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Star Wars Episode VII Cast Announced
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SargerusBR
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Nope I'm with you.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
To be fair, that type of character is harder to write in when the focus is set on the Jedi Order. In the OT, Luke and co. are the rebels, so a smuggler like Han is a natural fit for that storyline. In the PT, Anakin and co. are the upper class, the elite members of society. Not to say that smugglers didn't exist and couldn't be written in, or that Jackson's character has to be a smuggler to be a badass, but I can see why the idea came about for the OT and not the PT.
If I were to rewrite the PT myself, Windu wouldn't have been a Jedi Master, but a Knight. Qui-gonn was a knight, and he was known for being sort of a maverick and had more opportunities to be written into an "in the field" role. It was putting Jackson in an administrator role that killed his potential. You can't deny that Windu seemed like a badass - everyone respected him, he had an air of authority, he just felt powerful. But we never get to see him do anything outside of ignite his lightsaber and briefly fight Palpatine.
Even without rewriting him out of his Master role, though, he was underused and used incorrectly. Most of his scenes were him talking about Jedi politics and sitting in his council chair. If you go and read his page on Wookiepedia, his character is a perfect fit for Jackson - he's the Jedi to get closest to the dark side without falling to it, he incorporates this into his fighting style, and his fighting style is almost entirely unique to him. Do we see any of this? No.
Hopefully banking on relatively unknown actors will avoid miscasts and wasted potential. It will also give the writers more creative freedom. I have high hopes for this.
Scooter155
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Yeah, I wonder if anyone even really knows the terms Jedi and Sith by this point? By the time of the OT we already had Han not believing in the Force at all, and one of Vader's own subordinates calling him out for his silly devotion to an ancient religion.
It's easy to just say "Sith are capital E Evil and Jedi are good", but it might be interesting to lose the Sith/Jedi distinction altogether and have a more ambiguous force user be the antagonist. The word Sith was never even used in the OT and I certainly don't think it suffered for it.
I know it's EU and a lot of it wasn't handled well at all, but I liked the character of Kyp Duran, and from what I remember, he wasn't explicitly Sith, at any point, just a confused and powerful young person who needed someone like Luke to help him make wise decisions with his power.
The novelization of A New Hope did use the term "Lord of the Sith".
No Jedi nor Sith would be interesting, just some mix of them (that was an early concept for The Force Unleashed game by the way). But since Luke is there, and he has lived in time during with the Sith, i doubt he'd stand for the concept.
Well supposedly the lead is a Jedi apprentice so I'm leaning towards the Jedi Academy stuff being set up.
Messypandas
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I just want Luke to walk into a bar and have the hush *is that that guy?* treatment
Liquidsnake
Banned
Why would they need to be in exile?
If he got that treatment in ROTJ, then he must be widely respected in this movie, he must be a Obi Wan of sorts, only not thought of as a crazy old man. I mean he brought peace and prosperity to the republic.
nvrndr
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A shame really. He did fantastic in that movie, and after that performance my hype meter for this movie is going up up up.
TheKaeptain
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You get it.
Count Dookkake
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Yup.
SargerusBR
I love Pokken!
Scooter155
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Maybe Luke could just see what the Jedi Council was unable to see - that they might do better to sit back and let the Universe choose its own destiny, instead of constantly striving to control it. It could be argued that their meddling in the PT directly led to the creation of the empire and Anakin's downfall. So maybe not exile, but there could be a valid reason given for Luke to voluntarily remove himself from the galaxy's happenings after the events of ROTJ.
Have I mentioned how happy I am to be talking about Star Wars?
Eh, no. Qui-Gon is an example of a Gray Jedi. They're good guys, just don't agree with the Order directly. Sort of heretics but not quite.
Vergere, the ultimate grey.
Black-Wind
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Soooo ... this is the full cast?
I thought they wanted to make it far less of a dick party :/
I thought they wanted to make it far less of a dick party :/
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
This is actually an interesting topic. Is the rule of two still a thing? Palpatine and Vader are both dead, so there's a huge power vacuum to fill and nobody to organize who takes the position. Also, Anakin's role was essentially to eradicate the sith, and he pretty much did just that. I expect that whatever sith or dark side oriented force users we see will be from a newly established order that follows different rules.
Liquidsnake
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Yeah I could see that.
Also this is awesome that we are even having this discussion, I cant tell you how incomplete my life has felt not knowing what happened in the aftermath of ROTJ.
I see.
Charles Foster Kane
Rosebud
Yes, simplicity is key. No more convoluted shit.
Can you PM it to me?
Scooter155
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Gray Jedi is such a silly term, I'm glad that's cut with the rest of the EU...
That's kind of what I mean though, the Council is gone, the Code is gone unless there's a deleted scene where Obi-Wan has Luke memorize a bunch of books about the history of the Jedi that we never saw. The Sith, as far as we know, are completely obliterated.
There are still force sensitive people out there, obviously, but the majority of the universe seems to not really know much about Jedi or Sith. A person would just gradually discover they had some weird abilities and then have to find their way in the world. Some would make decisions that result in people getting hurt, and others wouldn't, and some would do both - like in real life.
