TheKaeptain
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BFIB
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The fight itself was great. Its just the shitty buildup that really damaged it.
Hero_of_the_Day
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Boo to you! I really liked Super 8.
Scooter155
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Well I disagree. ¯\_(ツ_/¯
It's OK to be wrong sometimes, don't feel bad
Seriously though, it's obviously fine for people to prefer whichever they like. There are people out there who are hyped for the next Transformers movie, you know? For me, and for what I want out of a movie, the fights in the OT had more emotional weight and more logical consistency within the universe, and I prefer that.
There were better effects in the PT fights, fo sho.
Scooter155
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I did too. And Cloverfield. I don't know if that's still an unpopular opinion or not.
Kasdan has been pretty outspoken about how much he hated having Ewoks forced on him since even back in the day. Considering the parameters Lucas forced him into on that script, I think he did about as well as anyone could have.
Bobby Roberts
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It's in the Making of the Return of the Jedi book by Rinzler. There's transcripts of the story meetings. He wasn't happy about the Ewoks. He wasn't happy about George's insistence that nobody die in the final battle except for Vader. He was trying to get some emotional resonance in there and up the stakes dramatically and got shut down pretty quickly.
He worked with what he had, but it's like you can see him lose interest in the movie he has to write as the story meetings unfold.
To be fair, the screenplay was probably not bad. I didn't have that many problems with the story. It's just that it felt like he was going for E.T., and wound up with a sweaty, annoying Goonies knockoff. Plus the ending was completely unearned. He relied too much on emotional shortcuts instead of getting the kids to earn it.
But still, the good thing about that list I posted is if you disagree with the movies I put in the "not so great" column, that just means his "Pretty okay" column gets that much better
The Outsider
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I guess there really is a defense force for everything.
Yes it does.
Plenty of emotional resonance in the Matrix fights, particularly the penultimate encounter between Neo and Smith.
SeventhSon
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The fight was terrible. Aside from being another glow stick exhibition, it went on for waaaaaaaay too long, draining any possible tension from it. The Plinkett review explains this quite well.
Seriously you like the prequel lightsaber fights and the ewoks give you pause? Honestly the ewoks weren't the worst thing to ever happen. After the prequels made a whole generation emotionally numb i can't get that upset over ewoks
And as another poster said kasdan wanted the ewoks to be nasty savages
brandonh83
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People seriously arguing that the lightsaber fights in the prequels aren't good? Holy shit.
dude cleans up
He's also a very good actor. Has the looks to be Luke's son, but that red hair...Mara Jade rescued from EU oblivion?
Rogue_Ledr
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dude cleans up
You know, that dude looks an awful lot like a young Alec Guiness.
I wonder if those rumors of Obi-Wans kid being in the movie were true.
That's funny, because the first Matrix is like a workshop on how to use fight scenes as character development.
Spiritreaver
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You should be more upset that people are arguing over Ewoks.
Get out of my Star Wars films, or embrace the bears.
I liked a few of them. And even some parts of the final duel between Obi-Wan and Anakin.
That faux outrage
BFIB
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It was the battle everyone was waiting for. Of course it was going to go on long. Had the fight had proper buildup, the length of the battle wouldn't have been too long, it wouldn't have been long enough in fans eyes.
Unspeakable Evil
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He may get that wish.
Exactly and the second two movies are like workshops on how to throw so much cg shit on the screen and not at all worry about character development...they should be taught along side Ep 2 and 3
SargerusBR
I love Pokken!
The personal troops of the Emperor being defeated by a bunch of teddy bears using rocks and sticks sure as hell gives me pause.
Ludicrous Speed
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Sounds good! Only name I didn't recognize is Max von Sydow.
Let's be honest. A good fight has at least something to do with choreography and special effects.
Holy Crap i have never seen this...so, so good
Some of them look good, some don't. Windu v Palpatime was incredibly bad but Maul v Obi/Qui was well choreographed.
The biggest flaw with them us that there is hardly any emotion underlying them, it's just random Sith Lords. Vader meant something to Luke and Obi-Wan, you felt it when they duelled. The prequels sometimes have decent choreography but very little emotion behind the fights. Maul's duel was well done but he was a nothing character, he never said a word.
Anton Sugar
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That sounds like a screenplay problem, dude.
brandonh83
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That's cool as it's your opinion, and I get what you're saying. But you didn't call me stupid, and that's kind of the difference.
Of course but in the context of boring movies with bad characters, cool flips will never be enough for most to give a shit.
Super 8 is Screenplay Problems: The Movie.
PseudoKirby
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I hear XII is good too, but IX is better than VII and VI is better than IX
The Omega Man
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I hope Isaac busts out a guitar at some point and enchant us with some sad folk space ballad.
Spiritreaver
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Do you make this joke in every Final Fantasy thread?
SeventhSon
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Ah ha! A good fight is not a physical altercation. A physical altercation is a side effect of a good fight. Good drama, emotional weight, and character is what makes a good fight. Everything else is garnish.
And then Driver hops on and they both do a novelty record so they can both pay for rent.
Well, one of them will get to, at least.
that black and white read through photo is so fuckin cool. jj wasn't my first choice for director (woulda preferred someone like Cuaron or del Toro), but the hype is established.
can you imagine how excited some of the newcomers must have been at that reading? thrilling stuff for a young actor.
can you imagine how excited some of the newcomers must have been at that reading? thrilling stuff for a young actor.
SeventhSon
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If Von Sydow does VA work, I hope it comes out better than in Skyrim.
It was obvious he did at least two main VA sessions, probably many months apart, so his character ends up sounding like almost two different characters.
It was obvious he did at least two main VA sessions, probably many months apart, so his character ends up sounding like almost two different characters.
SargerusBR
I love Pokken!
I actually liked that whole sequence, even if it was a bit long in the tooth. If anything is holding it back, it's Hayden Christensen's shitty non-acting.
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