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Nexas said:
People hoping for OT style lightsaber duels are kidding themselves. Those fights were as slow as they were because David Prowse could barely move or see in the Vader suit.

I do agree they need to tone things down a bit from the prequels, but those OT duels would not play today.
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Well, that's not the only reason. The suit was a big part of it but the fights were also based in kendo/actual Japanese sword-fighting.
 
New theory: Andy Serkis will be reprising his role of Gollum from Lord of The Rings. The second movie in the trilogy will deal with how Gollum time traveled after falling into the Crack of Doom at the end of Return of The King with the help of his friend Tim (Domhnall Gleeson) from the movie "About Time".
 
mcrommert said:
Seriously for those who thought the prequel lightsaber fights were awesome, i have a movie series you should watch

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Man, such a classy poster we have here.

I foresee a long and prosperous GAF life for you.
 
brandonh83 said:
It was about 5, 6 minutes and intercut with other stuff. If it were short people would complain about why the big duel was so short.



You're talking about realism in a fight scene where you have a 3 foot tall, if that, green alien wielding a lightsaber.
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That's the problem! Yoda can exist in the Star Wars universe, that makes sense, we can suspend our disbelief, that's what every fictional story in the history of the spoken word relies on. But when that character starts behaving in an inconsistent way, with no discernible motivation, that's when we start to question it. There is no reason for Yoda to have a lightsaber. That's the key problem with that fight, and with a lot of the PT. Yoda, who's constantly preaching defense, not attack, peace, not aggression, calm, not emotion... ugh. It grosses me out, honestly.

I'm so happy to be talking about Star Wars, thank you guys so much...
 
Hero_of_the_Day said:
I wish they would have kept his saber a secret until the movie released. My mind would have been so blown at that reveal I would probably still think Phantom Menace was a good movie.
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There was a mod for a double bladed saber in Dark Forces II, so everyone who played that kind of expected it at some point.
 
mcrommert said:
Seriously for those who thought the prequel lightsaber fights were awesome, i have a movie series you should watch
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Oh, god.

Scooter155 said:
That's the key problem with that fight, and with a lot of the PT. Yoda, who's constantly preaching defense, not attack, peace, not aggression, calm, not emotion... ugh. It grosses me out, honestly.
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Dooku pressed Yoda into it. It was a last resort. I just think most of these things that people complain about are actually addressed in context well enough.
 
Scooter155 said:
Such goosebumps... thanks for posting that.

It's such an awesome contrast to the fight in Empire too, where Luke was being way more flashy, doing big jumps and stuff because he could, but getting bested by Vader who fought him only using one hand for the majority of the fight. By ROTJ, Luke has things a little more figured out, but then at this point he's let his anger completely take over and his assault is vicious, powerful, and relentless.

It's terrifying, seeing how close he is to becoming his father. And that's why this fight is so incredible, and why the moment when he throws his saber away is so powerful. Oh gosh... I'm going to watch these now...
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Yep, the best part of any Star Wars lightsaber battle is when the characters stop fighting, when Luke tosses his to the side. Awesome moment.

"I am a Jedi, like my father was before me."

Love that line.
 
I agree that the lightsaber battles where sometimes ridiculous an over the top in the prequels. I hope they learnt from that.
 
NYR94 said:
Yep, the best part of any Star Wars lightsaber battle is when the characters stop fighting, when Luke tosses his to the side. Awesome moment.

"I am a Jedi, like my father was before me."

Love that line.
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Especially after when Vader yells "NO!" when the Emperor takes matters into his own hands.
 
Sectorseven said:
There was a mod for a double bladed saber in Dark Forces II, so everyone who played that kind of expected it at some point.
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Jedi Knight was the first game I played online. I have probably still not put in as many hours into any other game as I did JK. So fucking good.

I don't remember any of the dual saber mods until after Maul and his was revealed. I could be wrong of course, been a long time.

Starsunder said:
Man, such a classy poster we have here.

I foresee a long and prosperous GAF life for you.
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There was absolutely nothing in his post that would even make a mod bat an eye. Lighten up.
 
Took less than three hours to go from discussing the actors to arguing over which movie had the best glowstick fights. :)

Also, the name Daisy Ridley is kinda awesome.
 
BobbyRoberts said:
Took less than three hours to go from discussing the actors to arguing over which movie had the best glowstick fights. :)

Also, the name Daisy Ridley is kinda awesome.
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Once GAF inevitably makes a creepy thread with pics about her, we can coin the phrase "I'd diddly that Ridley!"
 
I don't care, the Duel of Fates was dope. Emotionally muted, sure, but I was feeling the choreography. That dual blade reveal.
 
...but remember when we slowed the prequel lightsaber fights down and realized that Ray Park wasn't actually trying to kill Ewan McGregor? That's when I realized the prequel fights were garbage.
 
bengraven said:
I've always seen the OT as old knights, slower and more in control, a more mental game of chess especially since the bodies are old but the mind is more powerful than ever.

With the PT, there's a lot more competition out there - a lot more hotshot kids flying around, out doing themselves. Eventually they all die off and only the old, greats are left and then we're back to the OT.
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The only problem with this is that characters like Palpatine, Yoda, Dooku, Qui Gon, Ki Adi Mundi (yeah, I went there), and even Obi Wan to an extent should be those old masters who know better than to include unnecessary flourish in their life-or-death battles.
 
Blader said:
I never understood people's complaints about the lightsaber fighting in the prequels and it really seems to more like prequel complaining for the sake of prequel complaining.

