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[Spiritreaver]

Agreed. Bringing him back is pandering.

Honestly, I wish he'd survived Phantom Menace to come back better developed in II and III, if only because he's cooler to look at than Greivous and Dooku combined, but he died. At least commit to the decision.

Why couldn't Qui-Gon survive having a hole poked in his tummy if Maul was able to survive literally being cut in half?

So you've watched Clone Wars?

 

[Darkmakaimura]

Thinking about it, I'm pretty stoked to hear Max Von Sydow is cast. He must be the villain as that's what he's known for portraying in movies. He'll be an awesome inclusion.

 

[A-V-B]

Am I the lone crazy person that thought the space battle was the best part?

The space battle, and the last part of Luke and Vader's lightsaber battle, were the good parts of that film.

 

[MattKeil]

He was cut in half and fell hundreds of feet into some kind of shaft or incinerator or something. Not getting up from that one. It also stings that surprisingly brutal moment in a film that is overall very colorful and lighthearted.

So I'm sorry, but fuck that crap.

No, Maul surviving was actually how Grievous should have been done, and indeed was proposed for the character originally. It would have given Grievous some character, would have made the Obi-Wan/Grievous fight a potentially great character moment, and would have given Maul's presence in Episode 1 some purpose. I'm okay with them using the concept in the Clone Wars show instead, and they did a decent job with it, but it was a tremendous wasted opportunity in Episode 3.

Agreed. Bringing him back is pandering.

Honestly, I wish he'd survived Phantom Menace to come back better developed in II and III, if only because he's cooler to look at than Greivous and Dooku combined, but he died. At least commit to the decision.

Why couldn't Qui-Gon survive having a hole poked in his tummy if Maul was able to survive literally being cut in half?

Because the primary draw of the Sith for Anakin is the Sith ability to defy death. It would have been one more reason for Anakin to believe Palpatine was the answer to his problems and fears.

 

[Discotheque]

Andy Serkis!

Yes! Boyega and Oscar Isaac got me hyped too

 

[Warm Machine]

lol, I remember being told that back when I said Ep7 was inevitable.

Good times.

EP VII can happen with Vader and Palpatine dead. All it takes is a pissed off planet or race to build an army. A Sith can be a force sensitive person who makes a bunch of bad choices and desires to find out more about his/her power. The saga is better left to move forward without having to rely on resurrected character tropes.

 

[Scooter155]

What are we talking about...EU here ?

Well in EU (specifically I, Jedi as it breaks down this stuff the most) Force users fight so well with lightsabers because the force guides their hand. Its why obiwan had luke do the blind training. Using their senses (vision, hearing) would slow them down or even just create hesitation because they feel whats about to happen before they perceive it through regular senses.

But a type of precognition? No. And the dancing crap makes no sense because that means that they are not trying to break the flow, which in a battle you would want to. You want to put your opponent on the defensive/break his flow and in those battles how they show who is on the defensive or offensive is who is walking backwards or forwards...nothing in their actual swordplay shows this

Qui-Gon specifically states in Phantom Menace that Jedi have the ability to "see things before they happen" - precognition.

 

[A-V-B]

No, Maul surviving was actually how Grievous should have been done, and indeed was proposed for the character originally. It would have given Grievous some character, would have made the Obi-Wan/Grievous fight a potentially great character moment, and would have given Maul's presence in Episode 1 some purpose. I'm okay with them using the concept in the Clone Wars show instead, and they did a decent job with it, but it was a tremendous wasted opportunity in Episode 3.

That would've been awesome, especially considering how badass Genndy's Clone Wars made him out to be. Poor Darth Maul. He really got the... uh... thing, that rhymes with raft. Boy that would've been a terrible pun.

 

[Stevetopsy]

Pretty stoked for Adam Driver. He's easily the best actor and character on Girls for me and he seems like he could act up a fucking storm if given the chance.

I remember Lena Dunham being bummed or something that Adam was getting mainstream attention and none of the girls from the cast were. Looking back, the arc between Lena and Adam's characters is wierdly similar to real life in how Adam is beginning to blossom professionally, creating distance between the two. Atleast in real life, Lena has a hit show on HBO.

 

[Pro]

Recognized Gleeson as Bill, but had no idea he was the hacker from Dredd. I have some small, small hope he might be the equivalent of Ben Skywalker with the red hair being from Mara, but that's probably unlikely.

One can hope. If they could pay homage to Mara in some way I'd be thrilled. If they could implement nothing else from the EU but Jacen, Jaina, Ben, and Mara then I would be really happy.

 

[A-V-B]

EP VII can happen with Vader and Palpatine dead. All it takes is a pissed off planet or race to build an army. A Sith can be a force sensitive person who makes a bunch of bad choices and desires to find out more about his/her power. The saga is better left to move forward without having to rely on resurrected character tropes.

