's the equivalent of bootleg songs never released by a band, or a rom of an unreleased videogame. We should be thankful this is being preserved by the community.Isn't this just piracy? Why support it?
It's been in the film since the DVD. You really haven't watched a copy since 2004?Hold on, I don't remember watching a version of ROTJ with Naboo, JarJar or whatever the fuck.
I'm glad that I didn't see that.
I'd hope people who download this do buy the official releases too.
It's been in the film since the DVD. You really haven't watched a copy since 2004?
It is just a quick cut to Naboo at the end. Yes, it's a big fuck you to prequel haters.
It's been in the film since the DVD. You really haven't watched a copy since 2004?
It is just a quick cut to Naboo at the end. Yes, it's a big fuck you to prequel haters.
Yup, it was on the DVD from the beginning.Did the DVD version always have Hayden ghost?
Because Hayden Christensen force ghost in Jedi is when it crossed the line for me and I am not sure if that happened in the first DVD's or was that later in the process in a later DVD run.
It is just a quick cut to Naboo at the end. Yes, it's a big fuck you to prequel haters.
More or less, yes.I'd definitely like to see this. I'm not too familiar with the versions of this film, but I have a VHS copy of this from around 1994; is this new release basically the same as that? (obviously higher res).
Yup, it was on the DVD from the beginning.
I never loathed that change. It's kind of in the category of changes to make the films consistent, like changing the Emperor in ESB. It doesn't straight up bother me like adding distracting cgi creatures or changing music.
That said, I still rock the Despecialized editions and watch ROtJ as it originally was. I'm happy to see Sebastian Shaw and be reminded of how we saw Anakin before the prequels.
Looking at it now and the DVD's didnt get released until 2004-2005.
That explains why I have so many memories of the pre Hayden ghost version. All the versions that would have been on TV during the prequel run would have been the old versions.
Didnt realise it was released so late into DVD's life. Blu Ray (and HD DVD) where just around the corner then.
Then again I guess the BR release is kind of recent and the movies only made it onto digital stores last year. I guess they took the slow and steady approach to releases.
The entire DVD era was people pining for Star Wars and Lucas holding out as long as he could. I think Disney is far more liberal about releases.
The new song has fucking pan flute, that alone makes it worse than Yub Nub.I don't dislike Yub Nub, but the Special Edition music is so much better.