Jedi are supposed to be wizard-warriors whose skills should be admired/feared across the galaxy, of course they can do that kind of otherworldly shit! An old man, mostly robotic middle-aged man, and a novice 20something in the OT should not be the peak of Jedi combat prowess.

Granted, the fight choreography in II was total ass, but the duels in I and III were pretty good imo.
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Agreed. The fights in the OT are better because they have emotional resonance and proper action beats that tell a story. The PT fights are technically superior in many ways but you're just watching things move around onscreen. The Obi-Wan/Qui-Gon/Maul fight is probably the most technically impressive fight in the series, but it's not nearly as memorable as Luke vs. Vader in Empire or Jedi because you just don't care that much in the Episode 1 fight.

One of the great tragedies of the Anakin/Obi-Wan fight in Episode 3 is that it just has no emotional arc to it. You can't even see their faces most of the time. Ewan McGregor sells the hell out of the "You were the chosen one!" line, but the fight that preceded it feels sterile and by-the-numbers. Imagine if that fight had functioned on an emotional level in the way the ones in Empire and Jedi did, and McGregor's delivery of that line was in line with what the audience had already been feeling over the course of the battle. It would have been a brutal gut punch of a moment. As it is, it's just a reminder that here we are at the emotional climax of these characters' relationship and you're mostly just waiting for it to be over.
 
Trey said:
I don't care, the Duel of Fates was dope. Emotionally muted, sure, but I was feeling the choreography. That dual blade reveal.
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Obi&Jinn vs Maul may be the best lightsaber duel of all movies, it isn't like some people say full of "ballerina shit" and it isn't stupidly slow like the OT duels.
 
Fuck the people who didn't like the PT fights. Even if you didn't like the fights, the music for the TPM and ROTS duels was amazing. Duel of the Fates and Battle of the Heroes respectively.
 
I was expecting to see Zac Efron and the like, good good.

Von Sydow for the villain plz. he could play ghost Obi Wan too I guess :p
 
A good fight has nothing to do with choreography or special effects.

That's why I was never impressed with The Matrix, and its techodance party special effects fights.
 
Please do not post any positive opinions regarding the prequels, they are all 100% bad and you should feel bad.

I'm kidding.
 
SpinDasher said:
Can anyone comment on how good or bad the writers are?
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JJ Abrams and Lawrence Kasdan? They've got some okay credits between them:

Abrams:
Regarding Henry
Felicity (multiple episodes)
Alias (multiple episodes)
Mission Impossible III

Kasdan:
Empire Strikes Back
Raiders of the Lost Ark
Body Heat
The Big Chill
Silverado
Grand Canyon
The Accidental Tourist

And some not so great ones:

Abrams:
Armageddon
Gone Fishin
Super 8

Kasdan:
Return of the Jedi
The Bodyguard
Dreamcatcher

edit: What's funny is that the screenplay Abrams might best be known for is the one that didn't get produced: He wrote the original Superman: Fly By script that basically (surprise) turned Superman into some Star Wars shit. :)
 
Luke and Vader could have been playing swingball for all it matters. The important thing was *why* they were fighting, and how their emotions were being expressed by their movements. The end of ROTJ is just this flurry of emotional punches as you see Luke give in to desperation, then anger, then serenity, then anguish, while Vader makes his own emotional journey towards redemption. Even cutting away to Ewoks all the time can't spoil it.

I can't remember feeling a damn thing in any of the prequel fights, except maybe a numbness in my arse.
 
Hero_of_the_Day said:
Jedi Knight was the first game I played online. I have probably still not put in as many hours into any other game as I did JK. So fucking good.

I don't remember any of the dual saber mods until after Maul and his was revealed. I could be wrong of course, been a long time.



There was absolutely nothing in his post that would even make a mod bat an eye. Lighten up.
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Sorry, calling people fools and shit, and following it up with pics of shit movies as insults to posters with opinions different from his makes me take new members at face value.

I'm crazy like that.
 
Crispy75 said:
Luke and Vader could have been playing swingball for all it matters. The important thing was *why* they were fighting, and how their emotions were being expressed by their movements. The end of ROTJ is just this flurry of emotional punches as you see Luke give in to desperation, then anger, then serenity, then anguish, while Vader makes his own emotional journey towards redemption. Even cutting away to Ewoks all the time can't spoil it.

I can't remember feeling a damn thing in any of the prequel fights, except maybe a numbness in my arse.
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Exactly. I don't think it is impossible to add better choreography to the duels, but without the underlying character conflict and drama, they are just hollow spectacle. That goes for any special effect. That was something Lucas forgot about since he turned to the Dark Side.
 
SpinDasher said:
Can anyone comment on how good or bad the writers are?
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Well one of them is Lawrence Kasdan, who wrote Empire and co-wrote(?) Jedi. The other is JJ Abrams, so you can probably make your own judgment call there.

I, for one, am hyped to the moon
that's no moon
and back.
 
Crispy75 said:
Luke and Vader could have been playing swingball for all it matters. The important thing was *why* they were fighting, and how their emotions were being expressed by their movements. The end of ROTJ is just this flurry of emotional punches as you see Luke give in to desperation, then anger, then serenity, then anguish, while Vader makes his own emotional journey towards redemption. Even cutting away to Ewoks all the time can't spoil it.

I can't remember feeling a damn thing in any of the prequel fights, except maybe a numbness in my arse.
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Now this I can agree with. The ROTS duel between Anakin/Obi could've been so much better. It should've been on the level of the ROTJ/Empire duels.
 
The beautiful thing reading this thread is knowing that all this back and forth and flurry of emotions is for one movie.

We still have all of this that we're going to have to go through for episode VIII and IX. :P
 
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