Yeah, just because the Empire's gone, doesn't mean there isn't the eternal battle between Jedi and Sith. The Force will always bring out both sides of human nature.

 

[Digital-Hero]

Ok, question for the hardcore fans. I'm asking this because I'm at work and I can't put in my Star Wars blu-rays.


Question:
I remember Luke throwing down his lightsaber after telling the Emperor that he would not turn. Did he ever get his lightsaber back? Was it on him when he burnt Vader's remains? If not we may get to see Luke having a new lightsaber.

 

[mcrommert]

Qui-Gon specifically states in Phantom Menace that Jedi have the ability to "see things before they happen" - precognition.

Its a throw away line...also it could be that force sensitive appear to "see things before they happen" but it isn't real precog...never seen any evidence of actual pre cognition in EU or original movies

Also jedi have visions of the future...but this isn't a moment to moment skill

 

[brandonh83]

No, Maul surviving was actually how Grievous should have been done, and indeed was proposed for the character originally. It would have given Grievous some character, would have made the Obi-Wan/Grievous fight a potentially great character moment, and would have given Maul's presence in Episode 1 some purpose. I'm okay with them using the concept in the Clone Wars show instead, and they did a decent job with it, but it was a tremendous wasted opportunity in Episode 3.

...I'll take a new character instead of someone who cut the fuck in half.

 

[Anton Sugar]

Qui-Gon specifically states in Phantom Menace that Jedi have the ability to "see things before they happen" - precognition.

Yeah, isn't that why ol' Annie is such a good pod racer?

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Where did it say he was THE lead? Until we have confirmation otherwise, I'm just assuming it's an ensemble.

Well, the original Star Wars was also an ensemble - but Hamill was basically the lead in that.

Variety's report on Boyega reading for the movie cropped up specified he, along with Jesse Plemons, Ed Speelers, and Ray Fisher (who apparently got Cyborg in Justice League as his consolation prize) were all reading for the lead role.

http://variety.com/2014/film/news/star-wars-4-1201125355/

Boyega got it.

So he's more than likely the lead of Episode VII, meaning it's pretty possible his point-of-view is the one we will be following throughout this trilogy

 

[Woorloog]

Ok, question for the hardcore fans. I'm asking this because I'm at work and I can't put in my Star Wars blu-rays.


Question:
I remember Luke throwing down his lightsaber after telling the Emperor that he would not turn. Did he ever get his lightsaber back? Was it on him when he burnt Vader's remains? If not we may get to see Luke having a new lightsaber.

Not in the film, we didn't see him recovering it, though it might have been on his belt later on.

 

[Andrew.]

The space battle, and the last part of Luke and Vader's lightsaber battle, were the good parts of that film.

Wrong.

Everything about the movie is amazing except when the one Ewok dies.

Jabbas Palace, the battle over Sarlaac, the speederbike chase on Endor, come on...

 

[Spiritreaver]

He was cut in half and fell hundreds of feet into some kind of shaft or incinerator or something. Not getting up from that one. It also stings that surprisingly brutal moment in a film that is overall very colorful and lighthearted.

So I'm sorry, but fuck that crap.

This is taken completely out of context and is a huge spoiler, but here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNmbtaIZHqo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWPPffAmujM

 

[Jarmel]

Well, the original Star Wars was also an ensemble - but Hamill was basically the lead in that.

Variety's report on Boyega reading for the movie cropped up specified he, along with Jesse Plemons, Ed Speelers, and Ray Fisher (who apparently got Cyborg in Justice League as his consolation prize) were all reading for the lead role.

http://variety.com/2014/film/news/star-wars-4-1201125355/

Boyega got it.

So he's more than likely the lead of Episode VII, meaning it's pretty possible his point-of-view is the one we will be following throughout this trilogy

Oh hell yes.

 

[RJT]

Is Attack The Block worth checking out? I remember hearing a bit about it some years ago, but never got around.

YES! Great movie.

 

[A-V-B]

Wrong.

Everything about the movie is amazing except when the one Ewok dies.

Okay, dude.

 

[Enduin]

Ok, question for the hardcore fans. I'm asking this because I'm at work and I can't put in my Star Wars blu-rays.


Question:
I remember Luke throwing down his lightsaber after telling the Emperor that he would not turn. Did he ever get his lightsaber back? Was it on him when he burnt Vader's remains? If not we may get to see Luke having a new lightsaber.

Well the movie takes place 30 years later. Wouldn't seem odd for him to make another lightsaber.

 

[SeventhSon]

Also jedi have visions of the future...but this isn't a moment to moment skill

"Always in motion is the future."

 

[Scooter155]

So you've watched Clone Wars?

