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Star Wars Episode VII Thread of Opinion and Speculation
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Icefire1424
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Credit where it's due, some serious thought and effort put into this.
My non-serious answer - writers should base the entire plot on a single round of the Star Wars LCG. Would end up with an interesting story of how an Imperial Star Destroyer was single handedly taken down by Yoda who only moments before distracted a rancor using the force (promptly to be destroyed by some random force lightning).
Gozer the Gozerian
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Can we please talk about the important questions, like what color Chewbaccas hair will be? White? Grey? Touch of grey?
smokeandmirrors
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I predict the movie will actually be pretty good, lots of comparisons to the OT and most people and fans will be happy.
Not to mention the whole parallels setting up a subtle theme of "this has already happened" making it familiar to old fans but putting a twist on things.
Having Luke embrace Tattooine given his introduction would also show some growth in character.
I agree that a new threat will bring him out of retirement and serve for his overall arc.. setting up a new way to combat the rising threat, ultimately culminating in his death ala Obi Wan. And like Obi Wan, continuing to help from beyond.
At the same time, I hope they don't get too caught up in trying to "not be bad", like, they could end up with a movie that is good by all accounts but not exactly spectacular or iconic like Star Wars has tended to be.
It would be really awesome if they inject a ton of political intrigue and maneuvring into the film. I want it to explore not just some new conflict, but how the factions of the various planets of the galaxy are positioning themselves.
I would also really enjoy this but all of the OT diehard purists will come out whining about how "buh buh buh simple good vs evil story the politics in the PT were boring ABRAAAAAMS!!!"
Yea, exactly - factions. That would be really interesting to see, although I'm not sure if there should still be such division. It all depends on how the new canon handles the Empire after ROTJ.
smokeandmirrors
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yeah but I feel like the hardest of core of OT purists are going to hate the film anyway, no matter what.
Scooter155
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We may not agree on everything, but you're dead on about Vaderkin's redemption. It was never about any stupid prophecy or "bringing balance" (side note : how did the Jedi think "balance" would be a good thing, when they were living in a world with hundreds or thousands of Jedi and only two Sith? Isn't it obvious in that situation that balance would be a bad thing for the Jedi?) to the Force, it was about a man who succumbed to his own desire for power ultimately being redeemed by the love of his only son, and that's so much more powerful.
Yea not necessarily that we need a bunch of senators, but that it would be nice to see various factions that are sort of together but they don't completely see eye to eye on things. There's a lot of different peoples out there like the hutts and maybe some splinter groups or having to work with unscrupulous folk, etc. On top of this you can stick their representatives/generals/etc all working for their own gains which may or may not be to the benefit of others depending on what's happening. Don't make it like super in your face, just use it to add some dynamics and some twists so its not just good vs evil.
I feel that these are exactly the kinds of issues that would pop up when a great power crumbles. People have to work together against some new common threat, but there is the allure of power for themselves in the wake of the Empire's collapse.
I feel that these are exactly the kinds of issues that would pop up when a great power crumbles. People have to work together against some new common threat, but there is the allure of power for themselves in the wake of the Empire's collapse.
Scooter155
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Full Disclosure : I'm one of the "purists" (not the word I'd use to describe myself but I think I fit the mold you're talking about) who will probably find something to be disappointed by no matter how good the sequels are.
I think political intrigue on a galactic level can be done well and be interesting. I think we can agree that the prequels didn't handle it well.
I, personally, doubt whether that's the approach that would work for Star Wars. One of the things that worked about the OT was that it had a very simple delineation - the Empire is bad, and everyone fighting the Empire is good. It's not realistic, and it doesn't take a lot of things into account (like Luke submitted applications to the Imperial academy, are we to assume that if he'd been accepted that he'd automatically be evil? Isn't it likely there are other good people out there joining the military simply because they need the work? Like a lot of people in real life?), but they commit to it and are consistent and it worked.
The fact that it worked had a lot to do with the writing, the charisma of the cast, and the fact that they didn't try to show us a lot of political intrigue. We got a throwaway line about the senate being dissolved and that was really it.