I have trouble imagining a reason for new force users to self identify as Sith or Jedi. I guess they could easily find some ancient Sith artifact though.
I suppose it doesn't really matter - we'll definitely have some form of antagonist who uses the force, and, The Force Willing, we'll have a lightsaber battle or two. I'm genuinely curious to see how it plays out.
And excited. Did I mention excited? You guys, Star Wars.
Probably not the whole cast. But main characters. Gotta assume they won't run through the whole trilogy. Idk though.
BFIB
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BAM. Amazing post.
http://www.latimes.com/entertainmen...ridley-20140429,0,4544442.story#axzz30JVz7d2e
http://vimeo.com/63567146 -- Short film Blue Season
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2Bb48NAc34 - She also has a lovely voice (as Carrie Fisher's real daughter would have)
JJ did it again with the casting
Dr Duncan Steel
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Who thinks Luke's gonna eat it in this movie?
Anton Sugar
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Those both sound likely to me...
Didn't it leaked in casting that two of the main characters were Han and Leia's kids? Daisy Ridley is their daughter, and I'm guessing Adam Driver, confirmed villain, is their son. You know for dramatic purposes that only one will be able to use the force, and the other will have to rely on wits and regular combat ability. The one without the force will be more sympathetic, will probably take after Han Solo, and that will be Daisy. Adam Driver will become some sort of Sith with his Skywalker mastery of the force.
But you can't just have Sith using the force, so Daisy will be accompanied by another young protagonist, Jedi John Boyega. Boyega won't die because Abrams is going to kill off one or more of the OT cast instead. Why else would he focus VII on the OT trio when the actors are in their seventies and their storylines are largely concluded? Star Wars needs to do something bold to reestablish itself as the premier blockbluster, so it's going to give at least one old cast member a dramatic sendoff. Mark Hamill is definitely expendable, and it would fit the tradition of killing of a Jedi master at the beginning of every trilogy. An even bigger target is Harrison Ford, who is confirmed to have one of the biggest roles in VII. Harrison Ford has wanted Han Solo to die since Return of the Jedi, and Han Solo's death will have major consequences in a story that trilogy that centers around his family. For that reason, Boyega will survive through episode IX. The main character death quota will be filled already and the trilogy will have a happy ending.
Messypandas
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Exiles are boring. Its like the cool buzzword for the stoic recluse "oooh he's in exile ooooh mysterious". Luke should be a stormchaser on a weather planet when we catch up with him, trying to insert a revolutionary measuring device into hurricanes.
This series loves to re-use tropes. I'd be SHOCKED if old Luke weren't a hermit on Tatooine ala Obi Wan.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
It's pretty cool that this sequel trilogy is going to be John Boyega's story.
I think that's the whole reason they're even on Tattooine.
I think that's the whole reason they're even on Tattooine.
Luke identified himself as a Jedi all the way through ROTJ (also the name lol). So I do expect there to be some sort of Jedi Order even if it's small and limited to like 10 people. As for the Sith stuff, Max von Sydow seems like a Sith master and Driver is going to be the Sith apprentice. I'm not sure where they're going to come from or how though. Maybe that'll be the mystery as to where these guys who are obviously Sith, came from.
Messypandas
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Boyega is clearly Lukes son.
LANDOWNED.
LANDOWNED.
Hopefully there are no Christmas Specials in the works.
Scooter155
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I don't really know why... but I do...
A few pages back someone posted that shot from Empire of Vader and Luke silhouetted against the fog on Bespin with their lightsabers out... and looking at it, I just got this feeling that Luke was going to die.
I would also add that Solo dying would mean no Force Ghost, giving extra weight to his death.
bodyofanamerican
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Is Hamill signed for 3 films, or just the one?
Anton Sugar
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You know. Somehow, you've always known.
Scooter155
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Oh, I know, but there's no "council", there's no "code", there's no other Jedi at all, for that matter. So whatever the Jedi landscape looks like now, it's going to have been built from the ground up by Luke (unless the... what was it again, holocron? makes an appearance), and the (potentially) hundreds of people scattered across the galaxy who haven't ever heard of Jedi, but are sensitive to the force would have a tough road ahead, and it would be interesting to see what happens to them.
Yeah, I'm thinking a different group not particulary Sith anymore but a group with certain agendas or ideas that are not inherently pure evil and the opposite of Jedi.
Max von Sydow could be an old Jedi in exile who didn't agree with the Jedi order of old and forms his own order that has begun to show it's hand and gaining power, maybe even against the will of the leader when the dark side overwhelms his apprentices, they go too far and can only be stopped with the help of Luke an co.
TheKaeptain
Banned
So Luke went black?
Ian McDiarmid is hiding behind the couch.
What I would personally like is for it to be a modified Jedi Order that tries to take into account human emotions, something Luke learned from his father. So it's not as robotic as the old Jedi order.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Sure! Or Boyega might not be Luke's kid, and just his prize apprentice or something. I think it'd be cool if Boyega WAS his kid though, but either way - Dude is the center of a Star Wars trilogy. That's gotta be crazy to digest.
I really wish we'd gotten some sort of plot synopsis, but that's probably asking for quite a bit considering they just had the first read through and haven't even really gotten anyone in front of a camera yet.
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