No I haven't. I stand by my opinion that bringing a character that was decisively killed back to life instead of introducing a new compelling character is pandering. It's clear that Maul's return was due to popularity, not because it's what they planned from the start - I always (usually) take issue with creators backing down from bold decisions based on the whims of the public.

No, Maul surviving was actually how Grievous should have been done, and indeed was proposed for the character originally. It would have given Grievous some character, would have made the Obi-Wan/Grievous fight a potentially great character moment, and would have given Maul's presence in Episode 1 some purpose. I'm okay with them using the concept in the Clone Wars show instead, and they did a decent job with it, but it was a tremendous wasted opportunity in Episode 3.

Because the primary draw of the Sith for Anakin is the Sith ability to defy death. It would have been one more reason for Anakin to believe Palpatine was the answer to his problems and fears.

I agree, if Maul had been wounded instead of cut in half and dropped down a bottomless pit then having him come back as Grievous would have been awesome, and the fight with Obi Wan would have been really cool instead of a complete waste of time.

EP VII can happen with Vader and Palpatine dead. All it takes is a pissed off planet or race to build an army. A Sith can be a force sensitive person who makes a bunch of bad choices and desires to find out more about his/her power. The saga is better left to move forward without having to rely on resurrected character tropes.

Chills. That's perfect. Leave the past in the past and move on. Have the new force-sensitive person be something new, not a secret Sith who's been in hiding since the PT. The only question is, how do we get a lightsaber into his or her hands?

 

[Discotheque]

I like it. The list confirms I'll watch Attack the Block for the first time today.

One of my favorites in a while.

 

[Digital-Hero]

So he's more than likely the lead of Episode VII, meaning it's pretty possible his point-of-view is the one we will be following throughout this trilogy

I thought the OT was mostly through the droid's eyes? Where have I heard that? It would nice to keep that going if true.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

Serkis coming on is awesome news. But nowhere near as badass as Max Von Sydow joining the cast.

 

[Woorloog]

I wonder if Anakin's lightsaber, the one Luke lost on Besbin, shows up. Like it did in the EU.

 

[Andrew.]

I wonder if Anakin's lightsaber, the one Luke lost on Besbin, shows up. Like it did in the EU.

Bespin.

 

[MattKeil]

...I'll take a new character instead of someone who cut the fuck in half.

I'll take a good story with interesting character development over arbitrary decisions about what is realistic in a story about swordfighting space wizards. The primary focus of the seduction of Anakin was the ability to defy death. If Maul were to be shown to survive what appeared to be a definitive end, that would have been super strong evidence to Anakin that Palpatine was on the level.

Better than dragging in Grievous, who has no backstory, no explanation for his presence, and no character arc whatsoever. Each prequel film jumps to a different, previously unknown character for the role of the villain who directly antagonizes the heroes. This is a role filled by Vader in the original trilogy, and in the prequels it's turned into a damn clown car. Maul being a constant thread through all three (attack dog in 1, secretly recovered and rebuilt in 2, unleashed as a Sith science monstrosity in 3) would have been a much stronger choice.

 

[Exploratory]

It would make me respect everyone involved so much.

Unless that was a joke or you desperately want the series to tank please leave.

 

[JetBlackPanda]

Damn reading responses to the Boyega news on Variety is making me sick.

 

[Woorloog]

Bespin.

I knew i got it wrong. I wrote "Bespin", thought for a second and wrote "Besbin" instead...

 

[curb]

Okay, dude.

In their defense, the part where that one Ewok dies is seriously heartbreaking.

 

[mcrommert]

Not to put on my Star Wars nerd glasses but don't force users have some kind of precognition which lets them react to their opponent's attacks before they happen or something? I mean it's dumb as fuck but if we're talking about magic sword dueling I'm sure the people dueling have magic near-psychic abilities or something.

Okay i'm wrong...looks like some force users actually have precognition in battle...but it only mentions 2 jedi/sith who have it

Its also prequel related EU - but it doesn't explain the battles

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Precognition

 

[brandonh83]

Damn reading responses to the Boyega news is making me sick.

Here? Not really seeing anyone making any sickening comments about it...

 

[A-V-B]

In their defense, the part where that one Ewok dies is seriously heartbreaking.

It is kinda sad, yeah.

 

[DopeyFish]

Yeah, isn't that why ol' Annie is such a good pod racer?

and also how vader tricks luke to go to Cloud City

 

[Andrew.]

In their defense, the part where that one Ewok dies is seriously heartbreaking.

I still skip or fast forward it.

It was heartbreaking to me as a kid to see Chewie get all upset when they couldn't locate and then finally shut Han out of Echo Base as well.