Separate factions and the political fallout of the battle of Endor are incredibly interesting and have so much potential, but I don't think they should be the focus of the movie. We need a clear threat and a clear underdog to root for. The big if that all of this hinges on is whether or not JJ is going to try and make a trilogy that feels like the OT, or if he's going to try and make a new style of movie that lives in the same universe. Either way could lead to a good movie, but me personally, I want more of the Star Wars I loved as a kid - broad strokes, big themes, heroism - I want a romanticized version of conflict, I want a space opera.
Prof. Bathtub
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Will we finally figure out what the hell is written in the journal of the Whills? We've been waiting 40 years here!
I pretty much agree with everything you've said. It could serve as an interesting backdrop for whatever personal conflict our main characters will face, but it shouldn't be a focus. That was a big problem with the prequels - no clear protagonist (Obi-Wan was close), no underdog for whom to root. A jumbled mess of half-baked ideas.
But I figure the new EU will explore the political fallout after Endor, and we might as well have a New Rebublic set for Episode VII. Still, I like the idea of one of the characters being a political figure who maybe challenges the establishment. That could give Leia something to do.
Digital-Hero
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You guys can rest easy. There is no way 7, 8 and 9 will be worse than the prequels. Seriously think about and watch Episode II to refresh yourselves.
[Edit: Although, Episode 3 is different in my opinion. It barely hit the quality bar and was the best of the prequels. Lucas indeed got better and that is expected when you go from not making movies to making multiple after such a long hiatus.]
[Edit: Although, Episode 3 is different in my opinion. It barely hit the quality bar and was the best of the prequels. Lucas indeed got better and that is expected when you go from not making movies to making multiple after such a long hiatus.]
For me? Well, a good movie, for one thing. After watching the bulk of the director's past projects, I only think he's an "okay" filmmaker. Not bad, nor good. Just "okay". Outside from that, I'm keeping my expectations at a minimum, as I don't want to be upset with how the film might turnout.
As much as I like A New Hope, The Empire Strikes Back, & Return of the Jedi, I had fallen in love with Star Wars when it had gone away from referencing the original trilogy (Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic) or when it's being handled by a different team that are taking their own spin on the mythos (Genndy Tartakovsky's Clone Wars mini series.)
As much as I like A New Hope, The Empire Strikes Back, & Return of the Jedi, I had fallen in love with Star Wars when it had gone away from referencing the original trilogy (Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic) or when it's being handled by a different team that are taking their own spin on the mythos (Genndy Tartakovsky's Clone Wars mini series.)
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Not this again, haha.
Honestly, as much as I hope Boyega is a jedi, I hope Gleeson is also a jedi. Gleeson/Boyega dual protagonist role would be amazing, kind of similar to Obi-wan/Anakin's relationship in the first half of Episode III. Or during the entirety of The Clone Wars cartoon, I guess.
I'm also an advocate for small scale politics. The OT had them to an extent, mostly centered around Empire vs. Rebellion issues. If Kasdan riffs of of that and makes the new trilogy have some New Jedi/Republic vs. Imperial Remnants/Sympathizers, I think it can be interesting.
I fucking hope not. The Rule of Two is like one of the coolest thing about the siths. Only two members of a whole millenia old order, all knowledge and power concentrated in two beings. One master and one apprentice. One to embody power, the other to crave it.
That is like one of the coolest philosophies I have ever read about, I was in awe of it when I read it the first time, and I still am. And it's pretty original afaik. If there were suddenly like dozens of siths that'd be pretty lame. Though now that both are dead I do wonder what will happen.
Please no. In the original trilogy, if a Jedi did something, you felt like they were doing something really great and fantastic. Yoda lifting Luke's X-wing out of the swamp was a hugely impactful moment, and showed the awesome power that he held inside of him.
Prequel trilogy? Everyone was flipping around, throw stuff, jumping off of or onto stuff, basically looking and acting like cartoons. There was nothing impressive about it anymore, because there was no reason to believe that Jedi or Sith couldn't just do anything they wanted. They were video game characters.
Give meaning again to what the Jedi can do. Their expressions of power should be rare, but when they happen, awe-inducing.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
I suppose so. But what's wrong with a little theorizing? There are plenty of ways that this movie can play out, and it's always interesting to see what other fans want to/think will happen. I noticed a lot of people don't want to see OP Jedi, which surprises me. I always thought the crazy flips and force powers were one of the best parts of the PT. Plus, we can always come back to threads like these after a trailer or the movie itself is released and see how close we were to being right. Or how wrong we were.
though it's pretty unlikely.Hoping for at least one of those really broad synopses on Sunday. You know those ones that spend half the time talking about actors rather than plot.
This guy gets it.
wookieofdoom
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This. It seems already so many people have made up their minds that they will be self-fulling their own prophecies.
Liquidsnake
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Luke went through a lot in the first 3 movies. I am sure he has questioned everything.
Its crazy.
J-Roderton
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That sounds cool on it's own.
The new Jedi Academy will be on Tatooine because it is too dangerous to keep it close to corrupt power figures in Coruscant, and because of the Skywalker connection, and because the New Republic wants to stabilize the once Hutt-slave infested region.
The Force will be more mystical and rare like the OT.
C3P0 and R2D2 become the main characters. C3P0 cries after Solo sacrifices himself for the greater good
The Force will be more mystical and rare like the OT.
C3P0 and R2D2 become the main characters. C3P0 cries after Solo sacrifices himself for the greater good
Liquidsnake
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Unless Luke spent the last 30 years training others, I imagine that Jedi's are very few in numbers.
The Silver
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The big flaw with the Rule of Two is that if both Sith die at the same time the entire legacy is over right then and there.
It's unlikely that a new Sith would follow it unless they came across teachings of old Sith Lords who did, but even then the new Sith could decide not to because it "failed" in the end.
demosthenes
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Which is why I hope he's setting up the academy.
Mango Positive
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I could conceivably see all of the new people as Jedi-in-training. Mysterious stuff happens, then towards the end of the movie, we see Mr. Driver taking advice / orders from someone, who when shown, ends up being a red-outlined Palpatine ghost.
Is that so Abrams can reuse the brewery as a set again?
That sounds disappointing if true.
Sydow basically can't be a Sith that is for sure (he would have been like 50 during the era of Palpatine), but he would make a great Ex-Imperial power figure/Industrialist/Grand Moff
Seen in my facebook feed. Anyone know if it's real?
Why would it be? The name is drab and boring, exactly the opposite of real Star Wars names; and it was found on Facebook, the same place where you learn Jeff Goldblum and Bill Cosby died and the moon landing was obviously a hoax.
Perfect Cha0s
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Seen in my facebook feed. Anyone know if it's real?
Really doubt it. Following up Return of the Jedi with Order of the Jedi?
The Silver
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With the EU gone and the revelations from the Clone Wars cartoon there might not be any such thing as actual Sith ghosts now.
Darth Bane showed up as an illusion as part of Yoda's test to become a force ghost himself, he said that Sith do not believe in and reject any sort of afterlife.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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jar jar is the key to all of this
Kuzcotopia
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Does anyone know if this logo is real? Cause it's awesome.
brandonh83
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Forsaken82
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Say what you will about the non lightsaber action, but the Saber duels in the prequel series are a million times better than the dull sword flipping in the original trilogy.
And for the record, the lightsaber duels would be horse shit without the flipping. I would not enjoy this franchise if all the duels were like Obi Wan vs Vader in A New Hope. At the minimum I want Vader vs Luke in Empire, but at the same time, the prequel trilogy (specifically Quigon and Obi wan vs Maul and Obi wan vs Anakin) are some of the most entertaining fights in cinema. (note, when I say entertaining, this doesn't necessarily equate to good/fantastic/whatever)
Also, doesn't your last sentence contradict the entirety of the second paragraph? You complain about the over the top nature during the fight sequences, and then you ask for them to be able to produce that rare but awe inducing moment of power? What is more awe inducing than a well orchestrated ballet of swords? Do you prefer Obi wan standing stil in a sword fight and Yoda straining himself to lift an Xwing out of the bog? None of those moments are "awe inducing" to me.
mattiewheels
And then the LORD David Bowie saith to his Son, Jonny Depp: 'Go, and spread my image amongst the cosmos. For every living thing is in anguish and only the LIGHT shall give them reprieve.'
I just hope JJ kind of reigns it in for this one and isn't still in Star Trek mode. I watched Into Darkness knowing he would do SW next, and it left me with a bad feeling. I can only hope that it'll be okay because he doesn't take the Trek legacy nearly as seriously as SW, that the script was wholly to blame for the disposable action movie tone, and that Kasdan knows exactly where to continue this story.
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