 

[Mononoke]

Devoid of emotion? I disagree completely. This little scene in particular is more emotion-charged that most Lightsaber duels in the OT:

All of that emotion is meaningless, because they never actually established their relationship in the previous films or fleshed it out. The entire time they are at odds. Anakin doesn't even seem to like Obi Wan the majority of the time. Obi Wan only takes on Anakin out of obligation to his previous master.

So by the end this "emotional" fight really means nothing. No amount of shouting and aggressive dialogue about their falling out has any weight. Hell, they didn't even flesh out the characters on an individual level, so Anakin's fall really has no weight or impact at all on any level. So while PHYSICALLY this might convey more emotion than other fight sequences, I disagree that this is the most emotional fight in the series. Not even close.

Unless you are saying the physical aspect of a fight = 100% of the emotion. Just can't agree there. It's what the characters bring to the fight, and the implications of the fight that make it emotional.

 

[rekameohs]

Nah, he will most likely be the Terence Stamp of this new trilogy

God, even though Liam Neeson, Sam Jackson, and Christopher Lee were used horribly in the prequels, this has to be the worst of them all. Terence got shafted so hard.

 

[Voror]

That's my guess. I wonder if they're just going to kill Mara off offscreen and just start with Luke as a widow.

One can hope. If they could pay homage to Mara in some way I'd be thrilled. If they could implement nothing else from the EU but Jacen, Jaina, Ben, and Mara then I would be really happy.

I'd be happy if they did indeed pay homage to her even if she was deceased at the start. It would be great to see that indeed, though I'm not sure on the actual chances. It'd be nice at least given that the Thrawn Trilogy for years was the unofficial next three movies in the eyes of many.

I'd also love if we had Pellaeon on the Imperial side.

I'm ultimately very curious about where the story will end up going. If it'll end up being another case of Jedi vs. Sith ultimately or a combination of factors.

 

[A-V-B]

and also how vader tricks luke to go to Cloud City

I would prefer not to have "precognition wars" or something, though. That just muddies up the story if you use it too much, like, time travel-style.

 

[Salvor.Hardin]

I kind of both hate and love how Star Wars production is publicized. On one hand, they get me all hyped up. On the other hand, the pictures and the meetings seem so forced and inorganic. As if they're programming all the cast and crew meetings in a way that suits marketing executives, rather than in a way that promotes free discussion. Star Wars seems like a noose around their collective neck rather than a project that enables the kind of freedom and spirit that led to Episodes 4 and 5.

 

[Anton Sugar]

I'll take a good story with interesting character development over arbitrary decisions about what is realistic in a story about swordfighting space wizards. The primary focus of the seduction of Anakin was the ability to defy death. If Maul were to be shown to survive what appeared to be a definitive end, that would have been super strong evidence to Anakin that Palpatine was on the level.

Huh. That's actually a great idea.

Such wasted potential, it hurts the head.

 

[MisterArrogant]

Well, the original Star Wars was also an ensemble - but Hamill was basically the lead in that.

Variety's report on Boyega reading for the movie cropped up specified he, along with Jesse Plemons, Ed Speelers, and Ray Fisher (who apparently got Cyborg in Justice League as his consolation prize) were all reading for the lead role.

http://variety.com/2014/film/news/star-wars-4-1201125355/

Boyega got it.

So he's more than likely the lead of Episode VII, meaning it's pretty possible his point-of-view is the one we will be following throughout this trilogy

Hmmm... alright. I haven't seen him in anything so I hope he does well in the lead if this is the case.

But I thought that the original characters were supposed to be the leads in this first film and the supporting characters would come to the forefront in the subsequent films? So I assume he's really being set up for the lead in the next film then?

 

[DopeyFish]

I would prefer not to have "precognition wars" or something, though. That just muddies up the story if you use it too much, like, time travel-style.

I should mention I much prefer the Episode I precog

seconds before it happens is far better than seeing events before they happen

 

[JetBlackPanda]

Here? Not really seeing anyone making any sickening comments about it...

sorry edited my post. It was Variety.

 

[Spiritreaver]

No I haven't. I stand by my opinion that bringing a character that was decisively killed back to life instead of introducing a new compelling character is pandering. It's clear that Maul's return was due to popularity, not because it's what they planned from the start - I always (usually) take issue with creators backing down from bold decisions based on the whims of the public.



I agree, if Maul had been wounded instead of cut in half and dropped down a bottomless pit then having him come back as Grievous would have been awesome, and the fight with Obi Wan would have been really cool instead of a complete waste of time.

My issue isn't with the dislike of Maul being brought back. I accept that reasoning. It's tossing aside an entire series that gives you what you're asking for, for that reason.

Sure, it could've been done better, but everything else you ask for is done in Clone Wars, which is why I asked if you had seen it.